Re: [coldwarcomms] Digest Number 1895
>I dropped a bunch of that paragraph when editing it - sorry - yes, the
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> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:32:23 -0500
> From: CBright10@...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1894
> in re
> "the US does not deploy SAMs to do coverage of the US airspace.
> The ABM treaty with the USSR allowed us to do some, but the US decided
> to shut down the ABM system."
> The SALT treaties were silent on antiaircraft SAMs. They addressed
> only ABM. The US decided to remove the last CONUS SAMs (Hawk and
> Herc) in 1979 in Florida by choice, not international agreement.
issue is separate from the ABM issue, but they were tied together by the
bigger issue of a "standing defense" of CONUS - one side saw it as
and really "traditional" and the other side saw the costs involved as
unsustainable - I can see both sides, but the big decision was to shed
costs, and both SAM and ABM and a little while later airborne alert all
came to an end. So, no SAMS except for tiny point defense capabilities
(which are, frankly, questionable in their effectiveness for all sorts
reasons but better than nothing).
>unlikely - there are no weapons on the roof beyond things
> A few SAMs, however, have been reintroduced since 9/11.
> The White House has a battery on the roof.
that people might carry with them (big hint there) unnamed
USSS sources muttered over dim sum one morning.....
besides, the whitehouse roof has a terrible field of fire - it is
a short building surrounded by taller ones - which is actually
its best defense against aviation suicide attack - so that by
the time you saw something and fired on it, you (and the
target) would already be toast. IF there were SAMs they
would be on one of the taller buildings that are in the area
(the Old Ugly Office Building comes to mind, but that is
just speculation on my part) and also there would be some
located outside of the downtown area, to fire at the target
as it was moving away from the weapons (better IR lock-on
and a less dynamic target picture). The a below mentioned
battery at David Taylor would be such a position.
>I wonder if that is still there - someone should check - reading the
> Another is at a Navy installation in suburban Maryland:
text associated with that shows how little people know about
these things - sad.
>yep - not much range, but for tactical point defense better
> For some events, the Army provides Hummer-mounted SAMs.
than nothing and fast to deploy - although command and
control beyond "holly shit! shoot it shoot it!" can be difficult.
>one of those radars is up at the state department comm annex
> All this is relevant to this list because previous posts (Albert?)
> have pointed out that the Tysons Corner comms tower now holds a dome
> likely covering a radar linked to DC SAM defenses.
on Odel road in Beltsville, most likely - not CSSG, but the other
facility a little farther down the road. sure looks like that kind of
radar, but I have not broken out the spec-an to see for sure....