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  • Julian Allason
    ... I wonder if the insecurity might not have something to do with the lack of continuity in Government. As a Brit I have always been struck on my visits to
    Message 1 of 43 , May 12, 2000
      Mike Jacobs suggested that:

      >The real
      >problem is inherent in our style of government where the political
      >leadership turns over regularly and is run by civilians and not the

      I wonder if the insecurity might not have something to do with the lack
      of continuity in Government. As a Brit I have always been struck on my
      visits to the White House by the degree to which administration is
      conducted by newcomers to government. Virtually everyone I ever met in
      the Clinton White House had got there by working on his campaign.

      Whereas here in the UK the smooth gentlemen (and a few ladies) of the
      Civil Service handle virtually every aspect of government except
      political decision making. The result is that even the type of tea drunk
      by the most junior government minister is a state secret. These Civil
      Service "Mandarins", as they are known, are politically neutral, in
      theory and to a large extent in practice. So much so that the New Labour
      government has had to bring in large numbers of their own political
      advisors. They also fired many of the Civil Service Information Officers
      who acted as Government spokesmen for being too politically neutral in
      their pronouncements.

      So in Britain bugging of Government ministries is most likely to be
      conducted on behalf of the Prime Minister's Cabinet Office to make sure
      everyone is 'on message'. Of course at the European Union HQ in Brussels
      it is accepted that everyone bugs everyone else's phones, the most active
      (but least technically proficient) practitioners being the French. But at
      least everyone knows what everyone else is doing.

    • Craig Scott
      Yeah,  Whistler    modeled after Joe Engrassia....one of the original Phone Phreaks ...and blind ________________________________ From: Charles Fargis
      Message 43 of 43 , Feb 5, 2009
        Yeah,  "Whistler"   modeled after Joe Engrassia....one of the original "Phone Phreaks"...and blind

        From: Charles Fargis <lackey91@...>
        To: coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:33:39 PM
        Subject: RE: [coldwarcomms] Re: any insights? no pun intended

        Loved the blind guy who counted heartbeats in the tunnel.
        Akroyd wasnt bad either.
        I remarked to my wife when we saw "War Games" how most of the people in the
        didnt know there was a building on springs across the street in a big hole
        in the ground.
        Still operational today unlike Garden City which is now condos and such.
        Sniff Sniff

        -----Original Message-----
        From: coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com] On
        Behalf Of Craig Scott
        Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:47 PM
        To: coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Re: any insights? no pun intended

        Great movie w/ Bob Redford: SNEAKERS.....moral of the story:  Too Many

        From: kemartinatsnetnet <kemartin@snet. <mailto:kemartin%40snet.net> net>
        To: coldwarcomms@ <mailto:coldwarcomms%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 2:19:43 PM
        Subject: [coldwarcomms] Re: any insights? no pun intended

        Thank you. Very well put.

        One exception to your comment "In a democratic society".

        This is actually a "republic".

        And one statement. Some things are still better not said.


        --- In coldwarcomms@ <mailto:coldwarcomms%40yahoogroups.com>
        yahoogroups.com, John Young <jya@...> wrote:
        > No question that those with access to classified information
        > are well-trained to not release it. Still, keeping secrets is hard
        > to do when agencies who manage the secrets fairly regularly
        > leak information which helps protect their budgets and careers.
        > How else would the public know what their tax money is used
        > for if now and then there were no dramatic disclosures of how
        > beneficial it is to carefuly manage leaks of secrets and to be
        > sure punish those who are not authorized to stage manage
        > leaks.
        > In a democratic society the conflict between secret keepers
        > and the public will forever be a tussle of mutual suspicion.
        > Whistleblowers serve an important role in this tussle, but
        > more important are the skeptics of secrecy, from the President
        > down to the most ill-informed citizen, all of who are regularly
        > betrayed by those they are induced to trust -- blindly.
        > Anyone who has served in a secretkeeping organization-- mil
        > com, edu, church -- knows well the practice, call it preaching,
        > of revealing what is known to those not authorized to know it,
        > the bragging of what one knows but cannot tell -- though always
        > exaggerated, the hectoring of those with loose lips -- and looser
        > morals, the warnings of treason and threat to the nation,
        > company, family, church, the rigamarole orchestrated as if a
        > buffoonish opera, which insiders are ever reminded, pays quite
        > well to keep outsiders out of the loop.
        > National security is the biggest racket ever, some say it has
        > become a diabolic church of black magic. Stupendously
        > expensive and wasteful of the world's hard-earned capital.
        > Telling the truth about how deeply entrenched it is within
        > democratic nations would indeed be treasonous to it
        > beneficiaries.
        > Best to prate about the virtues of self-censorhip, of patriotism,
        > of holding tongues. Jesus weeps at what is done in the name
        > of security and salvation.
        > Saith a disbeliever.


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