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Re: [coldwarcomms] radar and "special ammo"

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  • Bob Stratton
    Hi Doug, Civilian aircraft don t have transponders on them without cockpit controls for the same reason they don t have flight control surfaces without a yoke
    Message 1 of 3 , Jun 22, 2004
      Hi Doug,

      Civilian aircraft don't have transponders on them without cockpit
      controls for the same reason they don't have flight control surfaces
      without a yoke or joy stick - sometimes the pilot has to manipulate
      them. They're comparatively high-powered pulse transmitters, and tend
      to be cranky. They are one of the few pieces of technology in use
      today that really does require warm-up time. Pilots need to be able to
      set beacon codes into them, and need to be able to power-cycle them
      when, for whatever reason, they act balky.

      For those would would tag all aviators with a "Scarlet A", take heart.
      The newer Mode S transponders (which also piggyback traffic data in
      some of the interrogation packets for display on cockpit systems) have
      an identification number assigned by the FAA programmed into an EPROM
      somewhere that only an avionics technician can reach.

      On another note, could the Special Ammunition Network be for items
      requiring "surety", i.e. National Command Authority?

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: doug humphrey <doug@...>
      Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:38:26 -0400
      Subject: [coldwarcomms] radar and "special ammo"
      To: coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com

      > Message: 1

      > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:55:51 -0700 (PDT)

      > From: Agent Geiger <agentgeiger@...>

      > Subject: Re: 9/11 Aircraft over DC


      > All Naval 'Strips/ Airbases have radars and sensors

      > that can detect and locate aircraft without the use of

      > transponders. The use them for training especially.

      unfortunately, the civilian air traffic control system can

      not make the same claim, and the military has only a

      very limited coverage area with its radars. The military

      does not maintain "general coverage" over the US,

      and in fact even the civilian network can not make that

      claim, although they have much greater coverage than

      the military.

      the big question for me is why civilian aircraft don't have

      a transponder on them that is not controlled from the

      cockpit - yes, I can come up with a bunch of low-order

      operational problems with this, but if we are entering an

      era of positive control for all airborne targets, at least

      those large enough to be good weapons, then the crew

      chief can turn it on from the nose wheel well panel when

      they push back, and off when they park at the destination,

      or you can hook it to the landing gear weight sensors

      (there are several of those already on all airliners) and

      transmit on when you rotate off, and off when you land.

      > 1. Description of Network


      > The Special Ammunition Network is presently utilized by the Office of

      > the

      > Project Manager for Selected Ammunition in everyday control of those

      > items

      > assigned for management. Items of Selected Ammunition are currently

      > in use

      > in Vietnam. Message traffic over the network includes Top

      > Secret/Special

      > Category teletype traffic pertaining to the Selected Ammunition

      > Program,

      > which requires use of off-line encryption equipment. This network

      > requirs

      > immediate communications to exercise coordination, direction and

      > control.

      > One multipoint, half-duplex 60 wpm teletype circuit (GT 11318) with

      > call

      > directing code exists between four stations serving the Project

      > Manager for

      > Selected Ammunition. These stations include Munitions Command, Dover,

      > New

      > Jersey; Army Ammunition Plant, Joliet, Illinois; Army Materiel Command,

      > Washington, D.C. and Jefferson Proving Ground, Madison, Indiana. A

      > diagram

      > of the network is attached.

      Albert, that is a real interesting find. It doesn't sound like a

      nuke related thing, and I doubt there were ever nuclear weapons

      over in Vietnam. Chemical maybe? Does anyone have

      a guess what "Special Ammunition" refers to? Jefferson

      Proving Ground might be a hint too...


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