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  • Mike Cowen
    Albert, Sam, Got a place on your server for this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksre67i76ysjm5z/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986.pdf My account is almost maxed out,
    Message 1 of 30 , Aug 19, 2013
      Albert, Sam,

      Got a place on your server for this?

      https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksre67i76ysjm5z/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986.pdf

      My account is almost maxed out, so I can't keep
      it available too long. Grab it while you can.

      Mike




      At 01:30 PM 8/19/2013, you wrote:
      >
      >
      >There were a number of hacks to d/l from
      >scribd;i haven't tried in awhile and they change
      >often, google "how to d/l(or print)from scribd+2013" for the latest methods.
      >
      >--- In
      ><mailto:coldwarcomms%40yahoogroups.com>coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com,
      >"opscom911" <emrops@...> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > This is a great AUTOVON document.
      > >
      > > Is there a PDF copy anywhere?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In
      > <mailto:coldwarcomms%40yahoogroups.com>coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com,
      > "OZOB99" <ozob99@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > In case this directory hasn't been posted here, it's available online at:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > <http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986>http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In
      > <mailto:coldwarcomms%40yahoogroups.com>coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com,
      > "Blake Bowers" <bbowerslists@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Looking through the Autovon directory for 1986, there is no listing for
      > > > > operator services. There is a listing showing 4 sites called MANUAL
      > > > > ALTERNATE CONTROL CENTERS,
      > > > >
      > > > > Chesterfield, Lamar, Mojave, and Williamstown.
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Could this be what some where calling operator assistance centers?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > They also list 5 "AUTOVON SUBNETWORKS"
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > JCS-ACA at Williamstown
      > > > >
      > > > > MACA at Mounds
      > > > >
      > > > > SAC at Lyons
      > > > >
      > > > > MCDS at Dranesville
      > > > >
      > > > > NACS at CMC (PVAS-WAS)
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > What where these? The majority of stations served by Mounds were Air
      > > > > Force, could that have been Military
      > Airlift Command? It would make sense
      > > > > that SAC at Lyons was Strategic Air Command, JCS Joint Chiefs of Staff?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
      >

      ---------------------------------------------------------------
      Mike Cowen Practice random acts of kindness
      and selfless acts of beauty.
      mcowen@... -Anonymous



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    • OZOB99
      A couple more directories: USSTRATCOM ABNCP
      Message 2 of 30 , Aug 21, 2013
        A couple more directories:

        USSTRATCOM ABNCP

        http://www.hiddenmessagejournal.com/nist/USSTRATCOM_FOIA_11-023_Sept-11-2001_Global_Guardian/FOIA%2011-023%20Response%20pgs%20353-398.pdf


        US SOUTHCOM

        http://ia801701.us.archive.org/10/items/USArmedForcesTelephoneDirectoryPanamaCanal1988/USArmedForcesTelephoneDirectoryPanamaCanal1988.pdf




        --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "OZOB99" <ozob99@...> wrote:
        >
        > In case this directory hasn't been posted here, it's available online at:
        >
        >
        > http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Bowers" <bbowerslists@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Looking through the Autovon directory for 1986, there is no listing for
        > > operator services. There is a listing showing 4 sites called MANUAL
        > > ALTERNATE CONTROL CENTERS,
        > >
        > > Chesterfield, Lamar, Mojave, and Williamstown.
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > Could this be what some where calling operator assistance centers?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > They also list 5 "AUTOVON SUBNETWORKS"
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > JCS-ACA at Williamstown
        > >
        > > MACA at Mounds
        > >
        > > SAC at Lyons
        > >
        > > MCDS at Dranesville
        > >
        > > NACS at CMC (PVAS-WAS)
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > What where these? The majority of stations served by Mounds were Air
        > > Force, could that have been Military Airlift Command? It would make sense
        > > that SAC at Lyons was Strategic Air Command, JCS Joint Chiefs of Staff?
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > >
        >
      • Tim
        ... Circa the mid-1990s, I boarded a 7th ACCS EC-135C airborne command post aircraft on public display during the Offutt AFB Open House. With the modernized
        Message 3 of 30 , Aug 21, 2013
          On 8/21/2013 10:35 AM, OZOB99 wrote:
          >
          > USSTRATCOM ABNCP
          >
          > http://www.hiddenmessagejournal.com/nist/USSTRATCOM_FOIA_11-023_Sept-11-2001_Global_Guardian/FOIA%2011-023%20Response%20pgs%20353-398.pdf

          Circa the mid-1990s, I boarded a 7th ACCS EC-135C airborne command
          post aircraft on public display during the Offutt AFB Open House.
          With the modernized comms gear aboard the EC-135C, it was pretty
          easy to sanitize the aircraft for a public walk thru -- don't cock it
          for SIOP,
          & leave the power off -- no longer a need to manually zeroize the
          analog radio frequency controls, etc. since pretty much everything was now
          CRT/plasma display based.

          In addition, a few poor crew members were aboard the aircraft to
          answer the usual "How many bombs does it carry?" questions
          from the public & ensure no one stole anything not triple-bolted down.

          So imagine my surprise to find that these airborne nuclear war
          operations specialists didn't have the intelligence and/or the
          2 minutes of free time to remove the laminated instructions for using
          the (then) new 'North Star' air/ground telephone system
          that were velcro'ed next to each of the telephone handsets in the
          aircraft, with information including some of the DSN & POTS
          access #s, etc.

          Of course, back then & still *today,* someone monitoring the
          non-secure high frequency radio traffic and UHF MUX circuits
          has access to the same information, despite it being redacted due to its
          sensitivity from the above FOIA'ed document.

          While aboard the EC-135C, I was sure to carefully take a close-up
          photo of one of the North Star info cards. A fellow
          sight-seer about 10' behind me in the Battlestaff section noticed my
          focus (pun intended) on the info card, and I believe he was
          an off-duty crewmember showing his son the plane, because he suddenly
          got a little bellicose while looking at me and
          excitedly tried to tell the uniformed crewmember in that section that I
          was (somehow) doing something wrong. Meanwhile,
          I pretended not to notice & continued to go about my business & then got
          off the aircraft & blended back into the masses.

          I waited about 90 minutes, ditching my camera in my car & buying a
          nice 7th ACCS ballcap to wear, and re-boarded the
          EC-135C. I had an enjoyable time talking to a comms officer (CAPT
          Benevidez), and noticed that thanks to my earlier heroic
          actions, they had pulled the laminated North Star cards off the handsets
          -- hopefully before the local Russian spies had
          gotten aboard.


          In a similar fashion, I've made the argument here before that the
          old Strategic Air Command Emergency Action Console
          that was donated to the Strategic Air & Space Museum (formerly known as
          the SAC Museum, until the flouride-drinking
          pussies on the Board of Directors changed the name) was not properly
          sanitized, in terms of some visible commercial &
          DSN phone #s left on it. If you're familiar with the 939 exchange,
          you'll understand what I mean.

          98% of the people won't have a clue as to the significance, but it's
          that half percent of the other two percent that
          you need to worry about, especially if you like to think of yourself as
          a competent nuclear war-fighting agency.

          Tim
        • Facility 406 DM09
          A fellow sight-seer about 10 behind me in the Battlestaff section noticed my focus (pun intended) on the info card That s the nice thing about the almost
          Message 4 of 30 , Aug 21, 2013
            "A fellow sight-seer about 10' behind me in the Battlestaff section noticed
            my
            focus (pun intended) on the info card"

            That's the nice thing about the almost microscopic HD still image and video
            systems available for a few bucks. Hide it on your person, in a hat, behind
            a button, in glasses, you see it, so does it and nobody else.

            Kurt
          • coloradoredlands
            Is there any chance you would post that pic in the files section? Chris Colorado In a message dated 8/22/2013 03:09:01 Coordinated Universal Time,
            Message 5 of 30 , Aug 21, 2013
              Is there any chance you would post that pic in the files section?

              Chris
              Colorado


              In a message dated 8/22/2013 03:09:01 Coordinated Universal Time,
              polohat@... writes:


              While aboard the EC-135C, I was sure to carefully take a close-up
              photo of one of the North Star info cards.


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            • Tim
              ... It s among many hundreds of C3,I related photos taken by me in the 1980s up until 2002 when I bought a digital camera. If/when I scan it, I would redact
              Message 6 of 30 , Aug 22, 2013
                On 8/22/2013 12:51 AM, coloradoredlands@... wrote:
                >
                > Is there any chance you would post that pic in the files section?
                >

                It's among many hundreds of C3,I related photos taken by me in the 1980s
                up until 2002 when I bought a digital camera. If/when I scan it, I would
                redact the phone #s before posting it.

                > In a message dated 8/22/2013 03:09:01 Coordinated Universal Time,
                > polohat@... <mailto:polohat%40gmail.com> writes:
                >
                > While aboard the EC-135C, I was sure to carefully take a close-up
                > photo of one of the North Star info cards.
                >


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              • ozob99
                Artwork: Feldberg Radio Relay Location On Mount Kolbenberg: http://media.nara.gov/stillpix/330-cfd/1986/DF-SN-86-07114.jpeg
                Message 7 of 30 , Jan 24, 2015
                  Artwork: "Feldberg Radio Relay Location On Mount Kolbenberg:

                  http://media.nara.gov/stillpix/330-cfd/1986/DF-SN-86-07114.jpeg
                • wftroskey
                  COOL DRAWING! I don t know the artist; I ll have to check with the guys on the Feldberg Spokt group to see if anybody there knows more. This was drawn before
                  Message 8 of 30 , Jan 26, 2015
                    COOL DRAWING!

                    I don't know the artist; I'll have to check with the guys on the Feldberg Spokt group to see if anybody there knows more. This was drawn before the blast wall went up, which was built in 1989 or so. I've got photos of the tower from that angle, but this is really neat! Thanks for sharing this, ozob99!


                    Looks like they finally got the DEB up & running by 1985; They were "planning" it in 1981 when I left, but hadn't installed anything yet. The 2 dishes on the lower left side of the tower with the long feedhorns were for the DEB. The flat antenna at the top was the difraction shot to Lindsey Air Station in Weisbaden.



                    The building on the right was the power building where the commercial power cable came into the site & the generators were housed. The building on the left is the "hunting lodge", which was the original building on the site. The buildings housing the TCF & switch were built around this building, on all sides except the side facing the tower. The upstairs was originally where site personnel lived in the '60's; it later housed admin offices. There was a kitchen downstairs where site personnel cooked all their meals; that was also replaced when the dormitory was built at the north end of the site (left of frame in the drawing).








                    Bill Troskey
                    Feldberg 1979-1981







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