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  • wftroskey
    Nope - that one was Army, in the Black Forest in Southern Germany. We were Air Force, & we were in the Taunus Mountains. I don t have GE on this computer,
    Message 1 of 30 , Jul 11, 2013
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      Nope - that one was Army, in the Black Forest in Southern Germany. We were Air Force, & we were in the Taunus Mountains. I don't have GE on this computer, but here's a GM link to our site:

      http://goo.gl/maps/BivhD

      If you follow our access road to the north & then west, then follow "L3024" west/southwest, you will find Grosse Feldberg. (I think I previously posted that we were SE of GF, we were actually ENE - sorry about that.) I think GE historical has 1 or 2 better shots of our site than this one - you really can't see the tower very well (although I like the "2 shadows" effect!).

      There was/is more than one Feldberg. The Deutsche BundesPost (West German phone company) had dibs on the name Feldberg because of Grosse Feldberg, so when we worked with them, we had to refer to ourselves as "Schmitten" (the town on the north side of the mountain). I think the Army site went by Schwartzwald, although we didn't deal with them directly. Kinda like the name "Springfield" here in the US.

      I have great memories of that place, as does Matt, I'm sure.


      Bill



      --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "OZOB99" <ozob99@...> wrote:
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      > This seems to be your site:
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      > http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?http&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/Signal/USAREUR_68thSigBn%201.htm
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      > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "wftroskey" <wftroskey@> wrote:
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      > > That is Grosse (large) Feldberg. It is a German telecom site, located on the mountain by the same name. Our Feldberg was located just ESE of that. We took a tour of GF when I was there; very impressive. The upper structure contains some TV & radio broadcast antennas & is made entirely of wood. Microwave horns are behind the canvas in the middle section. Supposedly it was used as a jamming station during WWII.
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      > > Bill
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      > > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "lasertower" <osr@> wrote:
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      > > > A liitle Googling turned up several "Feldburg" sites.
      > > >
      > > > This one is amazing. Take the time to go through all the images, its massive, and spectacular:
      > > >
      > > > http://en.structurae.de/structures/data/index.cfm?ID=s0012605
      > > >
      > > > Steve
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    • OZOB99
      In case this directory hasn t been posted here, it s available online at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986
      Message 2 of 30 , Aug 18, 2013
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        In case this directory hasn't been posted here, it's available online at:


        http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986





        --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Bowers" <bbowerslists@...> wrote:
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        > Looking through the Autovon directory for 1986, there is no listing for
        > operator services. There is a listing showing 4 sites called MANUAL
        > ALTERNATE CONTROL CENTERS,
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        > Chesterfield, Lamar, Mojave, and Williamstown.
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        > Could this be what some where calling operator assistance centers?
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        > They also list 5 "AUTOVON SUBNETWORKS"
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        > JCS-ACA at Williamstown
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        > MACA at Mounds
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        > SAC at Lyons
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        > MCDS at Dranesville
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        > NACS at CMC (PVAS-WAS)
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        > What where these? The majority of stations served by Mounds were Air
        > Force, could that have been Military Airlift Command? It would make sense
        > that SAC at Lyons was Strategic Air Command, JCS Joint Chiefs of Staff?
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      • opscom911
        This is a great AUTOVON document. Is there a PDF copy anywhere?
        Message 3 of 30 , Aug 19, 2013
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          This is a great AUTOVON document.

          Is there a PDF copy anywhere?




          --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "OZOB99" <ozob99@...> wrote:
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          > In case this directory hasn't been posted here, it's available online at:
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          > http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986
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          > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Bowers" <bbowerslists@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Looking through the Autovon directory for 1986, there is no listing for
          > > operator services. There is a listing showing 4 sites called MANUAL
          > > ALTERNATE CONTROL CENTERS,
          > >
          > > Chesterfield, Lamar, Mojave, and Williamstown.
          > >
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          > >
          > > Could this be what some where calling operator assistance centers?
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          > > They also list 5 "AUTOVON SUBNETWORKS"
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          > > JCS-ACA at Williamstown
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          > > MACA at Mounds
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          > > SAC at Lyons
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          > > MCDS at Dranesville
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          > > NACS at CMC (PVAS-WAS)
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          > >
          > >
          > > What where these? The majority of stations served by Mounds were Air
          > > Force, could that have been Military Airlift Command? It would make sense
          > > that SAC at Lyons was Strategic Air Command, JCS Joint Chiefs of Staff?
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        • OZOB99
          There were a number of hacks to d/l from scribd;i haven t tried in awhile and they change often, google how to d/l(or print)from scribd+2013 for the latest
          Message 4 of 30 , Aug 19, 2013
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            There were a number of hacks to d/l from scribd;i haven't tried in awhile and they change often, google "how to d/l(or print)from scribd+2013" for the latest methods.



            --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "opscom911" <emrops@...> wrote:
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            >
            > This is a great AUTOVON document.
            >
            > Is there a PDF copy anywhere?
            >
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            > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "OZOB99" <ozob99@> wrote:
            > >
            > > In case this directory hasn't been posted here, it's available online at:
            > >
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            > > http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986
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            > > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Bowers" <bbowerslists@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Looking through the Autovon directory for 1986, there is no listing for
            > > > operator services. There is a listing showing 4 sites called MANUAL
            > > > ALTERNATE CONTROL CENTERS,
            > > >
            > > > Chesterfield, Lamar, Mojave, and Williamstown.
            > > >
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            > > >
            > > > Could this be what some where calling operator assistance centers?
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            > > > They also list 5 "AUTOVON SUBNETWORKS"
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            > > > JCS-ACA at Williamstown
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            > > > MACA at Mounds
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            > > > SAC at Lyons
            > > >
            > > > MCDS at Dranesville
            > > >
            > > > NACS at CMC (PVAS-WAS)
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > What where these? The majority of stations served by Mounds were Air
            > > > Force, could that have been Military Airlift Command? It would make sense
            > > > that SAC at Lyons was Strategic Air Command, JCS Joint Chiefs of Staff?
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          • Mike Cowen
            Albert, Sam, Got a place on your server for this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksre67i76ysjm5z/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986.pdf My account is almost maxed out,
            Message 5 of 30 , Aug 19, 2013
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              Albert, Sam,

              Got a place on your server for this?

              https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksre67i76ysjm5z/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986.pdf

              My account is almost maxed out, so I can't keep
              it available too long. Grab it while you can.

              Mike




              At 01:30 PM 8/19/2013, you wrote:
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              >
              >There were a number of hacks to d/l from
              >scribd;i haven't tried in awhile and they change
              >often, google "how to d/l(or print)from scribd+2013" for the latest methods.
              >
              >--- In
              ><mailto:coldwarcomms%40yahoogroups.com>coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com,
              >"opscom911" <emrops@...> wrote:
              > >
              > >
              > > This is a great AUTOVON document.
              > >
              > > Is there a PDF copy anywhere?
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              > > --- In
              > <mailto:coldwarcomms%40yahoogroups.com>coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com,
              > "OZOB99" <ozob99@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > In case this directory hasn't been posted here, it's available online at:
              > > >
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              > <http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986>http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986
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              > > > --- In
              > <mailto:coldwarcomms%40yahoogroups.com>coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com,
              > "Blake Bowers" <bbowerslists@> wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > Looking through the Autovon directory for 1986, there is no listing for
              > > > > operator services. There is a listing showing 4 sites called MANUAL
              > > > > ALTERNATE CONTROL CENTERS,
              > > > >
              > > > > Chesterfield, Lamar, Mojave, and Williamstown.
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > Could this be what some where calling operator assistance centers?
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
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              > > > > They also list 5 "AUTOVON SUBNETWORKS"
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              > > > > JCS-ACA at Williamstown
              > > > >
              > > > > MACA at Mounds
              > > > >
              > > > > SAC at Lyons
              > > > >
              > > > > MCDS at Dranesville
              > > > >
              > > > > NACS at CMC (PVAS-WAS)
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > What where these? The majority of stations served by Mounds were Air
              > > > > Force, could that have been Military
              > Airlift Command? It would make sense
              > > > > that SAC at Lyons was Strategic Air Command, JCS Joint Chiefs of Staff?
              > > > >
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              ---------------------------------------------------------------
              Mike Cowen Practice random acts of kindness
              and selfless acts of beauty.
              mcowen@... -Anonymous



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            • OZOB99
              A couple more directories: USSTRATCOM ABNCP
              Message 6 of 30 , Aug 21, 2013
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                A couple more directories:

                USSTRATCOM ABNCP

                http://www.hiddenmessagejournal.com/nist/USSTRATCOM_FOIA_11-023_Sept-11-2001_Global_Guardian/FOIA%2011-023%20Response%20pgs%20353-398.pdf


                US SOUTHCOM

                http://ia801701.us.archive.org/10/items/USArmedForcesTelephoneDirectoryPanamaCanal1988/USArmedForcesTelephoneDirectoryPanamaCanal1988.pdf




                --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "OZOB99" <ozob99@...> wrote:
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                > In case this directory hasn't been posted here, it's available online at:
                >
                >
                > http://www.scribd.com/doc/154168500/Global-AUTOVON-Directory-1986
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "Blake Bowers" <bbowerslists@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Looking through the Autovon directory for 1986, there is no listing for
                > > operator services. There is a listing showing 4 sites called MANUAL
                > > ALTERNATE CONTROL CENTERS,
                > >
                > > Chesterfield, Lamar, Mojave, and Williamstown.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Could this be what some where calling operator assistance centers?
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > They also list 5 "AUTOVON SUBNETWORKS"
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > JCS-ACA at Williamstown
                > >
                > > MACA at Mounds
                > >
                > > SAC at Lyons
                > >
                > > MCDS at Dranesville
                > >
                > > NACS at CMC (PVAS-WAS)
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > What where these? The majority of stations served by Mounds were Air
                > > Force, could that have been Military Airlift Command? It would make sense
                > > that SAC at Lyons was Strategic Air Command, JCS Joint Chiefs of Staff?
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
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                > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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              • Tim
                ... Circa the mid-1990s, I boarded a 7th ACCS EC-135C airborne command post aircraft on public display during the Offutt AFB Open House. With the modernized
                Message 7 of 30 , Aug 21, 2013
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                  On 8/21/2013 10:35 AM, OZOB99 wrote:
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                  > USSTRATCOM ABNCP
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                  > http://www.hiddenmessagejournal.com/nist/USSTRATCOM_FOIA_11-023_Sept-11-2001_Global_Guardian/FOIA%2011-023%20Response%20pgs%20353-398.pdf

                  Circa the mid-1990s, I boarded a 7th ACCS EC-135C airborne command
                  post aircraft on public display during the Offutt AFB Open House.
                  With the modernized comms gear aboard the EC-135C, it was pretty
                  easy to sanitize the aircraft for a public walk thru -- don't cock it
                  for SIOP,
                  & leave the power off -- no longer a need to manually zeroize the
                  analog radio frequency controls, etc. since pretty much everything was now
                  CRT/plasma display based.

                  In addition, a few poor crew members were aboard the aircraft to
                  answer the usual "How many bombs does it carry?" questions
                  from the public & ensure no one stole anything not triple-bolted down.

                  So imagine my surprise to find that these airborne nuclear war
                  operations specialists didn't have the intelligence and/or the
                  2 minutes of free time to remove the laminated instructions for using
                  the (then) new 'North Star' air/ground telephone system
                  that were velcro'ed next to each of the telephone handsets in the
                  aircraft, with information including some of the DSN & POTS
                  access #s, etc.

                  Of course, back then & still *today,* someone monitoring the
                  non-secure high frequency radio traffic and UHF MUX circuits
                  has access to the same information, despite it being redacted due to its
                  sensitivity from the above FOIA'ed document.

                  While aboard the EC-135C, I was sure to carefully take a close-up
                  photo of one of the North Star info cards. A fellow
                  sight-seer about 10' behind me in the Battlestaff section noticed my
                  focus (pun intended) on the info card, and I believe he was
                  an off-duty crewmember showing his son the plane, because he suddenly
                  got a little bellicose while looking at me and
                  excitedly tried to tell the uniformed crewmember in that section that I
                  was (somehow) doing something wrong. Meanwhile,
                  I pretended not to notice & continued to go about my business & then got
                  off the aircraft & blended back into the masses.

                  I waited about 90 minutes, ditching my camera in my car & buying a
                  nice 7th ACCS ballcap to wear, and re-boarded the
                  EC-135C. I had an enjoyable time talking to a comms officer (CAPT
                  Benevidez), and noticed that thanks to my earlier heroic
                  actions, they had pulled the laminated North Star cards off the handsets
                  -- hopefully before the local Russian spies had
                  gotten aboard.


                  In a similar fashion, I've made the argument here before that the
                  old Strategic Air Command Emergency Action Console
                  that was donated to the Strategic Air & Space Museum (formerly known as
                  the SAC Museum, until the flouride-drinking
                  pussies on the Board of Directors changed the name) was not properly
                  sanitized, in terms of some visible commercial &
                  DSN phone #s left on it. If you're familiar with the 939 exchange,
                  you'll understand what I mean.

                  98% of the people won't have a clue as to the significance, but it's
                  that half percent of the other two percent that
                  you need to worry about, especially if you like to think of yourself as
                  a competent nuclear war-fighting agency.

                  Tim
                • Facility 406 DM09
                  A fellow sight-seer about 10 behind me in the Battlestaff section noticed my focus (pun intended) on the info card That s the nice thing about the almost
                  Message 8 of 30 , Aug 21, 2013
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                    "A fellow sight-seer about 10' behind me in the Battlestaff section noticed
                    my
                    focus (pun intended) on the info card"

                    That's the nice thing about the almost microscopic HD still image and video
                    systems available for a few bucks. Hide it on your person, in a hat, behind
                    a button, in glasses, you see it, so does it and nobody else.

                    Kurt
                  • coloradoredlands
                    Is there any chance you would post that pic in the files section? Chris Colorado In a message dated 8/22/2013 03:09:01 Coordinated Universal Time,
                    Message 9 of 30 , Aug 21, 2013
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                      Is there any chance you would post that pic in the files section?

                      Chris
                      Colorado


                      In a message dated 8/22/2013 03:09:01 Coordinated Universal Time,
                      polohat@... writes:


                      While aboard the EC-135C, I was sure to carefully take a close-up
                      photo of one of the North Star info cards.


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                    • Tim
                      ... It s among many hundreds of C3,I related photos taken by me in the 1980s up until 2002 when I bought a digital camera. If/when I scan it, I would redact
                      Message 10 of 30 , Aug 22, 2013
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                        On 8/22/2013 12:51 AM, coloradoredlands@... wrote:
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                        > Is there any chance you would post that pic in the files section?
                        >

                        It's among many hundreds of C3,I related photos taken by me in the 1980s
                        up until 2002 when I bought a digital camera. If/when I scan it, I would
                        redact the phone #s before posting it.

                        > In a message dated 8/22/2013 03:09:01 Coordinated Universal Time,
                        > polohat@... <mailto:polohat%40gmail.com> writes:
                        >
                        > While aboard the EC-135C, I was sure to carefully take a close-up
                        > photo of one of the North Star info cards.
                        >


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                      • ozob99
                        Artwork: Feldberg Radio Relay Location On Mount Kolbenberg: http://media.nara.gov/stillpix/330-cfd/1986/DF-SN-86-07114.jpeg
                        Message 11 of 30 , Jan 24
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                          Artwork: "Feldberg Radio Relay Location On Mount Kolbenberg:

                          http://media.nara.gov/stillpix/330-cfd/1986/DF-SN-86-07114.jpeg
                        • wftroskey
                          COOL DRAWING! I don t know the artist; I ll have to check with the guys on the Feldberg Spokt group to see if anybody there knows more. This was drawn before
                          Message 12 of 30 , Jan 26
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                            COOL DRAWING!

                            I don't know the artist; I'll have to check with the guys on the Feldberg Spokt group to see if anybody there knows more. This was drawn before the blast wall went up, which was built in 1989 or so. I've got photos of the tower from that angle, but this is really neat! Thanks for sharing this, ozob99!


                            Looks like they finally got the DEB up & running by 1985; They were "planning" it in 1981 when I left, but hadn't installed anything yet. The 2 dishes on the lower left side of the tower with the long feedhorns were for the DEB. The flat antenna at the top was the difraction shot to Lindsey Air Station in Weisbaden.



                            The building on the right was the power building where the commercial power cable came into the site & the generators were housed. The building on the left is the "hunting lodge", which was the original building on the site. The buildings housing the TCF & switch were built around this building, on all sides except the side facing the tower. The upstairs was originally where site personnel lived in the '60's; it later housed admin offices. There was a kitchen downstairs where site personnel cooked all their meals; that was also replaced when the dormitory was built at the north end of the site (left of frame in the drawing).








                            Bill Troskey
                            Feldberg 1979-1981







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