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Re: Periscope in Lasalle Illinois. Is it still in use?

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  • cpe122
    I found it; it wasn t without some effort though! Dav. KE See Routes of AT&T Co. Map No. 6 (January 1970) 41.49919,-90.35279 /cpe
    Message 1 of 31 , May 13, 2013
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      I found it; it wasn't without some effort though!

      Dav. KE
      See Routes of AT&T Co. Map No. 6 (January 1970)
      41.49919,-90.35279

      /cpe
      --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "s82917" <s82917@...> wrote:
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      > Some years back I found some old site plan drawings for the K sites between Wyanet and the Quad cities. Matching the drawings with existing roads I was able to find the Wyanet K1W hut near Mineral, 41-23-48 / 89-50-03, and the Wyanet K2W hut near Geneseo, 41-27-30 / 90-06-18, but I didn't find the K hut near Colona (AKA Green River). If anyone finds the Colona hut please post it's location.
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      > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, tdfox@ wrote:
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      > > cpe, et al --------- good evening. Going east from Ottawa there is a K-hut located about 5 miles west of Morris on US 6, north side of the road. It now has a late model fiber repeater also located on the property. I photdocumented this site for Albert and it is in his excellent Long Lines site. http://long-lines.net/places-routes/MorrisIL-K/index.html The next in line was in Minooka and then a major manned station in Joliet (I think it was in the Joliet Main C.O.) From there I have no specific knowledge. Going west from Ottawa there was the LaSalle site you "bingd" and one further west about 3 miles east of Interstate 180 in the area north of Bureau. Then further west was the Wyanet manned station where the spur south to Peoria and St Louis split off as the main route continued west to the Quad Cities with a hut in Mineral, another manned station in Geneseo, and another hut in the Green River area. Another of our members (first name "Al") has prepared an exhaustive list of the the K routes and locations. Sadly his list was lost in a recent hard drive "experience". There was another major route that went south from Chicago, thru Crete, Watseka, and to Danville where I guess it split east into Indiana.
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      > > May 12, 2013 10:16:33 PM, coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com wrote:
      > > > ; --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, tdfox@ wrote:
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      > > >> Ryan, OZOB, et al----------- good evening.
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      > > >> Being native to that area I can provide some details about the tower in question. What you are describing is the roof mounted tower on the LaSalle, IL Central Office for the LEC ---- Illinois Bell (then Ameritech, SBC, and now AT&T) serving LaSalle and Peru, Illinois and their surrounding rural areas.
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      > > >www.co-buildings.com/il/815/la_salle.JPG
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      > > >> Never was a LL location, although there was a LL "K Hut" about 3 miles north of the C.O. The office also served as a Toll Center (and later a Toll Point with no operators) for numerous surrounding exchanges during the days of hierarchical switching. It was connected to the world over the years by the Chicago-Omaha A&B cable route (quaded cable carrying initially voice circuits, then on to K and finally N carrier),
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      > > >Route map 6 show a cable from the CO to the K hut (Ottawa KW) built on the old VF route. I am wonder if anyone knows whether this tie cable was VF only or whether it carried K circuits into a carrier terminal in the CO?
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      > > >a heavy buried N Carrier route to Ottawa and on to Norway Regional, and an Illinois Bell owned and operated microwave route that extended east to a repeater (also using reflectors with low mounted dishes) located north of Ottawa near Interstate 80 and then on to Norway. In later years the radio and copper routes were supplanted by early fiber. And by that time the hierarchical switching format had be retired in favor of newer technologies.
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      > > >> Hard to imagine the local demographic needing all of the circuit capacity that would have been available out of the numerous routes in place. There were some meaningful factories in the area among which was Westclox (famous for the Big Ben alarm clockes of our youth) but also significantly invested in manufacture of "fuses" for the military during the days of WW-II, Korea, and Viet Nam. But for even them there would seem to be lots more capacity than would have reasonably been needed in the 60s and 70s.
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      > > >> The Ottawa repeater was removed in the late 80s
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      > > >Things still show up in Bing pretty good
      > > >Ottawa KW: http://binged.it/13rNafT
      > > >Ottawa VF: http://binged.it/13rNJGL
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      > > >Do you know the route/where the huts were east of Ottawa K1E in towards Chicago?
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      > > >/cpe
      > > >and the LaSalle roof mount tower was RIP'd and stilll forlornly stands there as testament to technologies past. Hard telling what all is in the LaSalle office in addition to the local switching now....................
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      > > >> May 11, 2013 06:34:59 PM, coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com wrote:
      > > >> > ; It was not a LL location before divestiture, but appears to have been after 1984, into 1990's; I dont know about today.
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      > > >> >--- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "ryanbytes"
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      > > >> >> On our honeymoon my very indulgent wife quickly made a detour when I saw the tower with reflector in the distance. It was perched on top of a CO that looked like it was still in use by AT&T. To my eye everything on the tower looked clean so I got the impression that the antenna might have been in service. It's just an insane guess though. I did as much research as I could and on one of the tower search sites the owner was Illinois Bell. On the FCC databases I know of there's nothing listed for it at all, past or present.
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      > > >> >> Can anyone shed light on the history and disposition? I uploaded a couple pictures to the photos section.
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    • OZOB99
      I recall Grant Park on an order wire layout;major stations on K/L routes communicated back in the day via Express Order Circuits; the circuit was XOC-n New
      Message 31 of 31 , May 16, 2013
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        I recall Grant Park on an order wire layout;major stations on K/L routes communicated back in the day via Express Order Circuits; the circuit was XOC-n New York(or Washington)-VP(various points) with West Unity & Grant Park, Toledo,etc; these were two tone dial signaling with 2 or 3 digit codes. There was a Super Express Order Circuit (SXOC) on some of these routes with drops in the major cities.

        Radio routes had a similar order wire; ROC between mains,terminals & repeaters; XROC between major terminals & junctions; signaling was reed sequential or voice calling during maintenance with speakers activated.

        A Cold War anecdote: when working on a Kates Mt route(The Greenbrier)you did't call "Kates Mt" like other named stations, you called the tech's name so others on the circuit wouldn't know what was going on or where.I'd bet similar procedures when working on feeds to Mt Weather. In the early days Wash 4 had the C1 alarm & ROC to it's associated stations only for security(normally a C1 center had 10 or more stations on several routes & each one could hear any dialog).




        --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "s82917" <s82917@...> wrote:
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        > I just posted a photo of the Grant Park L-carrier repeater building in a folder labeled AT&T Grant Park, IL. The building is located across the street, on the north side, of the access road for the microwave facility. The repeater building predates the construction of the microwave site by many years, and I would guess that, when the microwave tower and building were constructed, the L-1 facility was re-routed out of the L-1 hut and into the new building, and the hut was abandoned at that time.
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        > I also posted a photo of the two microwave towers taken in 1971. You can see an octagonal passive reflector near the top of the left tower, that reflector was a part of the Chicago-Milwaukee NIKE ring microwave system, the reflector was aimed at Kouts, IN. Farther down, on the backside of the tower you can just make out a similar octagonal reflector aimed at Manteno, IL.
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        > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "rjfrank1@" <rjfrank1@> wrote:
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        > > > Crete and Crete KS are both still missing. I'm thinking the K hut is/was in or around Grant Park village some place.
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        > > I may have found Crete this evening. The facility is currently an active site and is architecturally very similiar to Ottawa. Also, I believe I have located the L1 hut deployed between Crete and Grant Park. No such luck for Crete KS.
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        > > Crete/CRETILCM; 456 W Exchange Street/41_26_40.25" N, 87_37_46.55" W
        > > L1 Auxiliary Repeater (Beecher): 41_20_26.01" N, 87_36_59.01 W
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        > > Cheers, RJFrank
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        > > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "cpe122" <cpe122@> wrote:
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        > > > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "s82917" <s82917@> wrote:
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        > > > > The map shown at the link posted below indicates that there was a K hut on the grounds of the Grant Park microwave site, the spot that is pinned looks like it's at the north edge of the main building. I know that there is a L carrier concrete block building across the road from Grant Park, was the K building where the microwave building now stands? If so, was that determined through a property records search?
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        > > > Hover or click on the pin; you'll see it's L carrier (If you click on a pin, a "balloon" will appear; the few that we have found photos for are linked in the balloon "title". See Danville KN as an example). Bing still shows the L hut, but it's gone in Google.
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        > > > Crete and Crete KS are both still missing. I'm thinking the K hut is/was in or around Grant Park village some place.
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        > > > > BTW, I have photos of the L carrier building which I can post if someone hasn't already done so.
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        > > > That'd be great. I think there is a 'L huts' folder in the Photos section--would love to see them posted--especially now that it's gone and can't be visited!
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        > > > /cpe
        > > > http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/display/1368644468-22984-70.16.72.20.html
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