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  • Lou Novacheck
    All it depends on is who you are and who your friends are. To wit: *20121110-When a C.I.A. Director Had Scores of Affairs* By STEPHEN
    Message 1 of 23 , Nov 14, 2012
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      All it depends on is who you are and who your friends are. To wit:

      *20121110-When a C.I.A. Director Had Scores of Affairs*

      By STEPHEN KINZER<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/stephen_kinzer/index.html>

      http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/opinion/when-a-cia-director-had-scores-of-affairs.html



      WALKING through the lobby of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters
      in Langley, Va., after handing in his resignation on Friday, David H.
      Petraeus passed a bas-relief sculpture of Allen
      Dulles<https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/allen-dulles-becomes-dci.html>,
      who led the agency in the 1950s and early �60s. Below it is the motto, �His
      Monument Is Around Us.�

      Both men ran the C.I.A. during some of its most active years, Dulles during
      the early cold war and Mr. Petraeus during the era of drone strikes and
      counterinsurgency operations. And both, it turns out, had high-profile
      extramarital affairs.

      But private life for a C.I.A. director today is apparently quite different
      from what it was in the Dulles era. Mr. Petraeus resigned after admitting
      to a single affair; Allen Dulles had, as his sister, Eleanor, wrote later,
      �at least a hundred.�

      Indeed, the contrast between Dulles�s story and that of Mr. Petraeus
      reflects how fully the life of public servants has changed in the United
      States.

      Dulles ran the agency from 1953 to 1961, and he had a profound effect on
      the America�s role in the cold war. Together with his brother, Secretary of
      State John Foster
      Dulles<http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0225.html>,
      he exercised enormous power and helped overthrow governments from Iran to
      Guatemala to Congo.

      He was also a serial adulterer. Dulles was married in 1920, but he and his
      wife, Clover, had a difficult home life. She was sensitive and introverted,
      while he was handsome and charming � and a skilled seducer.

      His affairs were legendary. The writer Rebecca
      West<http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/09/10/specials/west-obit.html>,
      asked once whether she had been one of his girlfriends, famously replied,
      �Alas, no, but I wish I had been.�

      For most of the 1920 and �30s, Dulles worked with his brother at the Wall
      Street law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell. He often took extended foreign
      trips, and the letters he wrote home to Clover were full of references to
      other women that could at best be read as insensitive, at worst as taunting.

      In one he wrote of a night out with �an attractive (not beautiful)
      Irish-French female whom I took to Scheherazade, where we stayed until the
      early hours.� In another, the subject was a �rather good-looking� English
      woman with whom he �danced and drank champagne until quite late.�

      Other women he reported meeting included �a charming widow,� �a most
      pleasant companion,� �a young English damsel,� �a very delightful person�
      and �a sensible soul, also by no means ugly.�

      After one Atlantic crossing he proudly wrote to Clover that �on the whole I
      have kept rather free from any entanglements, and in particular there have
      been no ladies on board with whom I have particularly consorted.�

      As if to pour salt in her emotional wounds, Dulles wrote in another letter
      that he didn�t �deserve as good a wife as I have, as I am rather too fond
      of the company of other ladies.�

      During World War II, Dulles ran American espionage operations in neutral
      Switzerland. Soon after arriving in Bern, he found a mistress, Mary
      Bancroft, a dynamic woman of the world who had grown up on Beacon Hill in
      Boston under the wing of her doting step-grandfather, C. W. Barron,
      publisher of The Wall Street Journal.

      Dulles hired Bancroft to write political analysis, but there was little
      doubt where his interest lay.

      �We can let the work cover the romance, and the romance cover the work,� he
      told her as they began their affair.

      By her own account, Bancroft developed �overwhelming admiration for his
      abilities� and fell �completely in love� with him. Later Dulles introduced
      her to his wife. Somehow, they became close friends. �I can see how much
      you and Allen care for one another, and I approve,� the wife told the
      mistress.

      Dulles was 60 years old when he took over the C.I.A., and had slowed down a
      bit. Nonetheless, he was rumored to have become familiar with one of the
      highest-profile women of the era, Clare Booth
      Luce<http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0310.html>,
      the wife of Henry R.
      Luce<http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/0403.html>,
      the publisher of Time and Life (who in turn was said to be keeping company
      with Mary Bancroft).

      Another of Dulles�s conquests, according to several accounts, was Queen
      Frederika of Greece<http://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/07/obituaries/frederika-greek-queen-mother-in-madrid-hospital-as-an-exile.html>.
      In 1958 she came to the United States on a tour with her son, the future
      King Constantine II, and just as her trip was about to end, she announced
      without explanation that she would stay for another week.

      She came to Washington, discussed �spiritual values� with President Dwight
      D. Eisenhower in the Oval Office and then visited Dulles at C.I.A.
      headquarters.

      They had been alone in his office for nearly an hour when an aide knocked.
      Hearing no response, he entered. He found the office empty, but heard
      noises from the adjoining dressing room. Later Dulles and the queen emerged.

      As she was being driven back to the Greek Embassy, the queen suggested one
      reason Greek-American relations were so strong. �We just love that man!�
      she exclaimed.

      Dulles�s behavior was well known in Washington and elsewhere, but never
      publicly reported. By the journalistic codes of the 1950s, it was not
      newsworthy.

      The same code applied to Dulles�s superiors. Presidents Eisenhower and John
      F. Kennedy entrusted the security of the United States to him. What Dulles
      did in his private life, even when it intersected with his public role, was
      considered none of their business.

      Allen Dulles, who died in 1969, may have been, as one biographer claimed,
      �the greatest intelligence officer who ever lived.� Yet by today�s
      standards, this master spy would not have been allowed even to join the
      C.I.A., much less lead it.

      Stephen Kinzer <http://www.stephenkinzer.com/>, a former
      correspondent<http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/k/stephen_kinzer/index.html>
      for
      The New York Times, is the author of the forthcoming book �The Brothers:
      John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War.�

      On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:45 AM, james kester <radioconstco@...>wrote:

      > **
      >
      >
      > Truth or consequences, I say.....
      >
      > ----- Forwarded Message -----
      > From: james kester <radioconstco@...>
      > To: "coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com" <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Monday, September 3, 2012 12:35 PM
      > Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Affairs and Security Clearances
      >
      >
      > They're not interested in the subject matter as much, however they would
      > like to know if the subject can comply with the 9th commandment.
      > Which pretty much defines most everything else in the battery of questions
      > regarding a current operative, shield, or candidate.
      >
      > ________________________________
      > From: Sheldon Daitch <sheldondaitch@...>
      > To: coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 7:29 AM
      > Subject: [coldwarcomms] Affairs and Security Clearances
      >
      >
      >
      > My somewhat anecdotal understanding of security clearances and affairs
      > isn't that
      > the affair itself is the cause of rejection (unless perhaps the affair was
      > with the
      > investigator's spouse!), but how the affair was discovered by the
      > investigating agency.
      >
      > If the applicant is up front with the investigators in regards to an
      > affair, the details
      > will be noted and even perhaps the other party to the affair may be
      > interviewed as to
      > the security risk of the individual. On the other hand, if the affair is
      > not disclosed as
      > part of the security clearance application and interview process, but is
      > discovered
      > later by the investigators, then ther are concerns about other aspects
      > which aren't
      > being disclosed.
      >
      > Those with security clearances aren't all saints, and one of the criteria
      > used in
      > deciding on security clearances is things which could be used to
      > compromise the
      > holder of a security clearance.
      >
      > 73
      > Sheldon
      > --- On Sun, 9/2/12, Jason Bourne <quiet_cool1986@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      >
      > Thanks Mike! Over the years I've met people who claim to have worked in
      > these places, and they said they did alot of correspondence courses and a
      > very involved background check. One person even told me that he was
      > rejected for a security clearance because he'd had an extra-marital affair!
      >
      >
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      >



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      everyone else.
      ~ Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information
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