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  • ozob99@yahoo.com
    Since we re into emergency comm restoration in disasters during the cold war and up to the present....what about emergency power for comms(& eveything else
    Message 1 of 10 , Apr 28 7:46 PM
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      Since we're into emergency comm restoration in "disasters" during the
      cold war and up to the present....what about emergency power for
      comms(& eveything else essential) during that period & now?...aside
      from the obvious transportable gas turbine & diesel units, did/does
      FEMA,the Navy, or any other agency have a plan to use
      Navy/USCG/Military Sea Transport ships for restoring power to
      coastline cities like these destroyer escorts did in WW2 & Korea?...
      as shown on these pages:

      http://www.de220.com/Conversions/TEG.htm
      http://www.sunwest-emb.com/wiseman/misc-1.htm
    • albertjlafrance@cs.com
      Fascinating - I had never heard of those DEs converted to power-supply ships. The matter of emergency power in case of a widespread disaster like nuclear war
      Message 2 of 10 , Apr 28 8:36 PM
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        Fascinating - I had never heard of those DEs converted to power-supply ships.

        The matter of emergency power in case of a widespread disaster like nuclear
        war is definitely important, and also difficult to deal with. Especially so
        in what I'd call the "intermediate" time frame - after the acute phase of the
        disaster (rescuing trapped survivors, aiding the injured, etc.), but before
        the normal civil infrastructure is restored.

        In the time immediately after the disaster occurs, the only activity in the
        affected areas would be emergency teams self-sufficient in all their needs,
        including power. But later, when the broader task of rebuilding begins,
        power requirements would be much greater, and the users (e.g. construction
        contractors, municipal work crews) would probably not have their own power
        generation capability. That's similar to the situation in Manila, described
        on the web sites, where the USS Wiseman served.

        The bottom line is: I don't know what plans are in place to provide emergency
        generating capacity. The idea of a power-supply ship seems as viable today
        as it was in WWII; it would be interesting to see if any of these exist, or
        if there are standing plans to make the conversions.

        Of course, there are truck/trailer-mounted generators in rental fleets around
        the country, but I doubt that many are in protected locations; in fact, most
        are probably stored near urban areas where the greatest demand is.

        Albert

        In a message dated 4/28/2001 10:47:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
        ozob99@... writes:

        > Since we're into emergency comm restoration in "disasters" during the
        > cold war and up to the present....what about emergency power for
        > comms(& eveything else essential) during that period & now?...aside
        > from the obvious transportable gas turbine & diesel units, did/does
        > FEMA,the Navy, or any other agency have a plan to use
        > Navy/USCG/Military Sea Transport ships for restoring power to
        > coastline cities like these destroyer escorts did in WW2 & Korea?...
        > as shown on these pages:
        >
        > http://www.de220.com/Conversions/TEG.htm
        > http://www.sunwest-emb.com/wiseman/misc-1.htm
      • William Barnes
        I m operating from memory here, and I don t remember ANY details, but I recall a news story that reported a sub provided power to some part of Hawaii after a
        Message 3 of 10 , Apr 28 9:02 PM
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          I'm operating from memory here, and I don't remember ANY details, but I
          recall a news story that reported a sub provided power to some part of
          Hawaii after a typhoon. Probably in the 70's or 80's.

          Now I have to start digging to find out!

          Lurk mode back on.

          Bill
        • ozob99@yahoo.com
          ... power-supply ships. ... nuclear ... Especially so ... phase of the ... before ... in the ... needs, ... begins, ... construction ... own power ...
          Message 4 of 10 , Apr 29 11:35 AM
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            --- In coldwarcomms@y..., albertjlafrance@c... wrote:
            > Fascinating - I had never heard of those DEs converted to
            power-supply ships.
            >
            > The matter of emergency power in case of a widespread disaster like
            nuclear
            > war is definitely important, and also difficult to deal with.
            Especially so
            > in what I'd call the "intermediate" time frame - after the acute
            phase of the
            > disaster (rescuing trapped survivors, aiding the injured, etc.), but
            before
            > the normal civil infrastructure is restored.
            >
            > In the time immediately after the disaster occurs, the only activity
            in the
            > affected areas would be emergency teams self-sufficient in all their
            needs,
            > including power. But later, when the broader task of rebuilding
            begins,
            > power requirements would be much greater, and the users (e.g.
            construction
            > contractors, municipal work crews) would probably not have their
            own power
            > generation capability. That's similar to the situation in Manila,
            described
            > on the web sites, where the USS Wiseman served.
            >
            > The bottom line is: I don't know what plans are in place to provide
            emergency
            > generating capacity. The idea of a power-supply ship seems as
            viable today
            > as it was in WWII; it would be interesting to see if any of these
            exist, or
            > if there are standing plans to make the conversions.
            >
            > Of course, there are truck/trailer-mounted generators in rental
            fleets around
            > the country, but I doubt that many are in protected locations; in
            fact, most
            > are probably stored near urban areas where the greatest demand is.
            >
            > Albert

            I stongly suspect there are some ships with that capability,or easily
            converted thereto....but i cant find any contemporary references to
            the matter,and see no reason why it would be a "black" program??..lets
            hope the capability is there if ever needed.



            >
            > In a message dated 4/28/2001 10:47:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
            > ozob99@y... writes:
            >
            > > Since we're into emergency comm restoration in "disasters" during
            the
            > > cold war and up to the present....what about emergency power for
            > > comms(& eveything else essential) during that period &
            now?...aside
            > > from the obvious transportable gas turbine & diesel units,
            did/does
            > > FEMA,the Navy, or any other agency have a plan to use
            > > Navy/USCG/Military Sea Transport ships for restoring power to
            > > coastline cities like these destroyer escorts did in WW2 &
            Korea?...
            > > as shown on these pages:
            > >
            > > http://www.de220.com/Conversions/TEG.htm
            > > http://www.sunwest-emb.com/wiseman/misc-1.htm
          • art maples
            It seems to me that about 2 years ago there was a news story about a city having serious electric problems and that they had to draw power from a ship berthed
            Message 5 of 10 , Apr 29 6:45 PM
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              It seems to me that about 2 years ago there was a news story about a
              city having serious electric problems and that they had to draw power
              from a ship berthed in their harbor. For some reason I'm thinking it was
              in New Zealand, but my memory is quite suspect.

              Art
              www.duotone.com

              As an aside, I was in Newport News photographing the old N.S Savannah
              this winter. She is anchored in the James River with the "Sturgis" which
              was an old WWII Liberty ship that the Army converted into a floating
              nuclear power plant. (She provided power to the Panama Canal grid for a
              number of years). Anyway there was a fair amount of joking that they
              should scrape the rust off of her and send her out to California to help
              them out with their power power problems. You can find some info on the
              Army's "prime-power battalion at
              http://www.wood.army.mil/ENGRMAG/PB5003/Potter.htm
            • ozob99@yahoo.com
              ... power ... was ... Savannah ... which ... for a ... help ... the ... Thanks for the very timely page...so we do have marine nuclear power capability...i
              Message 6 of 10 , Apr 29 7:15 PM
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                --- In coldwarcomms@y..., art maples <art@d...> wrote:
                > It seems to me that about 2 years ago there was a news story about a
                > city having serious electric problems and that they had to draw
                power
                > from a ship berthed in their harbor. For some reason I'm thinking it
                was
                > in New Zealand, but my memory is quite suspect.
                >
                > Art
                > www.duotone.com
                >
                > As an aside, I was in Newport News photographing the old N.S
                Savannah
                > this winter. She is anchored in the James River with the "Sturgis"
                which
                > was an old WWII Liberty ship that the Army converted into a floating
                > nuclear power plant. (She provided power to the Panama Canal grid
                for a
                > number of years). Anyway there was a fair amount of joking that they
                > should scrape the rust off of her and send her out to California to
                help
                > them out with their power power problems. You can find some info on
                the
                > Army's "prime-power battalion at
                > http://www.wood.army.mil/ENGRMAG/PB5003/Potter.htm

                Thanks for the very timely page...so we do have marine nuclear
                power capability...i suspected this but not on such a large
                scale...interesting that dozens of searches on emergency power;power
                generation on ships,etc did'nt turn up that page....a familiar
                scenario....seems there is considerable info buried in the WWW not
                readily retrievable.
              • Matthew Sadler
                Somewhat along these lines, railroads have been known to use diesel locomotives to supply their shop complexes with power in emergencies, and MRL (Montana Rail
                Message 7 of 10 , Apr 29 7:22 PM
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                  Somewhat along these lines, railroads have been known to use diesel
                  locomotives to supply their shop complexes with power in emergencies, and
                  MRL (Montana Rail Link) has begun planning to use some 160 idled locomotives
                  to produce electricity to sell on the open market, which they claim they can
                  do cheaper than current western sources.

                  For information, a model SD40-2 locomotive (very common, produced in the
                  mid-70s to mid-80s) produces 1500 amperes at 600 volts DC at full throttle.

                  --mws

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <ozob99@...>
                  To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:46 PM
                  Subject: [coldwarcomms] Emergency Power from Ships


                  > Since we're into emergency comm restoration in "disasters" during the
                  > cold war and up to the present....what about emergency power for
                  > comms(& eveything else essential) during that period & now?...aside
                  > from the obvious transportable gas turbine & diesel units, did/does
                  > FEMA,the Navy, or any other agency have a plan to use
                  > Navy/USCG/Military Sea Transport ships for restoring power to
                  > coastline cities like these destroyer escorts did in WW2 & Korea?...
                  > as shown on these pages:
                  >
                  > http://www.de220.com/Conversions/TEG.htm
                  > http://www.sunwest-emb.com/wiseman/misc-1.htm
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                  >
                  >
                • ozob99@yahoo.com
                  ... emergencies, and ... locomotives ... they can ... the ... throttle. ... Thats good info..thanks..i m sure its a resource that would be tapped. ... the ...
                  Message 8 of 10 , Apr 29 7:37 PM
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                    --- In coldwarcomms@y..., "Matthew Sadler" <mws@k...> wrote:
                    > Somewhat along these lines, railroads have been known to use diesel
                    > locomotives to supply their shop complexes with power in
                    emergencies, and
                    > MRL (Montana Rail Link) has begun planning to use some 160 idled
                    locomotives
                    > to produce electricity to sell on the open market, which they claim
                    they can
                    > do cheaper than current western sources.
                    >
                    > For information, a model SD40-2 locomotive (very common, produced in
                    the
                    > mid-70s to mid-80s) produces 1500 amperes at 600 volts DC at full
                    throttle.
                    >
                    > --mws

                    Thats good info..thanks..i'm sure its a resource that would be tapped.
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: <ozob99@y...>
                    > To: <coldwarcomms@y...>
                    > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:46 PM
                    > Subject: [coldwarcomms] Emergency Power from Ships
                    >
                    >
                    > > Since we're into emergency comm restoration in "disasters" during
                    the
                    > > cold war and up to the present....what about emergency power for
                    > > comms(& eveything else essential) during that period &
                    now?...aside
                    > > from the obvious transportable gas turbine & diesel units,
                    did/does
                    > > FEMA,the Navy, or any other agency have a plan to use
                    > > Navy/USCG/Military Sea Transport ships for restoring power to
                    > > coastline cities like these destroyer escorts did in WW2 &
                    Korea?...
                    > > as shown on these pages:
                    > >
                    > > http://www.de220.com/Conversions/TEG.htm
                    > > http://www.sunwest-emb.com/wiseman/misc-1.htm
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
                    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                    > >
                    > >
                  • albertjlafrance@cs.com
                    Tonight s (5/3/01) NBC Nightly News, in a report on the electric-power crisis in California, mentioned using generators on surplus ships as power sources. I
                    Message 9 of 10 , May 3, 2001
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                      Tonight's (5/3/01) NBC Nightly News, in a report on the electric-power crisis
                      in California, mentioned using generators on surplus ships as power sources.
                      I didn't catch whether the idea was just proposed, or has actually been
                      implemented.

                      Albert
                    • Paxton Heckman
                      Recently in the local paper (The Hartford Courant) there was an article about a company here in Connecticut that is experimenting/producing inverters
                      Message 10 of 10 , May 6, 2001
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                        <P> <BR>Recently in the local paper (The Hartford
                        Courant) there was an article about a company here in
                        Connecticut that is experimenting/producing inverters
                        for locomotives, for this purpose. They are also
                        hoping to get into the fuel cell market and create the
                        first fuel cell powered locomotive... Neat stuff. I
                        think they are going to put something on the
                        Provedence & Worcester RR website about it
                        <P>  <B><I>albertjlafrance@...</I></B> wrote:
                        <BR>
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                        (5/3/01) NBC Nightly News, in a report on the
                        electric-power crisis <BR>in California, mentioned
                        using generators on surplus ships as power
                        sources.  <BR>I didn't catch whether the idea was
                        just proposed, or has actually been
                        <BR>implemented.<BR><BR>Albert <BR></TT><BR><!--
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