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Re: [coldwarcomms] Cellular at Pentagon, White House, OEB etc

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  • Rod Lannon
    Not all areas are considered secure areas and thus are not RF shielded. To make the entire Pentagon, OEB, and WH RF shielded would be tremendously expensive.
    Message 1 of 10 , Mar 2 12:19 PM
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      Not all areas are considered secure areas and
      thus are not RF shielded. To make the entire
      Pentagon, OEB, and WH RF shielded would be
      tremendously expensive.

      Areas that are not shielded, but hold classified
      meetings, have strict guidelines as to what one may take
      into said rooms or meeting places. In some cases
      nothing is allowed inside, except for the person
      and their clothing. Which is checked before
      entry for a variety of items.

      Rod
    • Pj
      The same device, or one similar can been seen on the Air Force One special(s?) that were on NGC HD not too long ago on GWB s desk a few times. ... From: John
      Message 2 of 10 , Mar 2 2:50 PM
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        The same device, or one similar can been seen on the Air Force One special(s?) that were on NGC HD not too long ago on GWB's desk a few times.

        --- On Mon, 3/2/09, John Young <jya@...> wrote:


        From: John Young <jya@...>
        Subject: RE: [coldwarcomms] Cellular at Pentagon, White House, OEB etc
        To: coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 1:04 PM


        NSA produced a secure personal communication device for
        the military and others which has been commercialized:


        http://www.nsa.gov/ia/news/sme-ped.shtml

        Obama has been reported as getting one of these especially
        rigged for him and his cleared communicants who need
        them as well.

        It uses encryption but is also able to operate from within
        shielded environments. How it does that has not been made
        public.

        Presumable it operates outside the range of shielding standards
        on a spectrum not accessible to unclassified means.

        Whether the device includes a tracking capacity as well as
        a panic button is not clear.

        As an aside:

        Comms have to get into and out of shielded enclosures
        and they do. Shielded cabling connected to outside
        transmitters -- wired (metal or glass) or wireless -- usually.

        TEMPEST protection has always been breachable with
        appropriate equipment. Certainly after TEMPEST standards
        were widely publicized in the 1990s the means to breach
        those standards have evolved. Several technologies for
        this have been hinted at but not declassified.

        What is not known are the others levels of protection that are
        not readily breachable. But then no security pro ever believes a
        technology is not breachable -- only deluded fools believe that.
        Degrees of protection, never absolute. The better it is, the more
        it costs, isn't that a surprise. How to telli the difference between
        the good stuff and snake oil is deliberately obscured, in
        accord with The Art of War.

        What is standard tradecraft is the notion that a system is totally
        secure in order to promote its usage and then be able to get into
        more transmissions. Public encryption is such a ploy, not
        to say the Internet itself, following the deceptive tradition
        of early forms of communication. Preaching to the choir
        of coldwarcomms.

        Secrecy is a matter of faith, blind most often. And to challenge
        its benefits is to provoke a frenzy of patriotic (commercial
        interest) fervor, as required by the beneficiaries of NDAs
        and sec clearances.

        Hoot.



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      • Moran, Dick
        I lived near Ft Meade while NSA was building its two new black box buildings. During the construction and before the black glass exterior was installed you
        Message 3 of 10 , Mar 2 5:43 PM
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          I lived near Ft Meade while NSA was building its two new black box
          buildings. During the construction and before the black glass exterior
          was installed you could see copper screen covering the whole building.
          Heard once that it was cheaper to Tempest proof the building as opposed
          to each piece of equipment inside.



          D



          -----Original Message-----
          From: coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com]
          On Behalf Of Rod Lannon
          Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:20 PM
          To: coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Cellular at Pentagon, White House, OEB etc



          Not all areas are considered secure areas and
          thus are not RF shielded. To make the entire
          Pentagon, OEB, and WH RF shielded would be
          tremendously expensive.

          Areas that are not shielded, but hold classified
          meetings, have strict guidelines as to what one may take
          into said rooms or meeting places. In some cases
          nothing is allowed inside, except for the person
          and their clothing. Which is checked before
          entry for a variety of items.

          Rod




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        • David
          FWIW: I ve heard that POTUS is carrying... a Blackberry. (Not a SMEPED. He did not like them.) I would assume, with good reason, that it s data-only; the
          Message 4 of 10 , Mar 2 8:14 PM
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            FWIW: I've heard that POTUS is carrying... a Blackberry. (Not a SMEPED. He
            did not like them.)

            I would assume, with good reason, that it's data-only; the mike/earpiece
            having been rendered inoperative.
          • B
            He now has a reprogeammed palm computer. The Feds have a new encrypted palm brand device that works like a blackberry Not too hard to get a similar tech for
            Message 5 of 10 , Mar 2 8:18 PM
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              He now has a reprogeammed palm computer.

              The Feds have a new encrypted palm brand device that works like a blackberry

              Not too hard to get a similar tech for yourself. The iPhone supports VPN (virtual private networking and has AES encryption hard wired into the machine.

              For some freeware there is a program out that will encrypt a file 3 ways meaning encrypted by one way then that is encrypted by another then that is encrypted by a third method.

              Now I just got to find a program that turns my computer and phone modem into a stu unit that can connect over a regular line.



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