Re: [coldwarcomms] bunker rumor
- rgates8254@... wrote:
The Reagan admin figured out that most everybody knew where all the
> so called super secret bunkers were and switched to a mobile mode model.Interesting you should mention that. A few weeks ago I was discussing
> of the large white FEMA semi's that are now used in various disasters for
> communications and everything else were developed then at a classified
> as a way to deploy leadership away from areas that would get hit.
something that may be related with some friends and family members.
Back in the early to mid 80s in Iowa, Missouri and Illinois everyone had
observed some of the same vehicles that I had. They were several white
semi tractor trailer rigs with box trailers which traveled together and
seemed to have a couple of vans or cars sometimes following them. The
thing about the tractor trailers was that they were painfully plain and
ordinary. They stood out because they were just too ordinary and
because they were traveling in a pack.
Now also about this time we also began to see these same types of
tractors but instead of box trailers, they were pulling what appeared to
be tarped wagon type trailers that would be commonly be used to haul
grains. These would also be running around in a convoy of 3 to 6 rigs
painfully ordinary, new, well maintained vehicles that stood out like
Both types you tended to see more in the overnight hours. A couple of
the box trailers were moving van type with a “belly” that you didn't see
very often outside of moving vans back then. I remember seeing them
quite a few different times through the 80s especially in the early 80s
and into the mid 80s. A couple of people said they noticed seeing
them when international tensions increased so they thought they might be
government related. It was mostly shrugged off as "more of those white
trucks running around"
I'd never thought about it as I got older but now I wonder if they
weren't the Mobile Alert Headquarters (or whatever it was back then) or
some part of a COG related program.
- Many people confuse the E-4B as being AF1 - and around the time they were
filming the movie "Air Force One" the 747 used in the film, marked with
identical livery to the real plane was seen at several airports around the
country prompted claims of a "third" AF1 aircraft. As a vet of flying on the
E-4B more times than I remember, people claimed we were "AF1" - if it got us
a better room or better chow of course we would agree. LOL//j o h n
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Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] bunker rumor
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In a message dated 5/31/2007 10:22:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rgates8254@... <mailto:rgates8254%40aol.com> writes:
The story about Zbig is not a rumor but true...that was a darling of a
The bottom line is if a real attack comes, there seems to be some hesitancy
(because the thought is so fantastic and not something thought about on a
basis) that people don't want to MOVE... including VIPs.
Which is why we did & do have personnel who under the right conditions have
NCA powers, already at 'black' bunkers & mobile platforms. The major
strategic threats know this.
Look at 911. When
Bush was reading to the kids, and an aide tells him that the country is
he kept reading till he was told a second time. All sorts of theories about
but I suspect that he was not expecting that and it took him time to absorb
I suspect your suspicions are quite wrong. First notification seemed to be
that a commercial plane struck a WTC tower. He took rapid action ("We're at
war") after being informed a few min later that a second plane struck the
other WTC tower -- clearly not needing time to "absorb" the implausibility
coincidence or accident.
Then they fly to the bunker at Barksdale, then off to the old SAC bunker at
The news footage of that was rich. Here is the parade of VIPs and press
a road, the motorcade stops and what appears to be a public park and the
people going into what looks like a very small outhouse looking/storage type
but its really one of the entrances to the bunker. Security...Burp!b
*Your* take on it, or mine, don't necessarily equate to a security faux
pass, no matter what sort of picture you try to belch out. If you thought
grassy area & missile displays in front of the USSTRATCOM HQ looked like a
public park, and the STRATCOM Underground's alternate ingress/egress looked
an outhouse, so be it, but I'm not sure what damage
was done. I haven't seen that video for years, and I'm not going to assume
you're correct about the media pool going in, but if they did, it's not like
they had the run of the place, and I suppose I'd be happy if some did get to
go inside & document some of the event.
Interestingly if the country had been under serious nuclear attack, Offutt
would probably be the last place I would fly POTUS to because they would
be targets themselves.
Well, they decided pretty quickly --correctly-- that it was neither a
serious nuclear attack, nor a non-serious nuclear attack, hence the desire
mobile & away from the area he was scheduled to be in & to a relavtively
(i.e. no nuclear war concern) place with better comms connectivity than AF1
at the time. So I have no clue why you're bringing up the 9/11 events...
Some of the Reagan era COG stuff came from people I know when I was working
on a cold war history project and they also confirmed details from the CNN
Publicly there was a CNN special called Doomsday government or something
My VHS copy of the "Doomsday Government" CNN Special Assignments documentary
which the producer gave me (with some cool outtakes like some extra footage
of Mt Weather, et al). is dated 17 November, 1991, which is when the 1 hour
feature first aired. Somehow the producer tracked me down while they were
working on it & I provided a very minor, very unclassified, somewhat
open-source contribution to that documentary. My contribution did not deal
CNN's feature was pretty much based on a 7 August 1989 US News & World
cover-story by Steven Emerson titled 'America's Doomsday Project,' &
many cost-overruns, system failures, and malfeasance related to sole-source
bidders were found (mostly found by the gov't itself, not the media).
As I recall that TV special mentioned how COG was
using some of the old SAGE buildings (at least the underground parts) for
and many COG related items.
I'll be careful here because I haven't watched the video in many years, but
my recollection contradicts yours. I recall that during a COG test, the old
SAGE structure at Malmstrom AFB was used as a COG site & there were problems
with strategic C3,I, with it being reported that in one instance, due to no
connectivity over at least one special circuit, a POTS or AUTOVON line was
used. As I said to you before, one of the main purposes of a test is to find
deficiencies, which they certainly did. I'm not able to factually articulate
what corrections & improvements may have been made as a result of that test.
The identical twin of AF 1 at a field in Virginia was actually covered in a
news story, quite
awhile ago. It has its own hanger, that is guarded on an otherwise public
As I recall the article appeared in the Virginia Pilot. I will try and run
down a copy
and get the info out. There is several stories from AF people that there is
a third plane identical to the first two.
I goofed on the tail numbers, one is 28000 and the other is 29000, but they
are identical in every other respect. People on the inside referred to as a
but tell me it is/can be used on some missions.
I am still waiting for you to re-locate the article that made the claim.
When you use "AF 1," what airframe type are you specifically referring to,
VC-25s (747s?). It's a common-sense, common-knowledge thing that for
high-priority tasks, there is a back-up.
If the aircraft being used as AF1 is on of the two VC-25As, the back-up bird
might be the other VC-25A, or it might be a smaller aircraft. You don't
have to rely on any "insider" to find out that VC-25As 92-8000 & 92-9000 are
both used as Air Force One. Frankly Robert, if someone is telling you that
one is a "decoy," I think they're messing with you. Both of those VC-25As
based at Andrews AFB, &
usually parked in a nice, big, obvious hangar there. I wonder why no one
but you seems to be aware of an identical VC-25A, complete with "UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA" & the Presidential Seal on the sides is hidden at a
Virginia? Trivia question: How many public airports in Virginia are set up
runway lengths capable of handling a VC-25A take-off & landing? How many of
those that do also have a hangar to 'hide' a VC-25A in?
Having AF 1 land and plug into the hard wire network was something that was
rather remarkable during Reagn , but now is not. As a rule, so people in
the AF tell me,
AF 1 can plug into anything on the ground.
Huh? Most of the SAM aircraft have been able to plug-in to landlines since
at least the early 1970s.
You are probably familiar with HMX 1? mission of going into DC after the
bomb went off and searching
for VIP survivors blah blah blah. I recall an article mentioning that a
number of years ago.
I'm pretty sure you're getting USMC's HMX-1 confused with the USAF's former
2857th Test Group, first based at Olmsted AFB in PA & then Dover AFB DE
the unit was disbanded. If you've seen an article mentioning HMX-1 doing
that sort of thing, please add it to your list of articles to try to dig up
Bottom line, as Zbig found out, if the alert button was pushed out of the
blue, it would be a total screw
up getting off the ground, much less getting VIPs out of town before
something nasty happened.
It's a little reassuring to know that there'd be so many screw-ups, it's
unlikely anyone with a capability to do so would arbitrarily decide to
Emergency War Orders.
My bottom line however is that I think a lot of what you state as fact is
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