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  • james kester
    Dude, the NSA origin is Thurleigh England, United States Army Air Corp, The Mighty Eighth! Actually, you can probably kick in some members of the British House
    Message 1 of 15 , Apr 30, 2007
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      Dude, the NSA origin is Thurleigh England, United States Army Air Corp, The
      Mighty Eighth! Actually, you can probably kick in some members of the
      British House of Commons as well. Signal Corp Radio men.

      Lee <lunterborn@...> wrote: "Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes?" on the origins of NSA:

      http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-quis.pdf

      "SIGINT and the Fall of Saigon, April 1975":

      http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-saigon.pdf

      "The First Round: NSA's Effort Against International
      Terrorism in the 1970s":

      http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-terror.pdf

      "A Brief Look at ELINT at NSA":

      http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-elint.pdf






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    • Frank
      How s that? Frank ... Corp, The
      Message 2 of 15 , May 1 4:18 AM
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        How's that?

        Frank

        --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Dude, the NSA origin is Thurleigh England, United States Army Air
        Corp, The
        > Mighty Eighth! Actually, you can probably kick in some members of the
        > British House of Commons as well. Signal Corp Radio men.
      • james kester
        I would recommend the following Winston Churchill Descriptions. I currently have three complete circulating to various people. They defy common liberated
        Message 3 of 15 , May 1 5:19 AM
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          I would recommend the following Winston Churchill Descriptions.
          I currently have three complete circulating to various people.

          They defy common liberated knowledge, and illustrate the cause and affect of
          companies like Halliburton and Perini...... including J.P. Morgan.
          Or at very minimum the Holy Sea.............

          Think of Ft. Meade as a Sewer Treatment Plant.


          Another recommendation of validation.

          Der' Fuher, Conrad von Heiden, 1945

          "After the end of the World War of 1914 there was a deep conviction and almost universal hope that peace would reign in the world. This heart's desire of all the peoples could easily have been gained by steadfastness in righteous convictions, and by reasonable common sense and prudence." But we all know that's not what happened. As Britain's prime minister for most of the Second World War, Winston Churchill--whose career had to that point already encompassed the roles of military historian and civil servant with a proficiency in both that few others could claim--had a unique perspective on the conflict, and as soon as he left office in 1945, he began to set that perspective down on paper. To measure the importance of The Second World War, it is worth remembering that there are no parallel accounts from either of the other Allied leaders, Roosevelt and Stalin. We have in this multivolume work an account that contains both comprehensive sweep and intimate detail. Almost
          anybody who compiles a list of such works ranks it highly among the nonfiction books of the 20th century. In the opening volume, The Gathering Storm, Churchill tracks the erosion of the shaky peace brokered at the end of the First World War, followed by the rise to power of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis and their gradual spread from beyond Germany's borders to most of the European continent. Churchill foresaw the coming crisis and made his opinion known quite clearly throughout the latter '30s, and this book concludes on a vindicating note, with his appointment in May 1940 as prime minister, after which he recalls that "I felt as if I were walking with destiny, and that all my past life had been but a preparation for this hour and for this trial."
          Their Finest Hour concerns itself with 1940. France falls, and England is left to face the German menace alone. Soon London is under siege from the air--and Churchill has a few stories of his own experiences during the Blitz to share--but they persevere to the end of what Churchill calls "the most splendid, as it was the most deadly, year in our long English and British history." They press on in The Grand Alliance, liberating Ethiopia from the Italians and lending support to Greece. Then, when Hitler reneges on his non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union (the very signing of which had proved Stalin and his commissars "the most completely outwitted bunglers of the Second World War"), the Allied team begins to coalesce. The bombing of Pearl Harbor by the Japanese makes the participation of the United States in the war official, and this is of "the greatest joy" to Churchill: "How long the war would last or in what fashion it would end no man could tell, nor did I at that
          moment care. Once again in our long island history we should emerge, however mauled or mutilated, safe and victorious."
          But as the fourth volume, The Hinge of Fate, reveals, success would not happen overnight. The Japanese military still held strong positions in the Pacific theater, and Rommel's tank corps were on the offensive in Africa. After a string of military defeats, Churchill's opponents in Parliament introduced a motion for a censure vote; this was handily defeated, and victory secured in Africa, then Italy. By this time, Churchill had met separately with both Roosevelt and Stalin; the second half of volume 5, Closing the Ring, brings the three of them together for the first time at the November 1943 conference in Teheran. This book closes on the eve of D-day: "All the ships were at sea. We had the mastery of the oceans and of the air. The Hitler tyranny was doomed."
          And so, in the concluding volume, Triumph and Tragedy, the Allies push across Europe and take the fight to Berlin. President Roosevelt's death shortly before final victory against Germany affected Churchill deeply, "as if I had been struck a physical blow," and he would later regret not attending the funeral and meeting Harry Truman then, instead of at the Potsdam conference after Germany's defeat. Churchill himself would not be there for the conclusion to the war against Japan; in July of 1945, a general election in Britain brought in a Labor government (or, as he refers to them, "Socialists"), and he resigned immediately, for "the verdict of the electors had been so overwhelmingly expressed that I did not wish to remain even for an hour responsible for their affairs."

          Book Description
          Churchill's six-volume history of World War II -- the definitive work, remarkable both for its sweep and for its sense of personal involvement, universally acknowledged as a magnificent historical reconstruction and an enduring work of literature. From Britian's darkest and finest hour to the great alliance and ultimate victory, the Second World War remains the pivotal event in our century. Churchill was not only its greatest leader, but the free world's most eloquent voice of defiance in the face of Nazi tyranny. His epic account of those times, published in six volumes, won the Nobel Prize in 1953.


          Frank <frank_cwv@...> wrote: How's that?

          Frank

          --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > Dude, the NSA origin is Thurleigh England, United States Army Air
          Corp, The
          > Mighty Eighth! Actually, you can probably kick in some members of the
          > British House of Commons as well. Signal Corp Radio men.






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        • Frank
          Never mind. I thought maybe you could enlighten me as to the connection between Thurleigh and ASA. I gather you either can t or won t. Frank
          Message 4 of 15 , May 1 5:40 AM
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            Never mind. I thought maybe you could enlighten me as to the
            connection between Thurleigh and ASA. I gather you either can't or
            won't.

            Frank


            --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > I would recommend the following Winston Churchill Descriptions.
            > ...
          • Frank
            Whoops, I meant between Thurleigh and NSA. Frank
            Message 5 of 15 , May 1 5:45 AM
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              Whoops, I meant between Thurleigh and NSA.

              Frank


              --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank_cwv@...> wrote:
              >
              > Never mind. I thought maybe you could enlighten me as to the
              > connection between Thurleigh and ASA. I gather you either can't or
              > won't.
              >
              > Frank
              >
              >
              > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > I would recommend the following Winston Churchill Descriptions.
              > > ...
              >
            • james kester
              Ask them yourself man. http://www.mightyeighth.org/index-links.asp Frank wrote: Whoops, I meant
              Message 6 of 15 , May 1 12:46 PM
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                Ask them yourself man.

                http://www.mightyeighth.org/index-links.asp




                Frank <frank_cwv@...> wrote: Whoops, I meant between Thurleigh and NSA.

                Frank

                --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank_cwv@...> wrote:
                >
                > Never mind. I thought maybe you could enlighten me as to the
                > connection between Thurleigh and ASA. I gather you either can't or
                > won't.
                >
                > Frank
                >
                >
                > --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > I would recommend the following Winston Churchill Descriptions.
                > > ...
                >






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              • Frank
                How would that help? A google search of mightyeighth.org only gives one hit on Thurleigh, as the location of a bomber group, and nothing at all about NSA.
                Message 7 of 15 , May 1 2:29 PM
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                  How would that help? A google search of mightyeighth.org only gives
                  one hit on Thurleigh, as the location of a bomber group, and nothing at
                  all about NSA.

                  You're the one who said "the NSA origin is Thurleigh England" etc.
                  Just blowing smoke I guess. No harm in that I suppose, although I
                  don't see the humor in it.

                  Frank


                  --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > Ask them yourself man.
                  >
                  > http://www.mightyeighth.org/index-links.asp
                • james kester
                  not a big reader, huh. evidently you are not familiar with the generation either. or their code of conduct. the one i learned as well. too bad... Frank
                  Message 8 of 15 , May 1 6:32 PM
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                    not a big reader, huh.

                    evidently you are not familiar with the generation either.

                    or their code of conduct. the one i learned as well. too bad...


                    Frank <frank_cwv@...> wrote: How would that help? A google search of mightyeighth.org only gives
                    one hit on Thurleigh, as the location of a bomber group, and nothing at
                    all about NSA.

                    You're the one who said "the NSA origin is Thurleigh England" etc.
                    Just blowing smoke I guess. No harm in that I suppose, although I
                    don't see the humor in it.

                    Frank

                    --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > Ask them yourself man.
                    >
                    > http://www.mightyeighth.org/index-links.asp






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                  • Mark Foster
                    ... This article raised my interest on the National Technical Processing Center which only yielded 18 replies from Google. One of them was very interesting:
                    Message 9 of 15 , May 2 5:00 AM
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                      At 08:52 PM 4/30/2007, you wrote:
                      >"A Brief Look at ELINT at NSA":
                      >
                      ><http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-elint.pdf>http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-elint.pdf


                      This article raised my interest on the
                      "National Technical Processing Center"
                      which only yielded 18 replies from Google.

                      One of them was very interesting:
                      http://www.nrl.navy.mil/pao/pressRelease.php?Y=2000&R=32-00r

                      One section refered to the CDAA arays, see below:

                      Communications and radar intercept systems on aircraft, ships,
                      submarines, and shore stations captured signals near the periphery of
                      the Soviet Union and Communist China. Project Boresight created a
                      global Navy network of HFDF stations to intercept and fix the source
                      of radio transmissions from Soviet surface ships and submarines.
                      Boresight successor Bullseye's huge circularly disposed antenna
                      arrays included up to two rings of dipole antennas and two reflector
                      screens and grew to an effective diameter of 800 feet. The first of
                      the CDAA arrays, installed at the Hybla Valley Coast Guard Station,
                      Alexandria, Virginia, in 1957, was used to track the Soviet Sputnik's
                      20 MHz signal and determine its orbit. Mack J. Sheets was Lorenzen's
                      antenna engineer for Boresight and Bullseye; Bob Misner, signal processing.

                      I never new they were used for satellite work!

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                    • james kester
                      This one will only cost you and the other s interested, the price listed. You can obtain it from CSPAN. And, you won t have to read it.... This way you ll hear
                      Message 10 of 15 , May 2 5:42 AM
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                        This one will only cost you and the other's interested, the price listed. You can obtain it from CSPAN.

                        And, you won't have to read it....

                        This way you'll hear it loud and clear.

                        House Committee
                        Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Modernization
                        Select Intelligence
                        Washington, District of Columbia (United States)
                        ID: 197887 - 05/01/2007 - 2:14 - $29.95


                        Rockefeller, John D. "Jay" IVU.S. Senator, D-WV

                        Alexander, Keith B.Director, National Security Agency

                        Wainstein, Kenneth L.Assistant Attorney General, Department of Justice, National Security Division

                        McConnell, John M. "Mike"Director, Office of National Intelligence


                        The Senate Select Intelligence Committee holds a hearing on proposals to revise the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.










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                      • ozob99
                        ... elint.pdf http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-elint.pdf ... of ... source ... reflector ... Sputnik s ... Lorenzen s ... processing. ... This site(which i m
                        Message 11 of 15 , May 2 6:38 AM
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                          --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, Mark Foster <mcfoster@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > At 08:52 PM 4/30/2007, you wrote:
                          > >"A Brief Look at ELINT at NSA":
                          > >
                          > ><http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-
                          elint.pdf>http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-elint.pdf
                          >
                          >
                          > This article raised my interest on the
                          > "National Technical Processing Center"
                          > which only yielded 18 replies from Google.
                          >
                          > One of them was very interesting:
                          > http://www.nrl.navy.mil/pao/pressRelease.php?Y=2000&R=32-00r
                          >
                          > One section refered to the CDAA arays, see below:
                          >
                          > Communications and radar intercept systems on aircraft, ships,
                          > submarines, and shore stations captured signals near the periphery
                          of
                          > the Soviet Union and Communist China. Project Boresight created a
                          > global Navy network of HFDF stations to intercept and fix the
                          source
                          > of radio transmissions from Soviet surface ships and submarines.
                          > Boresight successor Bullseye's huge circularly disposed antenna
                          > arrays included up to two rings of dipole antennas and two
                          reflector
                          > screens and grew to an effective diameter of 800 feet. The first of
                          > the CDAA arrays, installed at the Hybla Valley Coast Guard Station,
                          > Alexandria, Virginia, in 1957, was used to track the Soviet
                          Sputnik's
                          > 20 MHz signal and determine its orbit. Mack J. Sheets was
                          Lorenzen's
                          > antenna engineer for Boresight and Bullseye; Bob Misner, signal
                          processing.
                          >
                          > I never new they were used for satellite work!
                          >
                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                          >

                          This site(which i'm sure many of you have visited) has lots of shots
                          of former & active Wullenweber's as well as comm towers,military &
                          gov't activities:

                          http://virtualglobetrotting.com/category/buildings/military_communicat
                          ions/
                        • Frank
                          James, rather than trying to con me into wasting $30 and over two hours of my time why don t you just explain what you meant when you said the NSA origin is
                          Message 12 of 15 , May 2 8:32 AM
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                            James, rather than trying to con me into wasting $30 and over two
                            hours of my time why don't you just explain what you meant when you
                            said "the NSA origin is Thurleigh England", etc.

                            I've been interested in the history of NSA and it's associated
                            uniformed organizations since reading "The Codebreakers" and serving
                            in USAF's Security Service (one of those organizations) for 2-1/2
                            years in the 60's and 70's.

                            When I saw your original comment I was puzzled since I had never
                            before heard of such a connection, and all I wanted was to fill in a
                            gap in my knowledge, to understand what was behind that comment.

                            Obviously, that gap will remain unfilled.

                            Finally, I want you to know that when you refer to Ft. Meade as
                            a "Sewer Treatment Plant", you are dishonoring the memory of the
                            soldiers, sailors, airmen, and civilians who died carrying out the
                            NSA mission. Your putdown also puts down the untold numbers who
                            served in silence and survived, and who helped win the Cold War. You
                            apparently didn't learn that code of conduct you referred to very
                            well.

                            This cold warrior, for one, is deeply offended.

                            I'm done communicating with you on this subject.

                            Frank



                            --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > This one will only cost you ...
                          • Gaylon Rose
                            ...Sorry...Another error occured when I typed in the link at the bottom...Gaylon/kc0aud ... elint.pdf http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-elint.pdf ... of ...
                            Message 13 of 15 , May 2 7:18 PM
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                              ...Sorry...Another error occured when I typed in the link at the bottom...Gaylon/kc0aud

                              ozob99 <ozob99@...> wrote: --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, Mark Foster <mcfoster@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > At 08:52 PM 4/30/2007, you wrote:
                              > >"A Brief Look at ELINT at NSA":
                              > >
                              > ><http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-
                              elint.pdf>http://www.fas.org/irp/nsa/almanac-elint.pdf
                              >
                              >
                              > This article raised my interest on the
                              > "National Technical Processing Center"
                              > which only yielded 18 replies from Google.
                              >
                              > One of them was very interesting:
                              > http://www.nrl.navy.mil/pao/pressRelease.php?Y=2000&R=32-00r
                              >
                              > One section refered to the CDAA arays, see below:
                              >
                              > Communications and radar intercept systems on aircraft, ships,
                              > submarines, and shore stations captured signals near the periphery
                              of
                              > the Soviet Union and Communist China. Project Boresight created a
                              > global Navy network of HFDF stations to intercept and fix the
                              source
                              > of radio transmissions from Soviet surface ships and submarines.
                              > Boresight successor Bullseye's huge circularly disposed antenna
                              > arrays included up to two rings of dipole antennas and two
                              reflector
                              > screens and grew to an effective diameter of 800 feet. The first of
                              > the CDAA arrays, installed at the Hybla Valley Coast Guard Station,
                              > Alexandria, Virginia, in 1957, was used to track the Soviet
                              Sputnik's
                              > 20 MHz signal and determine its orbit. Mack J. Sheets was
                              Lorenzen's
                              > antenna engineer for Boresight and Bullseye; Bob Misner, signal
                              processing.
                              >
                              > I never new they were used for satellite work!
                              >
                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >

                              This site(which i'm sure many of you have visited) has lots of shots
                              of former & active Wullenweber's as well as comm towers,military &
                              gov't activities:

                              http://virtualglobetrotting.com/category/buildings/military_communicat
                              ions/






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                            • james kester
                              sorry, as i worked in meade 73-74, i learned intelligence was earned at the price of research. something prized, something closed session , as illustrated in
                              Message 14 of 15 , May 3 1:15 AM
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                                sorry, as i worked in meade 73-74, i learned intelligence was earned at
                                the price of research. something prized, something "closed session", as
                                illustrated in the CSPAN communications intelligence FISA hearing i so generously provided to this group. well worth the $30 bucks.

                                something the clinton administration dismantled, along with this country's
                                leadership in the world. a network of information that took 60 years to establish,
                                and 60 weeks to destroy. from within!

                                as I will always remain protective of the information I earned. just an old habit, like
                                the salute.

                                salute..........





                                Frank <frank_cwv@...> wrote: James, rather than trying to con me into wasting $30 and over two
                                hours of my time why don't you just explain what you meant when you
                                said "the NSA origin is Thurleigh England", etc.

                                I've been interested in the history of NSA and it's associated
                                uniformed organizations since reading "The Codebreakers" and serving
                                in USAF's Security Service (one of those organizations) for 2-1/2
                                years in the 60's and 70's.

                                When I saw your original comment I was puzzled since I had never
                                before heard of such a connection, and all I wanted was to fill in a
                                gap in my knowledge, to understand what was behind that comment.

                                Obviously, that gap will remain unfilled.

                                Finally, I want you to know that when you refer to Ft. Meade as
                                a "Sewer Treatment Plant", you are dishonoring the memory of the
                                soldiers, sailors, airmen, and civilians who died carrying out the
                                NSA mission. Your putdown also puts down the untold numbers who
                                served in silence and survived, and who helped win the Cold War. You
                                apparently didn't learn that code of conduct you referred to very
                                well.

                                This cold warrior, for one, is deeply offended.

                                I'm done communicating with you on this subject.

                                Frank

                                --- In coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com, james kester <radioconstco@...>
                                wrote:
                                >
                                > This one will only cost you ...






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