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  • Albert LaFrance
    ... From: ozob99 To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt
    Message 1 of 9 , Sep 20, 2006
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "ozob99" <ozob99@...>
      To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:50 PM
      Subject: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather


      Interestingly Western Union was the 1st telcom company on Mt Weather;
      when a Weather Bureau station was established around 1902. Off topic
      factoid: a kite flying world record was set there in the early 1900's
      of 23,000+ feet.
    • Albert LaFrance
      ... From: Steve To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western
      Message 2 of 9 , Sep 20, 2006
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Steve" <steve.kudlak@...>
        To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:00 PM
        Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather



        I wonder if Cryptome folks have been doing anything with their eyenall
        series on places like Mt. Weather. I remember they were the group of
        folks that did "Eyeball" series of pictures of all sorts of secret
        places from the air and other info. Including after "Total Information
        Awareness" which my old employers DARPA were going to fire up, pictures
        of Adm Pointdester's house fro the air and his address and phone number
        etc. I 5think they had something aboutr "Cheyney's hiding place" or
        something like that.



        Have Fun,
        Sends Steve


        ozob99 wrote:

        > Interestingly Western Union was the 1st telcom company on Mt Weather;
        > when a Weather Bureau station was established around 1902. Off topic
        > factoid: a kite flying world record was set there in the early 1900's
        > of 23,000+ feet.
        >
        >




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      • Albert LaFrance
        ... From: Steve To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western
        Message 3 of 9 , Sep 20, 2006
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Steve" <steve.kudlak@...>
          To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:09 PM
          Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather


          > The Wayback Machine has what FEMA used to say about Mt. Weather. It's here:
          > http://web.archive.org/web/20050330084241/http://www.fema.gov/rrr/weather.shtm
          > Anyway enuff prolixity from me for awhile.
          >
          > Have Fun,
          > Sends Steve
          >
          >
          >
        • Albert LaFrance
          ... From: Michael Harpe To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western
          Message 4 of 9 , Sep 20, 2006
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Michael Harpe" <mharpe79@...>
            To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:16 AM
            Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather


            > I think the Internet is probably going to remembered as the single largest
            > example of Government technology transfer ever. GPS is up there but the
            > Internet beats it in my opinion.
            >
            > I have a job because of it. I'm a network engineer for a Fortune 300 company
            > and I work with TCP/IP every day!
            >
            > Mike Harpe, N4PLE
            > Sellersburg, IN
            >
            > --- blitz <blitz@...> wrote:
            >
            > > Ahh Tymnet, we hacked the hell outs that...haha...they tried to
            > > eliminate 8 bit transfers, and we hacked that too....man that brings
            > > back memories....
            > >
            > > NYCDIAL
            > > and DALLAS:DALLAS
            > > we beat the dogsnot outa those....they were still working as of 1991
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > At 21:33 9/17/2006, you wrote:
            > >
            > > >Well it is a good feature. I mean when it was the ARPANET I was asked by
            > > >some business type how we made improvements, fixed things and kept them
            > > >going etc. I described the whole process with RFCs (Request For
            > > >Comments) etc. They would laugh and tell me it couldn't work etc. But it
            > > >did and it has and it looks likes it most definitely will work whereas
            > > >thing like IBMs SNA and even TYMNET did not survive or evolve into
            > > >something new and better and the ARPANET did and became the INTERNET
            > > >which is better. So yes you are right. It is a good example of
            > > >something good that came out of Cold War Thinking that has led to
            > > >something quite good.
            > > >
            > > >Have Fun,
            > > >Sends Steve
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >blitz wrote:
            > > >
            > > > > You can thank your lucky stars the Internet was constructed the way
            > > > > it is. It not only protects from outages, but automatically thwarts
            > > > > political mischief, police-state antics, and repressive government
            > > > > interference as well. The unfortunate part is spammers, and
            > > > > advertising as a whole has seen it as a way to exploit the users with
            > > > > unwanted garbage arriving on our screens and mailboxes daily. In
            > > > > turn,some very good solutions have been invented to block this trash
            > > > > and insure the Internet doesn't become clogged tight with commercial
            > > spew.
            > > > >
            > > > > At 18:57 9/17/2006, you wrote:
            > > > > >Well there is lotsa genral information about these things. I mean those
            > > > > >of us who have worked for the government or contractors know that a lot
            > > > > >of the stuff is duller than films, movies and imagination make them.
            > > > > >Another interesting thing is the network we used sprung out of all the
            > > > > >coldwar stuff. In fact, the reason that it is hard to really fully kill
            > > > > >spam, or make the net totally kid safe or whatever the current bugaboo,
            > > > > >is because it wasn't designed to be reasonly controlled. It was supposed
            > > > > >to be used after the great nuclear war, which luckily hasn't happened.
            > > > > >Uh, remember that was another that was said to "not a matter of if but
            > > > > >when" sort of topic. Overall this design has worked and made an
            > > > > >interestring if somewhat anarchistic network. It is interesting that
            > > > > >things designed for nuclear war protection like those fallout shelters
            > > > > >ofter made/still make good natural disaster shelters. So it's not all
            > > > > >bad or scary Of course I wonder if Adam Curtis who did the BBC 3 part
            > > > > >series "The Power of Nightmares" is correct in saying that just as the
            > > > > >overly optimistic beliefs of the past weren't true and faded the
            > > > > >"Terrorism Nightmares" will fade too. Only time will tell.
            > > > > >
            > > > > >Have Fun,
            > > > > >Sends Steve
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
            > > > > >
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            > > > > >
            > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
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            > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
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          • Albert LaFrance
            ... From: blitz To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union &
            Message 5 of 9 , Sep 20, 2006
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "blitz" <blitz@...>
              To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:50 PM
              Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather


              > Indeed, and I use both daily as well. The modern electronics industry
              > is also a direct result of military invention and necessity. I dare
              > say we wouldn't have the microprocessors we have today if there
              > hadn't been a space race.
              >
              > At 08:16 9/18/2006, you wrote:
              > >I think the Internet is probably going to remembered as the single largest
              > >example of Government technology transfer ever. GPS is up there but the
              > >Internet beats it in my opinion.
              > >
              > >I have a job because of it. I'm a network engineer for a Fortune 300 company
              > >and I work with TCP/IP every day!
              > >
              > >Mike Harpe, N4PLE
              > >Sellersburg, IN
              > >
              > >--- blitz <blitz@...> wrote:
              > >
              > > > Ahh Tymnet, we hacked the hell outs that...haha...they tried to
              > > > eliminate 8 bit transfers, and we hacked that too....man that brings
              > > > back memories....
              > > >
              > > > NYCDIAL
              > > > and DALLAS:DALLAS
              > > > we beat the dogsnot outa those....they were still working as of 1991
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > At 21:33 9/17/2006, you wrote:
              > > >
              > > > >Well it is a good feature. I mean when it was the ARPANET I was asked by
              > > > >some business type how we made improvements, fixed things and kept them
              > > > >going etc. I described the whole process with RFCs (Request For
              > > > >Comments) etc. They would laugh and tell me it couldn't work etc. But it
              > > > >did and it has and it looks likes it most definitely will work whereas
              > > > >thing like IBMs SNA and even TYMNET did not survive or evolve into
              > > > >something new and better and the ARPANET did and became the INTERNET
              > > > >which is better. So yes you are right. It is a good example of
              > > > >something good that came out of Cold War Thinking that has led to
              > > > >something quite good.
              > > > >
              > > > >Have Fun,
              > > > >Sends Steve
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >blitz wrote:
              > > > >
              > > > > > You can thank your lucky stars the Internet was constructed the way
              > > > > > it is. It not only protects from outages, but automatically thwarts
              > > > > > political mischief, police-state antics, and repressive government
              > > > > > interference as well. The unfortunate part is spammers, and
              > > > > > advertising as a whole has seen it as a way to exploit the users with
              > > > > > unwanted garbage arriving on our screens and mailboxes daily. In
              > > > > > turn,some very good solutions have been invented to block this trash
              > > > > > and insure the Internet doesn't become clogged tight with commercial
              > > > spew.
              > > > > >
              > > > > > At 18:57 9/17/2006, you wrote:
              > > > > > >Well there is lotsa genral information about these things. I
              > > mean those
              > > > > > >of us who have worked for the government or contractors know
              > > that a lot
              > > > > > >of the stuff is duller than films, movies and imagination make them.
              > > > > > >Another interesting thing is the network we used sprung out of all the
              > > > > > >coldwar stuff. In fact, the reason that it is hard to really
              > > fully kill
              > > > > > >spam, or make the net totally kid safe or whatever the
              > > current bugaboo,
              > > > > > >is because it wasn't designed to be reasonly controlled. It
              > > was supposed
              > > > > > >to be used after the great nuclear war, which luckily hasn't happened.
              > > > > > >Uh, remember that was another that was said to "not a matter of if but
              > > > > > >when" sort of topic. Overall this design has worked and made an
              > > > > > >interestring if somewhat anarchistic network. It is interesting that
              > > > > > >things designed for nuclear war protection like those fallout shelters
              > > > > > >ofter made/still make good natural disaster shelters. So it's not all
              > > > > > >bad or scary Of course I wonder if Adam Curtis who did the BBC 3 part
              > > > > > >series "The Power of Nightmares" is correct in saying that just as the
              > > > > > >overly optimistic beliefs of the past weren't true and faded the
              > > > > > >"Terrorism Nightmares" will fade too. Only time will tell.
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >Have Fun,
              > > > > > >Sends Steve
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
              > > > > > >
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              > > > >
              > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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              > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
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            • Albert LaFrance
              ... From: blitz To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union &
              Message 6 of 9 , Sep 21, 2006
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "blitz" <blitz@...>
                To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 11:53 PM
                Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather


                > Ahh Tymnet, we hacked the hell outs that...haha...they tried to
                > eliminate 8 bit transfers, and we hacked that too....man that brings
                > back memories....
                >
                > NYCDIAL
                > and DALLAS:DALLAS
                > we beat the dogsnot outa those....they were still working as of 1991
                >
                >
                >
                > At 21:33 9/17/2006, you wrote:
                >
                > >Well it is a good feature. I mean when it was the ARPANET I was asked by
                > >some business type how we made improvements, fixed things and kept them
                > >going etc. I described the whole process with RFCs (Request For
                > >Comments) etc. They would laugh and tell me it couldn't work etc. But it
                > >did and it has and it looks likes it most definitely will work whereas
                > >thing like IBMs SNA and even TYMNET did not survive or evolve into
                > >something new and better and the ARPANET did and became the INTERNET
                > >which is better. So yes you are right. It is a good example of
                > >something good that came out of Cold War Thinking that has led to
                > >something quite good.
                > >
                > >Have Fun,
                > >Sends Steve
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >blitz wrote:
                > >
                > > > You can thank your lucky stars the Internet was constructed the way
                > > > it is. It not only protects from outages, but automatically thwarts
                > > > political mischief, police-state antics, and repressive government
                > > > interference as well. The unfortunate part is spammers, and
                > > > advertising as a whole has seen it as a way to exploit the users with
                > > > unwanted garbage arriving on our screens and mailboxes daily. In
                > > > turn,some very good solutions have been invented to block this trash
                > > > and insure the Internet doesn't become clogged tight with commercial spew.
                > > >
                > > > At 18:57 9/17/2006, you wrote:
                > > > >Well there is lotsa genral information about these things. I mean those
                > > > >of us who have worked for the government or contractors know that a lot
                > > > >of the stuff is duller than films, movies and imagination make them.
                > > > >Another interesting thing is the network we used sprung out of all the
                > > > >coldwar stuff. In fact, the reason that it is hard to really fully kill
                > > > >spam, or make the net totally kid safe or whatever the current bugaboo,
                > > > >is because it wasn't designed to be reasonly controlled. It was supposed
                > > > >to be used after the great nuclear war, which luckily hasn't happened.
                > > > >Uh, remember that was another that was said to "not a matter of if but
                > > > >when" sort of topic. Overall this design has worked and made an
                > > > >interestring if somewhat anarchistic network. It is interesting that
                > > > >things designed for nuclear war protection like those fallout shelters
                > > > >ofter made/still make good natural disaster shelters. So it's not all
                > > > >bad or scary Of course I wonder if Adam Curtis who did the BBC 3 part
                > > > >series "The Power of Nightmares" is correct in saying that just as the
                > > > >overly optimistic beliefs of the past weren't true and faded the
                > > > >"Terrorism Nightmares" will fade too. Only time will tell.
                > > > >
                > > > >Have Fun,
                > > > >Sends Steve
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
                > > > >
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              • Albert LaFrance
                ... From: Steve To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western
                Message 7 of 9 , Sep 21, 2006
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Steve" <steve.kudlak@...>
                  To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:33 PM
                  Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather



                  Well it is a good feature. I mean when it was the ARPANET I was asked by
                  some business type how we made improvements, fixed things and kept them
                  going etc. I described the whole process with RFCs (Request For
                  Comments) etc. They would laugh and tell me it couldn't work etc. But it
                  did and it has and it looks likes it most definitely will work whereas
                  thing like IBMs SNA and even TYMNET did not survive or evolve into
                  something new and better and the ARPANET did and became the INTERNET
                  which is better. So yes you are right. It is a good example of
                  something good that came out of Cold War Thinking that has led to
                  something quite good.

                  Have Fun,
                  Sends Steve




                  blitz wrote:

                  > You can thank your lucky stars the Internet was constructed the way
                  > it is. It not only protects from outages, but automatically thwarts
                  > political mischief, police-state antics, and repressive government
                  > interference as well. The unfortunate part is spammers, and
                  > advertising as a whole has seen it as a way to exploit the users with
                  > unwanted garbage arriving on our screens and mailboxes daily. In
                  > turn,some very good solutions have been invented to block this trash
                  > and insure the Internet doesn't become clogged tight with commercial spew.
                  >
                  > At 18:57 9/17/2006, you wrote:
                  > >Well there is lotsa genral information about these things. I mean those
                  > >of us who have worked for the government or contractors know that a lot
                  > >of the stuff is duller than films, movies and imagination make them.
                  > >Another interesting thing is the network we used sprung out of all the
                  > >coldwar stuff. In fact, the reason that it is hard to really fully kill
                  > >spam, or make the net totally kid safe or whatever the current bugaboo,
                  > >is because it wasn't designed to be reasonly controlled. It was supposed
                  > >to be used after the great nuclear war, which luckily hasn't happened.
                  > >Uh, remember that was another that was said to "not a matter of if but
                  > >when" sort of topic. Overall this design has worked and made an
                  > >interestring if somewhat anarchistic network. It is interesting that
                  > >things designed for nuclear war protection like those fallout shelters
                  > >ofter made/still make good natural disaster shelters. So it's not all
                  > >bad or scary Of course I wonder if Adam Curtis who did the BBC 3 part
                  > >series "The Power of Nightmares" is correct in saying that just as the
                  > >overly optimistic beliefs of the past weren't true and faded the
                  > >"Terrorism Nightmares" will fade too. Only time will tell.
                  > >
                  > >Have Fun,
                  > >Sends Steve
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
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                  >
                  >




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                • Albert LaFrance
                  ... From: blitz To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union &
                  Message 8 of 9 , Sep 21, 2006
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "blitz" <blitz@...>
                    To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:45 PM
                    Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather


                    > You can thank your lucky stars the Internet was constructed the way
                    > it is. It not only protects from outages, but automatically thwarts
                    > political mischief, police-state antics, and repressive government
                    > interference as well. The unfortunate part is spammers, and
                    > advertising as a whole has seen it as a way to exploit the users with
                    > unwanted garbage arriving on our screens and mailboxes daily. In
                    > turn,some very good solutions have been invented to block this trash
                    > and insure the Internet doesn't become clogged tight with commercial spew.
                    >
                    >
                    > At 18:57 9/17/2006, you wrote:
                    > >Well there is lotsa genral information about these things. I mean those
                    > >of us who have worked for the government or contractors know that a lot
                    > >of the stuff is duller than films, movies and imagination make them.
                    > >Another interesting thing is the network we used sprung out of all the
                    > >coldwar stuff. In fact, the reason that it is hard to really fully kill
                    > >spam, or make the net totally kid safe or whatever the current bugaboo,
                    > >is because it wasn't designed to be reasonly controlled. It was supposed
                    > >to be used after the great nuclear war, which luckily hasn't happened.
                    > >Uh, remember that was another that was said to "not a matter of if but
                    > >when" sort of topic. Overall this design has worked and made an
                    > >interestring if somewhat anarchistic network. It is interesting that
                    > >things designed for nuclear war protection like those fallout shelters
                    > >ofter made/still make good natural disaster shelters. So it's not all
                    > >bad or scary Of course I wonder if Adam Curtis who did the BBC 3 part
                    > >series "The Power of Nightmares" is correct in saying that just as the
                    > >overly optimistic beliefs of the past weren't true and faded the
                    > >"Terrorism Nightmares" will fade too. Only time will tell.
                    > >
                    > >Have Fun,
                    > >Sends Steve
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
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                    >
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                  • Albert LaFrance
                    ... From: Steve To: Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western
                    Message 9 of 9 , Sep 21, 2006
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Steve" <steve.kudlak@...>
                      To: <coldwarcomms@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:57 PM
                      Subject: Re: [coldwarcomms] Western Union & Mt Weather


                      > Well there is lotsa genral information about these things. I mean those
                      > of us who have worked for the government or contractors know that a lot
                      > of the stuff is duller than films, movies and imagination make them.
                      > Another interesting thing is the network we used sprung out of all the
                      > coldwar stuff. In fact, the reason that it is hard to really fully kill
                      > spam, or make the net totally kid safe or whatever the current bugaboo,
                      > is because it wasn't designed to be reasonly controlled. It was supposed
                      > to be used after the great nuclear war, which luckily hasn't happened.
                      > Uh, remember that was another that was said to "not a matter of if but
                      > when" sort of topic. Overall this design has worked and made an
                      > interestring if somewhat anarchistic network. It is interesting that
                      > things designed for nuclear war protection like those fallout shelters
                      > ofter made/still make good natural disaster shelters. So it's not all
                      > bad or scary Of course I wonder if Adam Curtis who did the BBC 3 part
                      > series "The Power of Nightmares" is correct in saying that just as the
                      > overly optimistic beliefs of the past weren't true and faded the
                      > "Terrorism Nightmares" will fade too. Only time will tell.
                      >
                      > Have Fun,
                      > Sends Steve
                      >
                      >
                      >
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