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  • leonikotze
    Dear Walid It is difficult to answer your question, because I am not quite sure exactly why you want to determine the ML. Are you aiming to do a grammatical
    Message 1 of 7 , Jul 13, 2012
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      Dear Walid

      It is difficult to answer your question, because I am not quite sure exactly why you want to determine the ML. Are you aiming to do a grammatical analysis of your CS data? If you are looking at social meaning, and you find that the MLF is problematic, you could get around it by describing your data as a result/the outcome of, say, languages X, Y and Z, See in this regard Auer, P. (1984). "Bilingual Conversation". Amsterdam: John Benjamins. in his discussion about the problems re the term 'code'. You could then analyze the function/role of the different languages (or combination thereof) in contributing to the establishment of meaningful communication, without having to determine what the ML (or IL) is. This might mean that you have to choose another framework for your analysis, but you could also discuss in your dissertation what problems you experience with the MLF and suggest an alternative. I hope I make sense. Tell us a bit more about your aims, maybe we can offer some other solutions as well.


      Best
      Leoni Kotze

      --- In code-switching@yahoogroups.com, "Walid" <walid_5890@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hi all,
      > First of all, many thanks to those who helped me in choosing my model of analysis, especially doctors: Adam Blaxter, Leoni Kotze, Mark Sebba, Alia Amir and MAGNO. I found that MLF model is the most suitable for analyzing codeswitching in my written Personal ads. However, I could not solve the problem of Islands which MYERS-SCOTTON mentioned in her model. Thus, I followed the Chinese study in considering the language of more words in the personal ad as the Matrix language (ML) and treated all syntactical parts related to the Embedded Language (EL) as codeswitched. I considered any number of noun or adjective phrases or block of sentences related to EL as CS.
      > My question is: is my method of counting any frequence of phrases and sentences related to EL as codeswitched correct?
      >
      > Your help is appreciated
      >
      > Walid Hassan
      > MA student at El_fayoum University
      >
    • ngoie irene
      Bonjour Monsieur Sebastien je suis heureuse de vous lire. je suis d accord avec vous moi aussi j ai eu les mêmes difficultés lors de mon mémoire de Master.
      Message 2 of 7 , Jul 26, 2012
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        Bonjour Monsieur Sebastien
        je suis heureuse de vous lire. je suis d'accord avec vous moi aussi j ai eu les mêmes difficultés lors de mon mémoire de Master. Le livre de Karima Ziamari , que je salue d'ailleurs en passant,m' a aidé à trouver la solution. le  MLFa des limites.
        Irène ngoie kyungu
        Université de Lubumbashi
        République Démocratique du Congo

        --- En date de : Mar 10.7.12, KITENGYE SOKONI SEBASTIEN <kitengyesokoni@...> a écrit :

        De: KITENGYE SOKONI SEBASTIEN <kitengyesokoni@...>
        Objet: Re: [code-switching] Concerning MLF Model
        À: "code-switching@yahoogroups.com" <code-switching@yahoogroups.com>
        Date: Mardi 10 juillet 2012, 17h50
















         









        Je m'excuse de prendre le débat peut-être au milieu. La méthode choisie est correcte mais il faut l'appliquer avec beaucoup de prudence car l'asymétrie entre  les morphèmes des langues en présence peut s'avérer trompeuse  et que la langue dont les morphèmes sont les plus fréquents ne puissent être perçue comme la langue matrice. J'ai rencontré des problèmes similaires lors de la rédaction de ma thèse de doctorat. Aussi ai-je pensé d'enrichir le MLF modèle par la TST. Cela m'a permis de modulariser le modèle de la langue matrice grâce à la théorie de dépendance et aux modules de la TST. J'ai observé que là où le dénombrement des morphèmes peut poser problème, la clarté apporté par les types de relation syntaxique, les modules syntaxiques et morphologiques surtout ainsi que les règles topologiques déterminent clairement où se trouve la langue matrice. Ainsi, j'ai pu réunir l'ensemble du modèle sous ce que
        j'appelle

        "MODREM" (MODularisation, RElations syntaxiques et Mlf). (voir un exemple de cette application dans http://mtt.upf.edu/mtt2009/21-SKitengyeSokoni.pdf

        Salutation cordiale à tous.

        Sebastien KITENGYE SKONI

        Kinshasa

        République Démocratique du Congo



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        De : Walid <walid_5890@...>

        À : code-switching@yahoogroups.com

        Envoyé le : Mardi 10 juillet 2012 9h43

        Objet : [code-switching] Concerning MLF Model



         

        Hi all,

        First of all, many thanks to those who helped me in choosing my model of analysis, especially doctors: Adam Blaxter, Leoni Kotze, Mark Sebba, Alia Amir and MAGNO. I found that MLF model is the most suitable for analyzing codeswitching in my written Personal ads. However, I could not solve the problem of Islands which MYERS-SCOTTON mentioned in her model. Thus, I followed the Chinese study in considering the language of more words in the personal ad as the Matrix language (ML) and treated all syntactical parts related to the Embedded Language (EL) as codeswitched. I considered any number of noun or adjective phrases or block of sentences related to EL as CS.

        My question is: is my method of counting any frequence of phrases and sentences related to EL as codeswitched correct?



        Your help is appreciated



        Walid Hassan

        MA student at El_fayoum University



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