- Dear All I read leoni s mail about code switching in south africa where there are many languages used in the daily conversation. It is the same case in myMessage 1 of 5 , Jan 15, 2008View SourceDear All
I read leoni's mail about code switching in south africa where there
are many languages used in the daily conversation. It is the same case
in my country, Indonesia. Our official language is Indonesian.
However, every provinces have their own vernacular languages. One of
the vernacular language that are largely spoken is Javanese. It is
very interesting since Javanese has speech levels (Standard-Honorific).
Now, consider the example of code switching. Ahmad, my friend, is not
a javanese. The first time he went to traditional market, he bought
something very expensive, let us say Rp. 150.000 or $ 15. He spoke to
the salesperson Indonesian. One year after that, Ahmad began to be
able to speak Javanese clearly, even in Honorific style. Then, he went
to the same store, with the same salesperson, bought the same thing
and the price get much cheaper! Rp.30.000 or only $3. After i
confirmed him, he told me that he used Javanese in honorific style. So
you see, Ahmad got advantage of doing code switching. Because when he
used javanese, the salesperson will think that they are in similar
group. As an analogy, for a boat ride in Sanur Bali, foerign tourists
are charged more expensive than domestic ones. That was just the same
cas as Ahmad's
- Thanks for your reply, Chad. I feel exactly the way you do about the Markedness Model. The problem with the motivation part, as you so aptly point out, is thatMessage 2 of 5 , Jan 17, 2008View SourceThanks for your reply, Chad.
I feel exactly the way you do about the Markedness Model.
The problem with the motivation part, as you so aptly point out, is that we
simply dont know. It remains a problem.
Back to the drawing board . . .
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- Hello, Just a thought about this discussion on motivation in language alternation and choices . I wouldn t say that language usages are all automatic andMessage 3 of 5 , Jan 21, 2008View SourceHello,
Just a thought about this discussion on "motivation" in language
alternation and "choices". I wouldn't say that language usages are all
automatic and subconscious. There are clearly cases of planned language
choice. But "motivation" is a psychological notion (such as
"accommodation") which asks about a 'Why', whereas discourse and
conversation analysts ask about a conversational 'What for'. This 'What
for' is not psychological, though, but discursive and interactional. And
whereas we can claim that the What for (the conversational "orientation" or
disposition to do this or that in terms of tasks at hand) also lies somehow
in the speaker's mind (in the speaker's cognitive context about
conversation itself, where else could it be?), one thing is to search for
it as if it resided there prior to conversation and in the form of
determining factors, and another thing is to *reach* this context and
achieve its reconstruction after having examined discourse-in-itself.
I think it's and old story, and the stance one takes depends on the
explanatory power we assign (or prefer to assign, on the basis of
specialization and other disciplinary routines) to Mind, to Discourse, or
to Society, the three elements present, for example, in Teun A. Van Dijk's
models of ideology, discourse, and context(s).
Celso Alvarez Cáccamo
At 21:05 17-01-2008 +0200, you wrote:
>Thanks for your reply, Chad.
>I feel exactly the way you do about the Markedness Model.
>The problem with the motivation part, as you so aptly point out, is that we
>simply dont know. It remains a problem.
>Back to the drawing board . . .
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