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RE: [clubpuck] Todd, the rookie

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  • Brian Tucker
    I think people are focusing to much on the Rookie in the pool. Most people who are taking it out on a newbie are not doing so on purpose. What seperates a top
    Message 1 of 14 , Feb 7, 2007
      I think people are focusing to much on the Rookie in the pool. Most people who are taking it out on a newbie are not doing so on purpose. What seperates a top player from a midlevel or greenie is the heads up awareness of play. Most low level hockey is like 6 year old soccer. Everyone is focused on the puck. The only thing they notice is the stick (when it is on the puck). No matter what the "experience" level we can all work on playing heads up. People need to be encouraged to continue to improve their game.
        We also had a rookie last night in Sebastapol. He was not allowed to play very much and also had a person kick out of a curl and break his mask (my mask) and give him a bloody nose. We had this discussion after the game.

      Happy Hockey
      Brian




    • John Fischer
      We might want to experament with different colored sticks for rookies. It isn t going to matter which team they are on in the begining and we could just use on
      Message 2 of 14 , Feb 7, 2007
        We might want to experament with different colored sticks for rookies. It isn't going to matter which team they are on in the begining and we could just use on color for all rookies. With the cloudy water last night it wasn't easy to see that they had the " rookies sticks" the way they are marked now. I will paint a couple of old stick to see if we can come up with a better color.

        Fish


        -----Original Message-----
        From: rgray35711@...
        Sent: Feb 7, 2007 10:55 AM
        To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Todd, the rookie

        Brigit,

            This was  a BIG mistake on everybody's part last night (except Todd's, he didn't do anything wrong).    There are two minor mitigating circumstances that, while they do not excuse the team's behavior, do help us to understand it a little.   Maybe we can improve it.

        1)  Many of us were unaware of the issue at all.    We were just in different parts of the play when it happened or did not hear your complaints.

        2) Todd looks  and has a pool "presence" much larger than his skills (perhaps it's good breeding).

            But I am not trying to excuse what happened!!! This kind of behavior is what makes us good fodder for the cover of AARP but does not help to increase the team size or improve the overall level of play in the US by bringing in new, young blood. 

            If you ignore Terry's second paragraph, then read the rest of his email while squinting and concentrating very hard, you find he makes a very valid point.

            Please give us another chance!  In this situation make sure that the team captain's on both sides know the situation.  Don't bother with the knucklehead team leaders but go right to someone with authority... ... like.......Maddy. ....... well maybe we could hire someone with authority.

            And to the rest of us.... SHOW SOME RESTRAINT!  Take a look at the long picture and not just getting your hockey rocks off for another 15 seconds.  There has been improvement in this  area but obviosly not enough.  If you are not the culprit yourself then you have to counsel the rest of the people on your team in proper handling of a less skilled player.

        Goze

        PS  Maybe we could draw a big "NO BASH" sign on Todd or a red circle with a line going through a picture of Stuart James throttling some poor guy.
         
        -----Original Message-----
        From: hockeybrigit@ comcast.net
        To: clubpuck@yahoogroup s.com
        Sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:53 PM
        Subject: [clubpuck] Todd, the rookie

        I was disappointed tonight in the lack of attention to our newest rookie, Todd.  His parents have played hockey all of his life and he finally decided that he'd like to try it tonight.  As a 12 year old and his first time to play, with a rookie stick in his hand, he was not granted a single play where he could play with the puck until he was out of air.  It was swiped from him again and again, and even when he was in front of the goal, you guys thought you had to show your male prowess and send down a mob to greet him and grant him no goal.  Does it inflate your ego nicely to give a 12 year old first timer no breaks?  Does he have to be a small little thing or flailing like a lame duck before you back off, or are you afraid you won't get your $10 worth if you slow down?  I know that sometimes an accidental steal happens when a rookie gets into a fast moving mob, but there were plenty of opportunities to see who it was that had the puck and adjust your play for a few seconds.
         
        Unfortunately, Todd had to stop early because he had calf cramps, but I was sick to my stomach to think that this might have been the one and only time he would try this sport.  He had great bottom positioning, moved the puck nicely, and had decent bottom time.  I'd love to see him come back, and after talking to him on the way home, I think he might come back.  I sure hope we can show him more courtesy the next time.
         
        Brigit

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      • Sean Avent
        On Helen s note, couldn t Puck just say there s one rookie priority pool on either Tues or Thursday. That s enough to get someone hooked. Sparky
        Message 3 of 14 , Feb 7, 2007
          On Helen's note, couldn't Puck just say there's one rookie priority pool on either Tues or Thursday.  That's enough to get someone hooked.
           
          Sparky
        • Hutzel, Tiffany N
          Ok so it s been awhile since I ve been in the pool, but I wanted to speak from my experience as a rookie. The game is very intimidating when you first come to
          Message 4 of 14 , Feb 7, 2007

            Ok so it’s been awhile since I’ve been in the pool, but I wanted to speak from my experience as a rookie.  The game is very intimidating when you first come to the pool and find people who have been playing the game for so long, but it definitely helped when I heard people after the game come up and offer support and ask if I would come back and play again.  That definitely eased my mind that Clubpuck was genuinely interested in developing new players and not looking at me like “you suck…don’t ever come back.”  In later games, I was also appreciative of comments from more experienced players (like Brigit) offering tips and advice.  Greg even offered to help me with dives to the bottom so I wouldn’t be out of breath so much before practice a few times.  I think things like that really help a rookie not feel like such a green fish in the water and get addicted really easy.  It also made me feel good when people eased up and let me score a few times…man it feels great to make a goal!

             

            However, I do think it is hard to identify people under water so a different colored stick or cap might be helpful.  I think for me the most confusing or intimidating thing was going down in the middle of plays because I didn’t fully understand my role and was afraid of letting down my team and just ended up observing a lot.  (disclaimer: I’d never played on team sports before and didn’t understand how team formations work and the role of forwards, mids, and backs).  But I really do want to thank everyone in ClubPuck for making me feel always welcome and encouraging me to develop my skills and become a better player. 

             

            With that being said, now that my shoulder’s doing much better and my schedule’s freed up – I’m hoping to start getting back into the pool more on a regular basis and am even trying to convince my boyfriend to come out with me…so please go ahead and bring on the red caps and colored sticks!

             

            Tiffany

             


            From: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com [mailto: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of John Fischer
            Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:41 AM
            To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Todd, the rookie

             

            We might want to experament with different colored sticks for rookies. It isn't going to matter which team they are on in the begining and we could just use on color for all rookies. With the cloudy water last night it wasn't easy to see that they had the " rookies sticks" the way they are marked now. I will paint a couple of old stick to see if we can come up with a better color.

            Fish

            -----Original Message-----
            From: rgray35711@aim. com
            Sent: Feb 7, 2007 10:55 AM
            To: clubpuck@yahoogroup s.com
            Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Todd, the rookie


            Brigit,

                This was  a BIG mistake on everybody's part last night (except Todd's, he didn't do anything wrong).    There are two minor mitigating circumstances that, while they do not excuse the team's behavior, do help us to understand it a little.   Maybe we can improve it.

            1)  Many of us were unaware of the issue at all.    We were just in different parts of the play when it happened or did not hear your complaints.

            2) Todd looks  and has a pool "presence" much larger than his skills (perhaps it's good breeding).

                But I am not trying to excuse what happened!!! This kind of behavior is what makes us good fodder for the cover of AARP but does not help to increase the team size or improve the overall level of play in the US by bringing in new, young blood. 

                If you ignore Terry's second paragraph, then read the rest of his email while squinting and concentrating very hard, you find he makes a very valid point.

                Please give us another chance!  In this situation make sure that the team captain's on both sides know the situation.  Don't bother with the knucklehead team leaders but go right to someone with authority... ... like.......Maddy. ....... well maybe we could hire someone with authority.

                And to the rest of us.... SHOW SOME RESTRAINT!  Take a look at the long picture and not just getting your hockey rocks off for another 15 seconds.  There has been improvement in this  area but obviosly not enough.  If you are not the culprit yourself then you have to counsel the rest of the people on your team in proper handling of a less skilled player.

            Goze

            PS  Maybe we could draw a big "NO BASH" sign on Todd or a red circle with a line going through a picture of Stuart James throttling some poor guy.

             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: hockeybrigit@ comcast.net
            To: clubpuck@yahoogroup s.com
            Sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:53 PM
            Subject: [clubpuck] Todd, the rookie

            I was disappointed tonight in the lack of attention to our newest rookie, Todd.  His parents have played hockey all of his life and he finally decided that he'd like to try it tonight.  As a 12 year old and his first time to play, with a rookie stick in his hand, he was not granted a single play where he could play with the puck until he was out of air.  It was swiped from him again and again, and even when he was in front of the goal, you guys thought you had to show your male prowess and send down a mob to greet him and grant him no goal.  Does it inflate your ego nicely to give a 12 year old first timer no breaks?  Does he have to be a small little thing or flailing like a lame duck before you back off, or are you afraid you won't get your $10 worth if you slow down?  I know that sometimes an accidental steal happens when a rookie gets into a fast moving mob, but there were plenty of opportunities to see who it was that had the puck and adjust your play for a few seconds.

             

            Unfortunately, Todd had to stop early because he had calf cramps, but I was sick to my stomach to think that this might have been the one and only time he would try this sport.  He had great bottom positioning, moved the puck nicely, and had decent bottom time.  I'd love to see him come back, and after talking to him on the way home, I think he might come back.  I sure hope we can show him more courtesy the next time.

             

            Brigit


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          • PETER TAYLOR
            One (or more) year(s) ago, I donated a can of flourescent spray paint to be used to designate rookie equipment. I brought it to the pool, so it may be in the
            Message 5 of 14 , Feb 7, 2007
              One (or more) year(s) ago, I donated a can of
              flourescent spray paint to be used to designate rookie
              equipment. I brought it to the pool, so it may be in
              the locker.

              --- John Fischer <cabinetworksco@...> wrote:


              ---------------------------------

              We might want to experament with different colored
              sticks for rookies. It isn't going to matter which
              team they are on in the begining and we could just use
              on color for all rookies. With the cloudy water last
              night it wasn't easy to see that they had the "
              rookies sticks" the way they are marked now. I will
              paint a couple of old stick to see if we can come up
              with a better color.

              Fish


              -----Original Message-----
              From: rgray35711@...
              Sent: Feb 7, 2007 10:55 AM
              To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Todd, the rookie



              Brigit,

              This was a BIG mistake on everybody's part last
              night (except Todd's, he didn't do anything wrong).
              There are two minor mitigating circumstances that,
              while they do not excuse the team's behavior, do help
              us to understand it a little. Maybe we can improve
              it.

              1) Many of us were unaware of the issue at all. We
              were just in different parts of the play when it
              happened or did not hear your complaints.

              2) Todd looks and has a pool "presence" much larger
              than his skills (perhaps it's good breeding).

              But I am not trying to excuse what happened!!!
              This kind of behavior is what makes us good fodder for
              the cover of AARP but does not help to increase the
              team size or improve the overall level of play in the
              US by bringing in new, young blood.

              If you ignore Terry's second paragraph, then read
              the rest of his email while squinting and
              concentrating very hard, you find he makes a very
              valid point.

              Please give us another chance! In this situation
              make sure that the team captain's on both sides know
              the situation. Don't bother with the knucklehead team
              leaders but go right to someone with authority......
              like.......Maddy........ well maybe we could hire
              someone with authority.

              And to the rest of us.... SHOW SOME RESTRAINT!
              Take a look at the long picture and not just getting
              your hockey rocks off for another 15 seconds. There
              has been improvement in this area but obviosly not
              enough. If you are not the culprit yourself then you
              have to counsel the rest of the people on your team in
              proper handling of a less skilled player.

              Goze

              PS Maybe we could draw a big "NO BASH" sign on Todd
              or a red circle with a line going through a picture of
              Stuart James throttling some poor guy.


              -----Original Message-----
              From: hockeybrigit@...
              To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:53 PM
              Subject: [clubpuck] Todd, the rookie


              I was disappointed tonight in the lack of attention to
              our newest rookie, Todd. His parents have played
              hockey all of his life and he finally decided that
              he'd like to try it tonight. As a 12 year old and his
              first time to play, with a rookie stick in his hand,
              he was not granted a single play where he could play
              with the puck until he was out of air. It was swiped
              from him again and again, and even when he was in
              front of the goal, you guys thought you had to show
              your male prowess and send down a mob to greet him and
              grant him no goal. Does it inflate your ego nicely to
              give a 12 year old first timer no breaks? Does he
              have to be a small little thing or flailing like a
              lame duck before you back off, or are you afraid you
              won't get your $10 worth if you slow down? I know
              that sometimes an accidental steal happens when a
              rookie gets into a fast moving mob, but there were
              plenty of opportunities to see who it was that had the
              puck and adjust your play for a few seconds.

              Unfortunately, Todd had to stop early because he had
              calf cramps, but I was sick to my stomach to think
              that this might have been the one and only time he
              would try this sport. He had great bottom
              positioning, moved the puck nicely, and had decent
              bottom time. I'd love to see him come back, and after
              talking to him on the way home, I think he might come
              back. I sure hope we can show him more courtesy the
              next time.

              Brigit




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