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Rookies and our treatment of them

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  • Doug Roth
    Do I really need to say more. It turns out the two young guys that recently came and played then came and almost played, left because of something someone
    Message 1 of 25 , Mar 26, 2005
      Do I really need to say more. It turns out the two young guys that
      recently came and played then came and almost played, left because of
      something someone said. I think it was "let's go." But seriously, I think
      we need to find a way to make all rookie experiences pleasant at worst. We
      can have 9 people all helping and doing positive things and just one that
      turns someone off to the sport and then we've lost them. I don't believe
      that limiting what you say or who says it is even possible, but everyone
      should be cautious that what you would say to me, or Yo or Craig or Monika
      (if she ever comes back) or any of the regulars, may not be taken the same
      way by a rookie. Even stuff not directed at them can affect their
      perception of the sport. Make it fun for them, not remind them of their
      days as a crappy soccer player who had the coach telling them what to do
      all the time. (the story depicted here is fictional and in no way is meant
      to represent anyone on our team)

      Perhaps we could follow SF's lead and have a rookie practice. We could
      pick a Sunday and start them at 4 so they are guaranteed to have time in
      the water before getting thrown to the sharks. They could play for half an
      hour where we focus on them getting into the action. Then we can cut them
      off and have a regular practice for the rest of us. Who knows, maybe we
      can get enough to have a full rookie game. We could put an add in the
      Spartan Daily, use Craig's list the way Sean has, and maybe put up signs
      at the pool. With the better weather coming and more people sitting on
      deck around the pool, we might have a great opportunity to grow our club.
      Anyone want to volunteer to actually organize something and make sure it
      gets done?

      Duck




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    • Terry Sutton
      I think a rookie night is definitely what s needed. First, it gives the rookies a chance to start playing around against others not experienced in using a
      Message 2 of 25 , Mar 26, 2005
        I think a rookie night is definitely what's needed. First, it gives the
        rookies a chance to start playing around against others not experienced in
        using a snorkel to catch quick breaths and trying to swim back down to the
        bottom (which is what rookies tend to focus on their first practice, not
        getting into position or curling or hitting the puck). And the non-rookies
        involved in the effort are there to concentrate totally on what the rookies
        need, not on getting the green/orange game balanced or whatever. The
        practice I was at 10 days ago had 3 rookies in the green/orange game, which
        left the game itself as a 5-on-4 (not counting rookies), so the non-rookies
        were trying to play a short-handed game and help the rookies a bit, etc. To
        be fair to the rookies they need more time in a learning environment, not a
        thrown-to-the-wolves environment.

        Another idea I propose is that the person who brings the rookie stays with
        that rookie all night (if the rookie stays for the main games). If Yori
        brings a new person, he plays green (or whatever) on the same team as the
        rookie. That way the rookie has both a dedicated "handler" as well as a
        friend around. This seems much better than the approach of "here's your
        game, I gotta go over with the big dogs". I just used Yori's name as
        example of a person bringing a new person, not because he doesn't help them.
        In fact, Yori is one of the few people who spends a little time with any
        rookies before practice to show them basics. At least if they're female.
        :-)

        I suggested this a few years back and was told by one of our "most
        respected" leaders that "if we did that, no one would bring any new people".
        Well, if that's the case, then the club deserves to suffer from its lack of
        new players. I don't really think that most people who bring new players
        would be opposed to losing one night in the "A" game each time they bring
        someone. Most people wouldn't lose one night a year anyway. I doubt even
        the most enthusiastic recruiter brings 4 people a year (and the club has
        ~150 practices/year).

        --T

        > Do I really need to say more. It turns out the two young guys that
        > recently came and played then came and almost played, left because of
        > something someone said. I think it was "let's go." But seriously, I think
        > we need to find a way to make all rookie experiences pleasant at worst. We
        > can have 9 people all helping and doing positive things and just one that
        > turns someone off to the sport and then we've lost them. I don't believe
        > that limiting what you say or who says it is even possible, but everyone
        > should be cautious that what you would say to me, or Yo or Craig or Monika
        > (if she ever comes back) or any of the regulars, may not be taken the same
        > way by a rookie. Even stuff not directed at them can affect their
        > perception of the sport. Make it fun for them, not remind them of their
        > days as a crappy soccer player who had the coach telling them what to do
        > all the time. (the story depicted here is fictional and in no way is meant
        > to represent anyone on our team)
        >
        > Perhaps we could follow SF's lead and have a rookie practice. We could
        > pick a Sunday and start them at 4 so they are guaranteed to have time in
        > the water before getting thrown to the sharks. They could play for half an
        > hour where we focus on them getting into the action. Then we can cut them
        > off and have a regular practice for the rest of us. Who knows, maybe we
        > can get enough to have a full rookie game. We could put an add in the
        > Spartan Daily, use Craig's list the way Sean has, and maybe put up signs
        > at the pool. With the better weather coming and more people sitting on
        > deck around the pool, we might have a great opportunity to grow our club.
        > Anyone want to volunteer to actually organize something and make sure it
        > gets done?
        >
        > Duck
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      • Jason Zvanut
        Our first rookie night was well received, in my opinion. We had 4 newbs and 4 regulars, if memory serves me. We focused on some skills and drills for the
        Message 3 of 25 , Mar 26, 2005
          Our first rookie night was well received, in my
          opinion. We had 4 newbs and 4 regulars, if memory
          serves me. We focused on some skills and drills for
          the first 45 min., with each regular taking a newb as
          their protege, like Terry's suggestion. It worked
          well once we put a game together: 3-on-3 with two
          newbs up front and a reg in back. They really went at
          it and each had some time to scrap for the puck, swim
          it around a bit, and score.

          We "lose" one night a month, but I think I speak for
          the majority when I say it's worth it. We are now
          working on acquiring some gear, and are planning a
          "gear party" to make gloves, sticks, etc. for newbies
          that need it. Too much gear walks away, so we plan to
          mark everything in some hideous permanent way to make
          sure it's there when newbies arrive.

          Dunno if all this will work to retain players, but
          it's a start.

          jason



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        • Jennifer Semans
          I have to agree with Terry on this. As a fellow rookie /green team contender, its a intimidating game on the bottom. Not only are you learning to use your
          Message 4 of 25 , Mar 27, 2005
            I have to agree with Terry on this. As a fellow 'rookie'/green team contender, its a intimidating game on the bottom. Not only are you learning to use your gear, meanwhile taking in water like nobody's business, but you are also trying to maintain your position so as not to be the 'weakest link' on the team. All too often we focus so much on what the score is...this is suppossed to be a practice, where one comes to gain fitness and skills.  I, luckily, had my father to keep nagging me to play so it was hard to say no (Dad's are good at that :)  But to be honest, there were many times I would have stopped coming had it not been for him. 
             
            This brings another thought to mind. Often during the course of a game very few words are said, and if they are, it is typically negative.  As a coach, I get frustrated with this mode of operation. People, especially rookies, need feedback. We cannot be expected to advance if there is no coaching.  Now I know that people often do not want to hear what they did wrong, and I know that giving a player constructive coaching is hard.  But as long as you hear something postive about your play, than that is what keeps you coming back. This is where I have to thank Brigit. Often she will critique my play telling me all (well maybe not all) the things I could improve upon and how to fix it.  But what really matters is when she tells me I've finally done it right. That is what makes the game worth it.
             
            Equally, I would like to see the 'big dogs, take a little responsibility on this one. Firstly, on a night when three newbies show up we split into two games; intermediate to beginners on one side and intermediate to advanced on the other. Why is this?  Do the advanced players expect beginners themselves to teach a game they barely have a handle on themselves. The most qualified to teach the game are those that never even venture to our side of the pool.   
             
            I guess this would mean that we would need a rookie night or perhaps a rookie hour before games start up.  I also propose that during the course of games, we take more time to talk as a team. Talk about who did what right and wrong, what to do differently or the same, and so on.  We have to be open to teaching just as much as we need to be open to criticism.
             
            Jennifer   
            ----- Original Message -----
            Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:37 PM
            Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them

            I think a rookie night is definitely what's needed.  First, it gives the
            rookies a chance to start playing around against others not experienced in
            using a snorkel to catch quick breaths and trying to swim back down to the
            bottom (which is what rookies tend to focus on their first practice, not
            getting into position or curling or hitting the puck).  And the non-rookies
            involved in the effort are there to concentrate totally on what the rookies
            need, not on getting the green/orange game balanced or whatever.  The
            practice I was at 10 days ago had 3 rookies in the green/orange game, which
            left the game itself as a 5-on-4 (not counting rookies), so the non-rookies
            were trying to play a short-handed game and help the rookies a bit, etc.  To
            be fair to the rookies they need more time in a learning environment, not a
            thrown-to-the-wolves environment.

            Another idea I propose is that the person who brings the rookie stays with
            that rookie all night (if the rookie stays for the main games).  If Yori
            brings a new person, he plays green (or whatever) on the same team as the
            rookie.  That way the rookie has both a dedicated "handler" as well as a
            friend around.  This seems much better than the approach of "here's your
            game, I gotta go over with the big dogs".  I just used Yori's name as
            example of a person bringing a new person, not because he doesn't help them.
            In fact, Yori is one of the few people who spends a little time with any
            rookies before practice to show them basics.  At least if they're female.
            :-)

            I suggested this a few years back and was told by one of our "most
            respected" leaders that "if we did that, no one would bring any new people".
            Well, if that's the case, then the club deserves to suffer from its lack of
            new players.  I don't really think that most people who bring new players
            would be opposed to losing one night in the "A" game each time they bring
            someone.  Most people wouldn't lose one night a year anyway.  I doubt even
            the most enthusiastic recruiter brings 4 people a year (and the club has
            ~150 practices/year).

            --T

            > Do I really need to say more. It turns out the two young guys that
            > recently came and played then came and almost played, left because of
            > something someone said. I think it was "let's go." But seriously, I think
            > we need to find a way to make all rookie experiences pleasant at worst. We
            > can have 9 people all helping and doing positive things and just one that
            > turns someone off to the sport and then we've lost them. I don't believe
            > that limiting what you say or who says it is even possible, but everyone
            > should be cautious that what you would say to me, or Yo or Craig or Monika
            > (if she ever comes back) or any of the regulars, may not be taken the same
            > way by a rookie. Even stuff not directed at them can affect their
            > perception of the sport. Make it fun for them, not remind them of their
            > days as a crappy soccer player who had the coach telling them what to do
            > all the time. (the story depicted here is fictional and in no way is meant
            > to represent anyone on our team)
            >
            > Perhaps we could follow SF's lead and have a rookie practice. We could
            > pick a Sunday and start them at 4 so they are guaranteed to have time in
            > the water before getting thrown to the sharks. They could play for half an
            > hour where we focus on them getting into the action. Then we can cut them
            > off and have a regular practice for the rest of us. Who knows, maybe we
            > can get enough to have a full rookie game. We could put an add in the
            > Spartan Daily, use Craig's list the way Sean has, and maybe put up signs
            > at the pool. With the better weather coming and more people sitting on
            > deck around the pool, we might have a great opportunity to grow our club.
            > Anyone want to volunteer to actually organize something and make sure it
            > gets done?
            >
            > Duck
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          • Gregory Appling
            I guess since I ve lived through this in Charleston I can add my 1.5 cents. Charleston as a club almost died out a couple times because of lack of new players.
            Message 5 of 25 , Mar 28, 2005
              I guess since I've lived through this in Charleston I can add my 1.5 cents.

              Charleston as a club almost died out a couple times because of lack of new
              players. The new players are what's keeping the hotel hockey in San
              Francisco going. The difference is club puck is larger and has a lot of
              different needs then a smaller club. But if it doesn't focus on rookies the
              numbers will continue to go down.

              I agree that a club puck "Rookie Day" is a great idea but it shouldn't stop
              at 4:30 for regular play but should run at least till 5:30pm so they get
              some play time. I'm not saying cut the regular hockey practice down but for
              at least the first hour of practice they should still be a big focus of the
              practice.

              I will be happy to work on this, If that is what the club agrees that it
              wants to do. I would like someone else to help out with it as well.

              For it to really work like it does in San Francisco a few things need to
              happen:

              1. It needs to be the same Sunday each month.

              2. You have to have a Rookie Dictator that rules on rookie day. Sean runs
              the Rookie practice in the city and what he says goes on that day and
              everything works great.

              3. You need lots of teachers. You need at least one teach per rookie. So the
              organizer has to know how many rookies to expect on any give sunday

              4. During play only the teacher of that rookie should teach. To many people
              teaching confuses the player.


              So if the club wants this to happen let me know.

              gregory


              Gregory Appling
              827 Cabrillo St
              San Francisco, CA 94118-3606
              cell 843.367.3609




              >From: "Jennifer Semans" <jensemans@...>
              >Reply-To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
              >To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
              >Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
              >Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:22:48 -0800
              >
              >I have to agree with Terry on this. As a fellow 'rookie'/green team
              >contender, its a intimidating game on the bottom. Not only are you learning
              >to use your gear, meanwhile taking in water like nobody's business, but you
              >are also trying to maintain your position so as not to be the 'weakest
              >link' on the team. All too often we focus so much on what the score
              >is...this is suppossed to be a practice, where one comes to gain fitness
              >and skills. I, luckily, had my father to keep nagging me to play so it was
              >hard to say no (Dad's are good at that :) But to be honest, there were
              >many times I would have stopped coming had it not been for him.
              >
              >This brings another thought to mind. Often during the course of a game very
              >few words are said, and if they are, it is typically negative. As a coach,
              >I get frustrated with this mode of operation. People, especially rookies,
              >need feedback. We cannot be expected to advance if there is no coaching.
              >Now I know that people often do not want to hear what they did wrong, and I
              >know that giving a player constructive coaching is hard. But as long as
              >you hear something postive about your play, than that is what keeps you
              >coming back. This is where I have to thank Brigit. Often she will critique
              >my play telling me all (well maybe not all) the things I could improve upon
              >and how to fix it. But what really matters is when she tells me I've
              >finally done it right. That is what makes the game worth it.
              >
              >Equally, I would like to see the 'big dogs, take a little responsibility on
              >this one. Firstly, on a night when three newbies show up we split into two
              >games; intermediate to beginners on one side and intermediate to advanced
              >on the other. Why is this? Do the advanced players expect beginners
              >themselves to teach a game they barely have a handle on themselves. The
              >most qualified to teach the game are those that never even venture to our
              >side of the pool.
              >
              >I guess this would mean that we would need a rookie night or perhaps a
              >rookie hour before games start up. I also propose that during the course
              >of games, we take more time to talk as a team. Talk about who did what
              >right and wrong, what to do differently or the same, and so on. We have to
              >be open to teaching just as much as we need to be open to criticism.
              >
              >Jennifer
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Terry Sutton
              > To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:37 PM
              > Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
              >
              >
              > I think a rookie night is definitely what's needed. First, it gives the
              > rookies a chance to start playing around against others not experienced
              >in
              > using a snorkel to catch quick breaths and trying to swim back down to
              >the
              > bottom (which is what rookies tend to focus on their first practice, not
              > getting into position or curling or hitting the puck). And the
              >non-rookies
              > involved in the effort are there to concentrate totally on what the
              >rookies
              > need, not on getting the green/orange game balanced or whatever. The
              > practice I was at 10 days ago had 3 rookies in the green/orange game,
              >which
              > left the game itself as a 5-on-4 (not counting rookies), so the
              >non-rookies
              > were trying to play a short-handed game and help the rookies a bit, etc.
              > To
              > be fair to the rookies they need more time in a learning environment,
              >not a
              > thrown-to-the-wolves environment.
              >
              > Another idea I propose is that the person who brings the rookie stays
              >with
              > that rookie all night (if the rookie stays for the main games). If Yori
              > brings a new person, he plays green (or whatever) on the same team as
              >the
              > rookie. That way the rookie has both a dedicated "handler" as well as a
              > friend around. This seems much better than the approach of "here's your
              > game, I gotta go over with the big dogs". I just used Yori's name as
              > example of a person bringing a new person, not because he doesn't help
              >them.
              > In fact, Yori is one of the few people who spends a little time with any
              > rookies before practice to show them basics. At least if they're
              >female.
              > :-)
              >
              > I suggested this a few years back and was told by one of our "most
              > respected" leaders that "if we did that, no one would bring any new
              >people".
              > Well, if that's the case, then the club deserves to suffer from its lack
              >of
              > new players. I don't really think that most people who bring new
              >players
              > would be opposed to losing one night in the "A" game each time they
              >bring
              > someone. Most people wouldn't lose one night a year anyway. I doubt
              >even
              > the most enthusiastic recruiter brings 4 people a year (and the club has
              > ~150 practices/year).
              >
              > --T
              >
              > > Do I really need to say more. It turns out the two young guys that
              > > recently came and played then came and almost played, left because of
              > > something someone said. I think it was "let's go." But seriously, I
              >think
              > > we need to find a way to make all rookie experiences pleasant at
              >worst. We
              > > can have 9 people all helping and doing positive things and just one
              >that
              > > turns someone off to the sport and then we've lost them. I don't
              >believe
              > > that limiting what you say or who says it is even possible, but
              >everyone
              > > should be cautious that what you would say to me, or Yo or Craig or
              >Monika
              > > (if she ever comes back) or any of the regulars, may not be taken the
              >same
              > > way by a rookie. Even stuff not directed at them can affect their
              > > perception of the sport. Make it fun for them, not remind them of
              >their
              > > days as a crappy soccer player who had the coach telling them what to
              >do
              > > all the time. (the story depicted here is fictional and in no way is
              >meant
              > > to represent anyone on our team)
              > >
              > > Perhaps we could follow SF's lead and have a rookie practice. We could
              > > pick a Sunday and start them at 4 so they are guaranteed to have time
              >in
              > > the water before getting thrown to the sharks. They could play for
              >half an
              > > hour where we focus on them getting into the action. Then we can cut
              >them
              > > off and have a regular practice for the rest of us. Who knows, maybe
              >we
              > > can get enough to have a full rookie game. We could put an add in the
              > > Spartan Daily, use Craig's list the way Sean has, and maybe put up
              >signs
              > > at the pool. With the better weather coming and more people sitting on
              > > deck around the pool, we might have a great opportunity to grow our
              >club.
              > > Anyone want to volunteer to actually organize something and make sure
              >it
              > > gets done?
              > >
              > > Duck
              > >
              > >
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            • Carlos Encarnacion
              Hey Guys Here is my 8.25 Philippine pesos worth (or 1.75 US cents - FOE PhP55-$1). During the game last Easter Sunday - Craig was teaching me how to position
              Message 6 of 25 , Mar 28, 2005
                Hey Guys
                 
                Here is my 8.25 Philippine pesos worth (or 1.75 US cents - FOE PhP55-$1). 
                 
                During the game last Easter Sunday -  Craig was teaching me how to position myself on the advantage puck.  He even demonstarted to me how to do it after the game. (Sorry Helen - because of this I was not able to help you look for the screw!)  This is in addition to Greg reminding me to pick from behind, & Doug and Lyndon going up to me with encouraging words after the game.  Greg then "told" me to come 30 mintues early (and Yori also) so that we could work on my game.  
                 
                Conclusion:  The Club has enough "friendly" people to teach new guys.  We just have to appoint a "Rookie Dictator Committee" who will coordinate the which Veterans will teach on what days.
                 
                Secondly, There has to be a "Recruitment Team" to attract and keep tract of new players. For This I would like to volunteer David as one of the members.  He was responsible for bringing club membership in the Philippines from 20 active players to 80 within 6 months! We now have over 100 active players in the Philippines! And the club plays 7 days a week in 3 different venues!  
                 
                I guess we can also work together with the SFO Sea Lions on this - and make the Bay Area a UHockey stronghold!
                 
                Okay - I have run out of funds - these are my thoughts for now - Many Thanks again to all in Club Puck and San Francisco!
                 
                Chuck
                 

                Gregory Appling <gregoryappling@...> wrote:

                I guess since I've lived through this in Charleston I can add my 1.5 cents.

                Charleston as a club almost died out a couple times because of lack of new
                players. The new players are what's keeping the hotel hockey in San
                Francisco going. The difference is club puck is larger and has a lot of
                different needs then a smaller club. But if it doesn't focus on rookies the
                numbers will continue to go down.

                I agree that a club puck "Rookie Day" is a great idea but it shouldn't stop
                at 4:30 for regular play but should run at least till 5:30pm so they get
                some play time. I'm not saying cut the regular hockey practice down but for
                at least the first hour of practice they should still be a big focus of the
                practice.

                I will be happy to work on this, If that is what the club agrees that it
                wants to do. I would like someone else to help out with it as well.

                For it to really work like it does in San Francisco a few things need to
                happen:

                1. It needs to be the same Sunday each month.

                2. You have to have a Rookie Dictator that rules on rookie day. Sean runs
                the Rookie practice in the city and what he says goes on that day and
                everything works great.

                3. You need lots of teachers. You need at least one teach per rookie. So the
                organizer has to know how many rookies to expect on any give sunday

                4. During play only the teacher of that rookie should teach. To many people
                teaching confuses the player.


                So if the club wants this to happen let me know.

                gregory


                Gregory Appling
                827 Cabrillo St
                San Francisco, CA 94118-3606
                cell 843.367.3609




                >From: "Jennifer Semans" <jensemans@...>
                >Reply-To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                >To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                >Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                >Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:22:48 -0800
                >
                >I have to agree with Terry on this. As a fellow 'rookie'/green team
                >contender, its a intimidating game on the bottom. Not only are you learning
                >to use your gear, meanwhile taking in water like nobody's business, but you
                >are also trying to maintain your position so as not to be the 'weakest
                >link' on the team. All too often we focus so much on what the score
                >is...this is suppossed to be a practice, where one comes to gain fitness
                >and skills.  I, luckily, had my father to keep nagging me to play so it was
                >hard to say no (Dad's are good at that :)  But to be honest, there were
                >many times I would have stopped coming had it not been for him.
                >
                >This brings another thought to mind. Often during the course of a game very
                >few words are said, and if they are, it is typically negative.  As a coach,
                >I get frustrated with this mode of operation. People, especially rookies,
                >need feedback. We cannot be expected to advance if there is no coaching. 
                >Now I know that people often do not want to hear what they did wrong, and I
                >know that giving a player constructive coaching is hard.  But as long as
                >you hear something postive about your play, than that is what keeps you
                >coming back. This is where I have to thank Brigit. Often she will critique
                >my play telling me all (well maybe not all) the things I could improve upon
                >and how to fix it.  But what really matters is when she tells me I've
                >finally done it right. That is what makes the game worth it.
                >
                >Equally, I would like to see the 'big dogs, take a little responsibility on
                >this one. Firstly, on a night when three newbies show up we split into two
                >games; intermediate to beginners on one side and intermediate to advanced
                >on the other. Why is this?  Do the advanced players expect beginners
                >themselves to teach a game they barely have a handle on themselves. The
                >most qualified to teach the game are those that never even venture to our
                >side of the pool.
                >
                >I guess this would mean that we would need a rookie night or perhaps a
                >rookie hour before games start up.  I also propose that during the course
                >of games, we take more time to talk as a team. Talk about who did what
                >right and wrong, what to do differently or the same, and so on.  We have to
                >be open to teaching just as much as we need to be open to criticism.
                >
                >Jennifer
                >   ----- Original Message -----
                >   From: Terry Sutton
                >   To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                >   Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:37 PM
                >   Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                >
                >
                >   I think a rookie night is definitely what's needed.  First, it gives the
                >   rookies a chance to start playing around against others not experienced
                >in
                >   using a snorkel to catch quick breaths and trying to swim back down to
                >the
                >   bottom (which is what rookies tend to focus on their first practice, not
                >   getting into position or curling or hitting the puck).  And the
                >non-rookies
                >   involved in the effort are there to concentrate totally on what the
                >rookies
                >   need, not on getting the green/orange game balanced or whatever.  The
                >   practice I was at 10 days ago had 3 rookies in the green/orange game,
                >which
                >   left the game itself as a 5-on-4 (not counting rookies), so the
                >non-rookies
                >   were trying to play a short-handed game and help the rookies a bit, etc.
                >  To
                >   be fair to the rookies they need more time in a learning environment,
                >not a
                >   thrown-to-the-wolves environment.
                >
                >   Another idea I propose is that the person who brings the rookie stays
                >with
                >   that rookie all night (if the rookie stays for the main games).  If Yori
                >   brings a new person, he plays green (or whatever) on the same team as
                >the
                >   rookie.  That way the rookie has both a dedicated "handler" as well as a
                >   friend around.  This seems much better than the approach of "here's your
                >   game, I gotta go over with the big dogs".  I just used Yori's name as
                >   example of a person bringing a new person, not because he doesn't help
                >them.
                >   In fact, Yori is one of the few people who spends a little time with any
                >   rookies before practice to show them basics.  At least if they're
                >female.
                >   :-)
                >
                >   I suggested this a few years back and was told by one of our "most
                >   respected" leaders that "if we did that, no one would bring any new
                >people".
                >   Well, if that's the case, then the club deserves to suffer from its lack
                >of
                >   new players.  I don't really think that most people who bring new
                >players
                >   would be opposed to losing one night in the "A" game each time they
                >bring
                >   someone.  Most people wouldn't lose one night a year anyway.  I doubt
                >even
                >   the most enthusiastic recruiter brings 4 people a year (and the club has
                >   ~150 practices/year).
                >
                >   --T
                >
                >   > Do I really need to say more. It turns out the two young guys that
                >   > recently came and played then came and almost played, left because of
                >   > something someone said. I think it was "let's go." But seriously, I
                >think
                >   > we need to find a way to make all rookie experiences pleasant at
                >worst. We
                >   > can have 9 people all helping and doing positive things and just one
                >that
                >   > turns someone off to the sport and then we've lost them. I don't
                >believe
                >   > that limiting what you say or who says it is even possible, but
                >everyone
                >   > should be cautious that what you would say to me, or Yo or Craig or
                >Monika
                >   > (if she ever comes back) or any of the regulars, may not be taken the
                >same
                >   > way by a rookie. Even stuff not directed at them can affect their
                >   > perception of the sport. Make it fun for them, not remind them of
                >their
                >   > days as a crappy soccer player who had the coach telling them what to
                >do
                >   > all the time. (the story depicted here is fictional and in no way is
                >meant
                >   > to represent anyone on our team)
                >   >
                >   > Perhaps we could follow SF's lead and have a rookie practice. We could
                >   > pick a Sunday and start them at 4 so they are guaranteed to have time
                >in
                >   > the water before getting thrown to the sharks. They could play for
                >half an
                >   > hour where we focus on them getting into the action. Then we can cut
                >them
                >   > off and have a regular practice for the rest of us. Who knows, maybe
                >we
                >   > can get enough to have a full rookie game. We could put an add in the
                >   > Spartan Daily, use Craig's list the way Sean has, and maybe put up
                >signs
                >   > at the pool. With the better weather coming and more people sitting on
                >   > deck around the pool, we might have a great opportunity to grow our
                >club.
                >   > Anyone want to volunteer to actually organize something and make sure
                >it
                >   > gets done?
                >   >
                >   > Duck
                >   >
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              • Brigit
                Chuck, I think you have some great ideas, and I agree that we really do have some friendly people that try to help out. The rookie Sunday really is the best
                Message 7 of 25 , Mar 28, 2005
                  Chuck,
                  I think you have some great ideas, and I agree that we really do have some friendly people that try to help out.  The rookie Sunday really is the best way to get newbies comfortable with the skills and trained sufficiently before they come to a "real" hockey game.
                   
                  Doug mentioned 1/2 hour and Greg thought using 1 hour of "real" hockey time would be best.  I suggest something in between.  In a 1/2 hour, it really is only time to warm up, get sorta comfortable with the gear and learn a couple of basic skills.  If you use 1 hour of real hockey time, many hockey players won't come until the hour is over.  I think that if we use 1 hour for the newbies, there will be skills and a little hockey to try out the skills.  The experienced players that come to help with that can then play in the real game at 430.  The newbies can stay for the real game if they really want to, as long as they understand that the level will be much higher.  We can still be friendly to them, but now there will be a newbie game before the real game that they can go to.  If it goes over really well, maybe there can be a second Sunday each month for the rookie game ( a rookie is an "experienced" newbie).
                   
                  My 1.8 cents worth,
                  Brigit
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:18 PM
                  Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them

                  Hey Guys
                   
                  Here is my 8.25 Philippine pesos worth (or 1.75 US cents - FOE PhP55-$1). 
                   
                  During the game last Easter Sunday -  Craig was teaching me how to position myself on the advantage puck.  He even demonstarted to me how to do it after the game. (Sorry Helen - because of this I was not able to help you look for the screw!)  This is in addition to Greg reminding me to pick from behind, & Doug and Lyndon going up to me with encouraging words after the game.  Greg then "told" me to come 30 mintues early (and Yori also) so that we could work on my game.  
                   
                  Conclusion:  The Club has enough "friendly" people to teach new guys.  We just have to appoint a "Rookie Dictator Committee" who will coordinate the which Veterans will teach on what days.
                   
                  Secondly, There has to be a "Recruitment Team" to attract and keep tract of new players. For This I would like to volunteer David as one of the members.  He was responsible for bringing club membership in the Philippines from 20 active players to 80 within 6 months! We now have over 100 active players in the Philippines! And the club plays 7 days a week in 3 different venues!  
                   
                  I guess we can also work together with the SFO Sea Lions on this - and make the Bay Area a UHockey stronghold!
                   
                  Okay - I have run out of funds - these are my thoughts for now - Many Thanks again to all in Club Puck and San Francisco!
                   
                  Chuck
                   

                  Gregory Appling <gregoryappling@...> wrote:

                  I guess since I've lived through this in Charleston I can add my 1.5 cents.

                  Charleston as a club almost died out a couple times because of lack of new
                  players. The new players are what's keeping the hotel hockey in San
                  Francisco going. The difference is club puck is larger and has a lot of
                  different needs then a smaller club. But if it doesn't focus on rookies the
                  numbers will continue to go down.

                  I agree that a club puck "Rookie Day" is a great idea but it shouldn't stop
                  at 4:30 for regular play but should run at least till 5:30pm so they get
                  some play time. I'm not saying cut the regular hockey practice down but for
                  at least the first hour of practice they should still be a big focus of the
                  practice.

                  I will be happy to work on this, If that is what the club agrees that it
                  wants to do. I would like someone else to help out with it as well.

                  For it to really work like it does in San Francisco a few things need to
                  happen:

                  1. It needs to be the same Sunday each month.

                  2. You have to have a Rookie Dictator that rules on rookie day. Sean runs
                  the Rookie practice in the city and what he says goes on that day and
                  everything works great.

                  3. You need lots of teachers. You need at least one teach per rookie. So the
                  organizer has to know how many rookies to expect on any give sunday

                  4. During play only the teacher of that rookie should teach. To many people
                  teaching confuses the player.


                  So if the club wants this to happen let me know.

                  gregory


                  Gregory Appling
                  827 Cabrillo St
                  San Francisco, CA 94118-3606
                  cell 843.367.3609




                  >From: "Jennifer Semans" <jensemans@...>
                  >Reply-To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                  >To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                  >Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                  >Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:22:48 -0800
                  >
                  >I have to agree with Terry on this. As a fellow 'rookie'/green team
                  >contender, its a intimidating game on the bottom. Not only are you learning
                  >to use your gear, meanwhile taking in water like nobody's business, but you
                  >are also trying to maintain your position so as not to be the 'weakest
                  >link' on the team. All too often we focus so much on what the score
                  >is...this is suppossed to be a practice, where one comes to gain fitness
                  >and skills.  I, luckily, had my father to keep nagging me to play so it was
                  >hard to say no (Dad's are good at that :)  But to be honest, there were
                  >many times I would have stopped coming had it not been for him.
                  >
                  >This brings another thought to mind. Often during the course of a game very
                  >few words are said, and if they are, it is typically negative.  As a coach,
                  >I get frustrated with this mode of operation. People, especially rookies,
                  >need feedback. We cannot be expected to advance if there is no coaching. 
                  >Now I know that people often do not want to hear what they did wrong, and I
                  >know that giving a player constructive coaching is hard.  But as long as
                  >you hear something postive about your play, than that is what keeps you
                  >coming back. This is where I have to thank Brigit. Often she will critique
                  >my play telling me all (well maybe not all) the things I could improve upon
                  >and how to fix it.  But what really matters is when she tells me I've
                  >finally done it right. That is what makes the game worth it.
                  >
                  >Equally, I would like to see the 'big dogs, take a little responsibility on
                  >this one. Firstly, on a night when three newbies show up we split into two
                  >games; intermediate to beginners on one side and intermediate to advanced
                  >on the other. Why is this?  Do the advanced players expect beginners
                  >themselves to teach a game they barely have a handle on themselves. The
                  >most qualified to teach the game are those that never even venture to our
                  >side of the pool.
                  >
                  >I guess this would mean that we would need a rookie night or perhaps a
                  >rookie hour before games start up.  I also propose that during the course
                  >of games, we take more time to talk as a team. Talk about who did what
                  >right and wrong, what to do differently or the same, and so on.  We have to
                  >be open to teaching just as much as we need to be open to criticism.
                  >
                  >Jennifer
                  >   ----- Original Message -----
                  >   From: Terry Sutton
                  >   To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                  >   Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:37 PM
                  >   Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                  >
                  >
                  >   I think a rookie night is definitely what's needed.  First, it gives the
                  >   rookies a chance to start playing around against others not experienced
                  >in
                  >   using a snorkel to catch quick breaths and trying to swim back down to
                  >the
                  >   bottom (which is what rookies tend to focus on their first practice, not
                  >   getting into position or curling or hitting the puck).  And the
                  >non-rookies
                  >   involved in the effort are there to concentrate totally on what the
                  >rookies
                  >   need, not on getting the green/orange game balanced or whatever.  The
                  >   practice I was at 10 days ago had 3 rookies in the green/orange game,
                  >which
                  >   left the game itself as a 5-on-4 (not counting rookies), so the
                  >non-rookies
                  >   were trying to play a short-handed game and help the rookies a bit, etc.
                  >  To
                  >   be fair to the rookies they need more time in a learning environment,
                  >not a
                  >   thrown-to-the-wolves environment.
                  >
                  >   Another idea I propose is that the person who brings the rookie stays
                  >with
                  >   that rookie all night (if the rookie stays for the main games).  If Yori
                  >   brings a new person, he plays green (or whatever) on the same team as
                  >the
                  >   rookie.  That way the rookie has both a dedicated "handler" as well as a
                  >   friend around.  This seems much better than the approach of "here's your
                  >   game, I gotta go over with the big dogs".  I just used Yori's name as
                  >   example of a person bringing a new person, not because he doesn't help
                  >them.
                  >   In fact, Yori is one of the few people who spends a little time with any
                  >   rookies before practice to show them basics.  At least if they're
                  >female.
                  >   :-)
                  >
                  >   I suggested this a few years back and was told by one of our "most
                  >   respected" leaders that "if we did that, no one would bring any new
                  >people".
                  >   Well, if that's the case, then the club deserves to suffer from its lack
                  >of
                  >   new players.  I don't really think that most people who bring new
                  >players
                  >   would be opposed to losing one night in the "A" game each time they
                  >bring
                  >   someone.  Most people wouldn't lose one night a year anyway.  I doubt
                  >even
                  >   the most enthusiastic recruiter brings 4 people a year (and the club has
                  >   ~150 practices/year).
                  >
                  >   --T
                  >
                  >   > Do I really need to say more. It turns out the two young guys that
                  >   > recently came and played then came and almost played, left because of
                  >   > something someone said. I think it was "let's go." But seriously, I
                  >think
                  >   > we need to find a way to make all rookie experiences pleasant at
                  >worst. We
                  >   > can have 9 people all helping and doing positive things and just one
                  >that
                  >   > turns someone off to the sport and then we've lost them. I don't
                  >believe
                  >   > that limiting what you say or who says it is even possible, but
                  >everyone
                  >   > should be cautious that what you would say to me, or Yo or Craig or
                  >Monika
                  >   > (if she ever comes back) or any of the regulars, may not be taken the
                  >same
                  >   > way by a rookie. Even stuff not directed at them can affect their
                  >   > perception of the sport. Make it fun for them, not remind them of
                  >their
                  >   > days as a crappy soccer player who had the coach telling them what to
                  >do
                  >   > all the time. (the story depicted here is fictional and in no way is
                  >meant
                  >   > to represent anyone on our team)
                  >   >
                  >   > Perhaps we could follow SF's lead and have a rookie practice. We could
                  >   > pick a Sunday and start them at 4 so they are guaranteed to have time
                  >in
                  >   > the water before getting thrown to the sharks. They could play for
                  >half an
                  >   > hour where we focus on them getting into the action. Then we can cut
                  >them
                  >   > off and have a regular practice for the rest of us. Who knows, maybe
                  >we
                  >   > can get enough to have a full rookie game. We could put an add in the
                  >   > Spartan Daily, use Craig's list the way Sean has, and maybe put up
                  >signs
                  >   > at the pool. With the better weather coming and more people sitting on
                  >   > deck around the pool, we might have a great opportunity to grow our
                  >club.
                  >   > Anyone want to volunteer to actually organize something and make sure
                  >it
                  >   > gets done?
                  >   >
                  >   > Duck
                  >   >
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                • Sean R. Avent
                  Chuck and the Gang, I think you have some great feedback. but I do want to comment on the friendly people to teach newbies. One of the problems is that
                  Message 8 of 25 , Mar 29, 2005
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                    Chuck and the Gang,
                     
                    I think you have some great feedback. but I do want to comment on the "friendly" people to teach newbies.  One of the problems is that during a game a newbie is absolutely inundated with comments, pointers, requests, and directives from more than five differ rent 'coaches'.  A lot of the time these instructions from different people are counter to one another and the newbie is totally confused and frustrated, even though the coaches are trying to be nothing but friendly. Can you see how in Carlos's case, a newbie may freak out with all the criticism - bad or good? 
                     
                    Remember that most newbies come to have fun and not to be immediately competitive.  The way to have them come back again and again is to make it fun for them.  To do this we should have:
                     
                    1) A LIMITED number of people coaching them - like one or maybe 2 at most.  Except for positive comment, all others should refrain from telling them how to play unless they ask.  But the coach should be there for that.  This way the rookie or newbie knows who to ask for questions he/she has.
                     
                    2) This one coach should know that positive reinforcement helps much more than negative comment.  Brian Tucker had a great way to deal with new players called the Oreo effect - give the player a nice comment on his/her play, then tell them what to change, and then tell them another nice thing afterwards.  A criticism in the middle of a couple positive reinforcements works wonders.  OK, now I'm being a bit to micro-managing, but you can see where I'm going.
                     
                    3) Remember that people will get it after a while.  They'll watch people play and see what's happening and emulate it without being bombarded with instruction.  Although it might take a little time, they'll become better.  How long did it take you to become a good player when you put your fins on (or more likely a borrowed ill-fitting pair fins that were limp as noodles)? 
                     
                    The point is that limited, pointed, positive instruction during a game should be plenty for a newbie to deal with.  Any more than that and underwater hockey may become an unpleasant activity. 
                     
                    Sean

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                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Carlos Encarnacion [mailto:chuckencarnacion@...]
                    Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 7:18 PM
                    To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them

                    Hey Guys
                     
                    Here is my 8.25 Philippine pesos worth (or 1.75 US cents - FOE PhP55-$1). 
                     
                    During the game last Easter Sunday -  Craig was teaching me how to position myself on the advantage puck.  He even demonstarted to me how to do it after the game. (Sorry Helen - because of this I was not able to help you look for the screw!)  This is in addition to Greg reminding me to pick from behind, & Doug and Lyndon going up to me with encouraging words after the game.  Greg then "told" me to come 30 mintues early (and Yori also) so that we could work on my game.  
                     
                    Conclusion:  The Club has enough "friendly" people to teach new guys.  We just have to appoint a "Rookie Dictator Committee" who will coordinate the which Veterans will teach on what days.
                     
                    Secondly, There has to be a "Recruitment Team" to attract and keep tract of new players. For This I would like to volunteer David as one of the members.  He was responsible for bringing club membership in the Philippines from 20 active players to 80 within 6 months! We now have over 100 active players in the Philippines! And the club plays 7 days a week in 3 different venues!  
                     
                    I guess we can also work together with the SFO Sea Lions on this - and make the Bay Area a UHockey stronghold!
                     
                    Okay - I have run out of funds - these are my thoughts for now - Many Thanks again to all in Club Puck and San Francisco!
                     
                    Chuck
                     

                    Gregory Appling <gregoryappling@...> wrote:

                    I guess since I've lived through this in Charleston I can add my 1.5 cents.

                    Charleston as a club almost died out a couple times because of lack of new
                    players. The new players are what's keeping the hotel hockey in San
                    Francisco going. The difference is club puck is larger and has a lot of
                    different needs then a smaller club. But if it doesn't focus on rookies the
                    numbers will continue to go down.

                    I agree that a club puck "Rookie Day" is a great idea but it shouldn't stop
                    at 4:30 for regular play but should run at least till 5:30pm so they get
                    some play time. I'm not saying cut the regular hockey practice down but for
                    at least the first hour of practice they should still be a big focus of the
                    practice.

                    I will be happy to work on this, If that is what the club agrees that it
                    wants to do. I would like someone else to help out with it as well.

                    For it to really work like it does in San Francisco a few things need to
                    happen:

                    1. It needs to be the same Sunday each month.

                    2. You have to have a Rookie Dictator that rules on rookie day. Sean runs
                    the Rookie practice in the city and what he says goes on that day and
                    everything works great.

                    3. You need lots of teachers. You need at least one teach per rookie. So the
                    organizer has to know how many rookies to expect on any give sunday

                    4. During play only the teacher of that rookie should teach. To many people
                    teaching confuses the player.


                    So if the club wants this to happen let me know.

                    gregory


                    Gregory Appling
                    827 Cabrillo St
                    San Francisco, CA 94118-3606
                    cell 843.367.3609




                    >From: "Jennifer Semans" <jensemans@...>
                    >Reply-To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                    >To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                    >Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                    >Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:22:48 -0800
                    >
                    >I have to agree with Terry on this. As a fellow 'rookie'/green team
                    >contender, its a intimidating game on the bottom. Not only are you learning
                    >to use your gear, meanwhile taking in water like nobody's business, but you
                    >are also trying to maintain your position so as not to be the 'weakest
                    >link' on the team. All too often we focus so much on what the score
                    >is...this is suppossed to be a practice, where one comes to gain fitness
                    >and skills.  I, luckily, had my father to keep nagging me to play so it was
                    >hard to say no (Dad's are good at that :)  But to be honest, there were
                    >many times I would have stopped coming had it not been for him.
                    >
                    >This brings another thought to mind. Often during the course of a game very
                    >few words are said, and if they are, it is typically negative.  As a coach,
                    >I get frustrated with this mode of operation. People, especially rookies,
                    >need feedback. We cannot be expected to advance if there is no coaching. 
                    >Now I know that people often do not want to hear what they did wrong, and I
                    >know that giving a player constructive coaching is hard.  But as long as
                    >you hear something postive about your play, than that is what keeps you
                    >coming back. This is where I have to thank Brigit. Often she will critique
                    >my play telling me all (well maybe not all) the things I could improve upon
                    >and how to fix it.  But what really matters is when she tells me I've
                    >finally done it right. That is what makes the game worth it.
                    >
                    >Equally, I would like to see the 'big dogs, take a little responsibility on
                    >this one. Firstly, on a night when three newbies show up we split into two
                    >games; intermediate to beginners on one side and intermediate to advanced
                    >on the other. Why is this?  Do the advanced players expect beginners
                    >themselves to teach a game they barely have a handle on themselves. The
                    >most qualified to teach the game are those that never even venture to our
                    >side of the pool.
                    >
                    >I guess this would mean that we would need a rookie night or perhaps a
                    >rookie hour before games start up.  I also propose that during the course
                    >of games, we take more time to talk as a team. Talk about who did what
                    >right and wrong, what to do differently or the same, and so on.  We have to
                    >be open to teaching just as much as we need to be open to criticism.
                    >
                    >Jennifer
                    >   ----- Original Message -----
                    >   From: Terry Sutton
                    >   To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                    >   Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:37 PM
                    >   Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                    >
                    >
                    >   I think a rookie night is definitely what's needed.  First, it gives the
                    >   rookies a chance to start playing around against others not experienced
                    >in
                    >   using a snorkel to catch quick breaths and trying to swim back down to
                    >the
                    >   bottom (which is what rookies tend to focus on their first practice, not
                    >   getting into position or curling or hitting the puck).  And the
                    >non-rookies
                    >   involved in the effort are there to concentrate totally on what the
                    >rookies
                    >   need, not on getting the green/orange game balanced or whatever.  The
                    >   practice I was at 10 days ago had 3 rookies in the green/orange game,
                    >which
                    >   left the game itself as a 5-on-4 (not counting rookies), so the
                    >non-rookies
                    >   were trying to play a short-handed game and help the rookies a bit, etc.
                    >  To
                    >   be fair to the rookies they need more time in a learning environment,
                    >not a
                    >   thrown-to-the-wolves environment.
                    >
                    >   Another idea I propose is that the person who brings the rookie stays
                    >with
                    >   that rookie all night (if the rookie stays for the main games).  If Yori
                    >   brings a new person, he plays green (or whatever) on the same team as
                    >the
                    >   rookie.  That way the rookie has both a dedicated "handler" as well as a
                    >   friend around.  This seems much better than the approach of "here's your
                    >   game, I gotta go over with the big dogs".  I just used Yori's name as
                    >   example of a person bringing a new person, not because he doesn't help
                    >them.
                    >   In fact, Yori is one of the few people who spends a little time with any
                    >   rookies before practice to show them basics.  At least if they're
                    >female.
                    >   :-)
                    >
                    >   I suggested this a few years back and was told by one of our "most
                    >   respected" leaders that "if we did that, no one would bring any new
                    >people".
                    >   Well, if that's the case, then the club deserves to suffer from its lack
                    >of
                    >   new players.  I don't really think that most people who bring new
                    >players
                    >   would be opposed to losing one night in the "A" game each time they
                    >bring
                    >   someone.  Most people wouldn't lose one night a year anyway.  I doubt
                    >even
                    >   the most enthusiastic recruiter brings 4 people a year (and the club has
                    >   ~150 practices/year).
                    >
                    >   --T
                    >
                    >   > Do I really need to say more. It turns out the two young guys that
                    >   > recently came and played then came and almost played, left because of
                    >   > something someone said. I think it was "let's go." But seriously, I
                    >think
                    >   > we need to find a way to make all rookie experiences pleasant at
                    >worst. We
                    >   > can have 9 people all helping and doing positive things and just one
                    >that
                    >   > turns someone off to the sport and then we've lost them. I don't
                    >believe
                    >   > that limiting what you say or who says it is even possible, but
                    >everyone
                    >   > should be cautious that what you would say to me, or Yo or Craig or
                    >Monika
                    >   > (if she ever comes back) or any of the regulars, may not be taken the
                    >same
                    >   > way by a rookie. Even stuff not directed at them can affect their
                    >   > perception of the sport. Make it fun for them, not remind them of
                    >their
                    >   > days as a crappy soccer player who had the coach telling them what to
                    >do
                    >   > all the time. (the story depicted here is fictional and in no way is
                    >meant
                    >   > to represent anyone on our team)
                    >   >
                    >   > Perhaps we could follow SF's lead and have a rookie practice. We could
                    >   > pick a Sunday and start them at 4 so they are guaranteed to have time
                    >in
                    >   > the water before getting thrown to the sharks. They could play for
                    >half an
                    >   > hour where we focus on them getting into the action. Then we can cut
                    >them
                    >   > off and have a regular practice for the rest of us. Who knows, maybe
                    >we
                    >   > can get enough to have a full rookie game. We could put an add in the
                    >   > Spartan Daily, use Craig's list the way Sean has, and maybe put up
                    >signs
                    >   > at the pool. With the better weather coming and more people sitting on
                    >   > deck around the pool, we might have a great opportunity to grow our
                    >club.
                    >   > Anyone want to volunteer to actually organize something and make sure
                    >it
                    >   > gets done?
                    >   >
                    >   > Duck
                    >   >
                    >   >
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                  • Terry Sutton
                    MessageI find it funny that we all keep talking about coaching . While there are exceptional newbies who adapt to the situation almost immediately, the
                    Message 9 of 25 , Mar 29, 2005
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                      I find it funny that we all keep talking about "coaching".  While there are exceptional newbies who adapt to the situation almost immediately, the biggest issues for most first-timers have *nothing* to do with actually playing hockey (i.e., hitting the puck, etc.).  The first timer is trying to figure out how to keep their mask from leaking, how to clear the snorkel, how to touch the bottom, and how to kick with fins.  Even if they are experienced snorkellers, they are used to kicking around casually looking at seaweed.  They have no experience with kicking hard toward an objective, then coming to the surface truly out of breath, clearing, catching a couple breaths, then going back down and trying to get into a position to do something with a puck.
                       
                      I shudder when I see a hockey veteran telling the rookie.  "Good job, now try to come down when the puck is coming near you, and we'll throw it to you, and when you get attacked, curl".  Meanwhile, the rookie is thinking "Someone's talking to me, but I can't see them.  I wish this mask weren't all fogged up.  And how do I get air in this stupid tube".
                       
                      There should be one (1) person buddying with the rookie.  No more.  And that person should be thinking entirely about what the rookie is doing.  The buddy can see that the rookie isn't getting more than halfway down, or is sputtering and coughing when surfacing.  Or on the surface 20 meters away from the play.  When most of us see the rookie finally hit the puck with his/her stick backwards, we are very helpful about telling them the right way to hold the stick.  The rookie is thinking "Yeehaa, I actually touched the goddam whatchacallit".
                       
                      --T

                      One of the problems is that during a game a newbie is absolutely inundated with comments, pointers, requests, and directives from more than five differ rent 'coaches'. 
                       
                      1) A LIMITED number of people coaching them - like one or maybe 2 at most. 
                    • Laurent Bonetto
                      Hi, I haven t been playing in a while, but just wanted to say I totally agree with Sean s comment. I know of at least one new-b who stopped playing because of
                      Message 10 of 25 , Mar 29, 2005
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                        Hi,
                         
                        I haven't been playing in a while, but just wanted to say I totally agree with Sean's comment. I know of at least one new-b who stopped playing because of the level of "excitement" around: if you receive too many instructions, you just can't enjoy the game!
                         
                        And that's also what I felt when I started playing as well. There is a saturation point after which positive and negative feedback don't help anymore. If the newbie ask for a question, he/she is more likely to actually listen to the answer and do something with it.
                         
                        Laurent - Hoping to play one or two more time before the baby arrives!
                        The point is that limited, pointed, positive instruction during a game should be plenty for a newbie to deal with.  Any more than that and underwater hockey may become an unpleasant activity. 
                         
                        Sean

                         

                      • Wendy Okafuji
                        Baby? What baby??!! Wow, I must really be out of touch! Congrats! Was wondering... does anyone know how to get in touch with the rookies that started
                        Message 11 of 25 , Mar 29, 2005
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                          Baby?  What baby??!!   Wow, I must really be out of touch!  Congrats!
                           
                          Was wondering... does anyone know how to get in touch with the rookies that started playing and then left last week?  Jeremy (I think that was his name) seemed very enthusiastic and was doing pretty well.  AND he kept bringing all his roommates!  It would be great to try and talk them into coming back!
                           
                           


                          From: Laurent Bonetto [mailto:bonetto@...]
                          Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:10 AM
                          To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them

                          Hi,
                           
                          I haven't been playing in a while, but just wanted to say I totally agree with Sean's comment. I know of at least one new-b who stopped playing because of the level of "excitement" around: if you receive too many instructions, you just can't enjoy the game!
                           
                          And that's also what I felt when I started playing as well. There is a saturation point after which positive and negative feedback don't help anymore. If the newbie ask for a question, he/she is more likely to actually listen to the answer and do something with it.
                           
                          Laurent - Hoping to play one or two more time before the baby arrives!
                          The point is that limited, pointed, positive instruction during a game should be plenty for a newbie to deal with.  Any more than that and underwater hockey may become an unpleasant activity. 
                           
                          Sean

                           



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                        • Jason Zvanut
                          Ditto the congrats... and you better try to play more than once or twice (play all that you can NOW!!) man, the US juniors team is gonna kick ass down the
                          Message 12 of 25 , Mar 29, 2005
                            Ditto the congrats... and you better try to play more
                            than once or twice (play all that you can NOW!!)

                            man, the US juniors team is gonna kick ass down the
                            road....

                            jason


                            --- Wendy Okafuji <wokafuji@...>
                            wrote:
                            > Baby? What baby??!! Wow, I must really be out of
                            > touch! Congrats!
                            >
                            > Was wondering... does anyone know how to get in
                            > touch with the rookies
                            > that started playing and then left last week?
                            > Jeremy (I think that was
                            > his name) seemed very enthusiastic and was doing
                            > pretty well. AND he
                            > kept bringing all his roommates! It would be great
                            > to try and talk them
                            > into coming back!
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > _____
                            >
                            > From: Laurent Bonetto [mailto:bonetto@...]
                            > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:10 AM
                            > To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of
                            > them
                            >
                            >
                            > Hi,
                            >
                            > I haven't been playing in a while, but just wanted
                            > to say I totally
                            > agree with Sean's comment. I know of at least one
                            > new-b who stopped
                            > playing because of the level of "excitement" around:
                            > if you receive too
                            > many instructions, you just can't enjoy the game!
                            >
                            > And that's also what I felt when I started playing
                            > as well. There is a
                            > saturation point after which positive and negative
                            > feedback don't help
                            > anymore. If the newbie ask for a question, he/she is
                            > more likely to
                            > actually listen to the answer and do something with
                            > it.
                            >
                            > Laurent - Hoping to play one or two more time before
                            > the baby arrives!
                            >
                            > The point is that limited, pointed, positive
                            > instruction during
                            > a game should be plenty for a newbie to deal with.
                            > Any more than that
                            > and underwater hockey may become an unpleasant
                            > activity.
                            >
                            > Sean
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                          • tuckh2o@cs.com
                            I think some of what is being discussed needs two separate approaches. Firstly I do understand the argument against if you bring a rookie you are responsible
                            Message 13 of 25 , Mar 29, 2005
                              I think some of what is being discussed needs two separate approaches. Firstly I do understand the argument against if you bring a rookie you are responsible for being the rookie buddy all night. More than “well that will prevent people from bringing rookies” which is sadly true, the person bringing said new guy might not be the best source of info or training.

                              I like the idea of a handful of designated rookie coaches who would be made available for their first couple times.

                              Due to VASTLY different levels of comfort in the water, experience with mask, fins, snorkel, and athletic ability and especially different levels of each, like the polo players who just never get comfy in the game because of that tubey thing. People need time to get used to different aspects of the game and it is up to the person bringing the new person to find out what comfort level that person has and where to start the instruction. I think one of the biggest crimes is that snap judgments about a potential players future abilities are based upon their first 5 minutes in the water, and some are automatically given more/better instruction than other folks based on how they swim with their mask fins and snorkel upon first entry.

                              I do believe though it should be up to the person bringing the rookie to do their best to:

                              A) make a good effort to secure gear PRIOR to showing up at practice. At the very least after showing up help to make sure the gear fits. We do have a phone list make sure a like minded good soul has some extra gear if you don’t yerself.

                              B) Make a good effort to show up early AND have said new guy show up early to get in the water and work out the kinks in the gear before teams are to be picked (leaks, fog, fins coming off every kick…etc.) Once they’re playing the game they should be able to focus on the skills their natural ability prescribes for them:
                              1) Hey I actually touched the whatchamathingy
                              2) oh hold the stick that way?!?
                              3) ok, breathe on the surface, puck on the bottom?
                              4) Backpick?
                              Different folks are going to have different needs once the game starts, there are folks out their that immediately have all of the trivial stuff out of the way, like being underwater, pushing the puck quick breath and repeat dives, just as there are folks that will be doing their best imitation of a float tube, regardless neither should have to worry about how fogged up their mask is, or that their fins keep flying off once the game starts.

                              C) Make sure the rookie is introduced to the friendly people!!! People can’t be recognized as friendly if you don’t meet them. And often enough, especially this time of the year, the typical Clavinesque pre-game warm up is short if non-existent.

                              Secondly it is then up to EVERYONE, to:

                              A) Introduce yourself to a newbie if you see one. ESPECIALLY if there are people just dropping in because they heard about it by different sources than a player, or say talked to Zed about playing a couple weeks ago, but Zed didn’t know the guy was actually going to show up, let alone coincidentally be here himself.

                              B) Point them in the right direction for help/gear/FAQ whatever.

                              C) SMILE it’s supposed to be fun anyway right!

                              My two cents.

                              -S
                            • Laurent Bonetto
                              Thanks Wendy! It will be a little girl who I hope will enjoy playing hockey. Maybe we will see her at the bottom of the pool in 10 years from now if we figure
                              Message 14 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
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                                Thanks Wendy! It will be a little girl who I hope will enjoy playing hockey.  Maybe we will see her at the bottom of the pool in 10 years from now if we figure out how to keep new players coming?
                                 
                                I will try to get more feedback from the people I brought to hockey and who didn't stick around.
                                 
                                Laurent


                                From: Wendy Okafuji [mailto:wokafuji@...]
                                Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:13 AM
                                To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them

                                Baby?  What baby??!!   Wow, I must really be out of touch!  Congrats!
                                 
                                Was wondering... does anyone know how to get in touch with the rookies that started playing and then left last week?  Jeremy (I think that was his name) seemed very enthusiastic and was doing pretty well.  AND he kept bringing all his roommates!  It would be great to try and talk them into coming back!
                                 
                                 


                                From: Laurent Bonetto [mailto:bonetto@...]
                                Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:10 AM
                                To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them

                                Hi,
                                 
                                I haven't been playing in a while, but just wanted to say I totally agree with Sean's comment. I know of at least one new-b who stopped playing because of the level of "excitement" around: if you receive too many instructions, you just can't enjoy the game!
                                 
                                And that's also what I felt when I started playing as well. There is a saturation point after which positive and negative feedback don't help anymore. If the newbie ask for a question, he/she is more likely to actually listen to the answer and do something with it.
                                 
                                Laurent - Hoping to play one or two more time before the baby arrives!
                                The point is that limited, pointed, positive instruction during a game should be plenty for a newbie to deal with.  Any more than that and underwater hockey may become an unpleasant activity. 
                                 
                                Sean

                                 



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                              • Craig V. W. Lewis
                                Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or whatever... 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If they re too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                Message 15 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
                                  Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                  whatever...

                                  1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                  they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                  they're probably going to do something foolish
                                  involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                  make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                  year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                  and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                  being game is a bad sign.

                                  2) One coach good, many coaches bad.

                                  3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                  TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                  interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                  that does most of the talking is the half that
                                  knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                  to you to decide who I just insulted.

                                  If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                  of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                  take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                  bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                  could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                  take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                  did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                  Coop.

                                  FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
                                  have been a couple of off nights recently, but
                                  nothing turns off rookies like a bunch of
                                  hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at each other.



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                                • Brigit
                                  Right on!... ... ...you owe me a beer... ;) Brigit ... From: Craig V. W. Lewis To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30,
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
                                    Right on!...
                                    ...
                                    ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                    Brigit
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "Craig V. W. Lewis" <cvdwl@...>
                                    To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:23 PM
                                    Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them


                                    >
                                    > Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                    > whatever...
                                    >
                                    > 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                    > they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                    > they're probably going to do something foolish
                                    > involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                    > make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                    > year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                    > and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                    > being game is a bad sign.
                                    >
                                    > 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                    >
                                    > 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                    > TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                    > interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                    > that does most of the talking is the half that
                                    > knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                    > to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                    >
                                    > If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                    > of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                    > take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                    > bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                    > could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                    > take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                    > did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                    > Coop.
                                    >
                                    > FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
                                    > have been a couple of off nights recently, but
                                    > nothing turns off rookies like a bunch of
                                    > hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at each other.
                                    >
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                                  • Mary Jo Ferris
                                    I ll drink to that! ... http://us.click.yahoo.com/6iY7fA/5WnJAA/Y3ZIAA/jswolB/TM ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of
                                    Message 17 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
                                      I'll drink to that!
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                                      > Right on!...
                                      > ...
                                      > ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                      > Brigit
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                                      > Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of
                                      > them
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                                      > > Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                      > > whatever...
                                      > >
                                      > > 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                      > > they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                      > > they're probably going to do something foolish
                                      > > involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                      > > make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                      > > year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                      > > and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                      > > being game is a bad sign.
                                      > >
                                      > > 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                      > >
                                      > > 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                      > > TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                      > > interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                      > > that does most of the talking is the half that
                                      > > knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                      > > to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                      > >
                                      > > If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                      > > of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                      > > take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                      > > bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                      > > could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                      > > take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                      > > did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                      > > Coop.
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                                      > > FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
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                                      Can t let Craig have all the fun alone. I m in. Duck ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile
                                      Message 18 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
                                        Can't let Craig have all the fun alone. I'm in.

                                        Duck

                                        --- Mary Jo Ferris <mojoferris@...> wrote:
                                        > I'll drink to that!
                                        > --- Brigit <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Right on!...
                                        > > ...
                                        > > ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                        > > Brigit
                                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > From: "Craig V. W. Lewis" <cvdwl@...>
                                        > > To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:23 PM
                                        > > Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of
                                        > > them
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                        > > > whatever...
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                        > > > they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                        > > > they're probably going to do something foolish
                                        > > > involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                        > > > make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                        > > > year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                        > > > and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                        > > > being game is a bad sign.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                        > > > TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                        > > > interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                        > > > that does most of the talking is the half that
                                        > > > knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                        > > > to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                        > > > of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                        > > > take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                        > > > bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                        > > > could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                        > > > take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                        > > > did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                        > > > Coop.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
                                        > > > have been a couple of off nights recently, but
                                        > > > nothing turns off rookies like a bunch of
                                        > > > hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at each other.
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                                      • Terry Sutton
                                        I read all the way down to where Craig called Duck a jackass, so I should get 2 beers. --T
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
                                          I read all the way down to where Craig called Duck a jackass, so I should
                                          get 2 beers.

                                          --T


                                          > Can't let Craig have all the fun alone. I'm in.
                                          >
                                          > Duck
                                          >
                                          > --- Mary Jo Ferris <mojoferris@...> wrote:
                                          > > I'll drink to that!
                                          > > --- Brigit <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Right on!...
                                          > > > ...
                                          > > > ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                          > > > Brigit
                                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > From: "Craig V. W. Lewis" <cvdwl@...>
                                          > > > To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:23 PM
                                          > > > Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of
                                          > > > them
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                          > > > > whatever...
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                          > > > > they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                          > > > > they're probably going to do something foolish
                                          > > > > involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                          > > > > make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                          > > > > year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                          > > > > and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                          > > > > being game is a bad sign.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                          > > > > TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                          > > > > interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                          > > > > that does most of the talking is the half that
                                          > > > > knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                          > > > > to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                          > > > > of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                          > > > > take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                          > > > > bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                          > > > > could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                          > > > > take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                          > > > > did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                          > > > > Coop.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
                                          > > > > have been a couple of off nights recently, but
                                          > > > > nothing turns off rookies like a bunch of
                                          > > > > hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at each other.
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                                        • Chadd, Helen
                                          Yahoo I m in too :) ... Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld ... From: Terry Sutton To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                                          Message 20 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
                                            Yahoo I'm in too :)
                                            --------------------------
                                            Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


                                            -----Original Message-----
                                            From: Terry Sutton <terrysutton@...>
                                            To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Wed Mar 30 19:01:34 2005
                                            Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them


                                            I read all the way down to where Craig called Duck a jackass, so I should
                                            get 2 beers.

                                            --T


                                            > Can't let Craig have all the fun alone. I'm in.
                                            >
                                            > Duck
                                            >
                                            > --- Mary Jo Ferris <mojoferris@...> wrote:
                                            > > I'll drink to that!
                                            > > --- Brigit <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Right on!...
                                            > > > ...
                                            > > > ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                            > > > Brigit
                                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > From: "Craig V. W. Lewis" <cvdwl@...>
                                            > > > To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                            > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:23 PM
                                            > > > Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of
                                            > > > them
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                            > > > > whatever...
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                            > > > > they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                            > > > > they're probably going to do something foolish
                                            > > > > involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                            > > > > make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                            > > > > year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                            > > > > and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                            > > > > being game is a bad sign.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                            > > > > TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                            > > > > interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                            > > > > that does most of the talking is the half that
                                            > > > > knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                            > > > > to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                            > > > > of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                            > > > > take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                            > > > > bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                            > > > > could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                            > > > > take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                            > > > > did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                            > > > > Coop.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
                                            > > > > have been a couple of off nights recently, but
                                            > > > > nothing turns off rookies like a bunch of
                                            > > > > hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at each other.
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                                          • Brigit
                                            Ah-oh. I have a feeling we aren t going to see Craig again for a very long time. He owes too many beers! ... From: Chadd, Helen
                                            Message 21 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
                                              Ah-oh. I have a feeling we aren't going to see Craig again for a very long
                                              time. He owes too many beers!

                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: "Chadd, Helen" <Helen.Chadd@...>
                                              To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                              Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:26 PM
                                              Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them


                                              >
                                              > Yahoo I'm in too :)
                                              > --------------------------
                                              > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > -----Original Message-----
                                              > From: Terry Sutton <terrysutton@...>
                                              > To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                              > Sent: Wed Mar 30 19:01:34 2005
                                              > Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > I read all the way down to where Craig called Duck a jackass, so I should
                                              > get 2 beers.
                                              >
                                              > --T
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >> Can't let Craig have all the fun alone. I'm in.
                                              >>
                                              >> Duck
                                              >>
                                              >> --- Mary Jo Ferris <mojoferris@...> wrote:
                                              >> > I'll drink to that!
                                              >> > --- Brigit <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:
                                              >> > >
                                              >> > > Right on!...
                                              >> > > ...
                                              >> > > ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                              >> > > Brigit
                                              >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              >> > > From: "Craig V. W. Lewis" <cvdwl@...>
                                              >> > > To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                              >> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:23 PM
                                              >> > > Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of
                                              >> > > them
                                              >> > >
                                              >> > >
                                              >> > > >
                                              >> > > > Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                              >> > > > whatever...
                                              >> > > >
                                              >> > > > 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                              >> > > > they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                              >> > > > they're probably going to do something foolish
                                              >> > > > involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                              >> > > > make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                              >> > > > year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                              >> > > > and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                              >> > > > being game is a bad sign.
                                              >> > > >
                                              >> > > > 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                              >> > > >
                                              >> > > > 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                              >> > > > TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                              >> > > > interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                              >> > > > that does most of the talking is the half that
                                              >> > > > knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                              >> > > > to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                              >> > > >
                                              >> > > > If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                              >> > > > of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                              >> > > > take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                              >> > > > bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                              >> > > > could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                              >> > > > take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                              >> > > > did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                              >> > > > Coop.
                                              >> > > >
                                              >> > > > FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
                                              >> > > > have been a couple of off nights recently, but
                                              >> > > > nothing turns off rookies like a bunch of
                                              >> > > > hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at each other.
                                              >> > > >
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                                            • Mark Zvilius
                                              That s ok, I work in his home town. I ll collect for y all. z
                                              Message 22 of 25 , Mar 30, 2005
                                                That's ok, I work in his home town. I'll collect for y'all.

                                                z



                                                On 3/30/05 7:47 PM, "Brigit" <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:

                                                >
                                                > Ah-oh. I have a feeling we aren't going to see Craig again for a very long
                                                > time. He owes too many beers!
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: "Chadd, Helen" <Helen.Chadd@...>
                                                > To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:26 PM
                                                > Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >>
                                                >> Yahoo I'm in too :)
                                                >> --------------------------
                                                >> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> -----Original Message-----
                                                >> From: Terry Sutton <terrysutton@...>
                                                >> To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                >> Sent: Wed Mar 30 19:01:34 2005
                                                >> Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >> I read all the way down to where Craig called Duck a jackass, so I should
                                                >> get 2 beers.
                                                >>
                                                >> --T
                                                >>
                                                >>
                                                >>> Can't let Craig have all the fun alone. I'm in.
                                                >>>
                                                >>> Duck
                                                >>>
                                                >>> --- Mary Jo Ferris <mojoferris@...> wrote:
                                                >>>> I'll drink to that!
                                                >>>> --- Brigit <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>> Right on!...
                                                >>>>> ...
                                                >>>>> ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                                >>>>> Brigit
                                                >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                >>>>> From: "Craig V. W. Lewis" <cvdwl@...>
                                                >>>>> To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:23 PM
                                                >>>>> Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of
                                                >>>>> them
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                                >>>>>> whatever...
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                                >>>>>> they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                                >>>>>> they're probably going to do something foolish
                                                >>>>>> involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                                >>>>>> make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                                >>>>>> year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                                >>>>>> and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                                >>>>>> being game is a bad sign.
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                                >>>>>> TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                                >>>>>> interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                                >>>>>> that does most of the talking is the half that
                                                >>>>>> knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                                >>>>>> to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                                >>>>>> of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                                >>>>>> take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                                >>>>>> bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                                >>>>>> could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                                >>>>>> take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                                >>>>>> did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                                >>>>>> Coop.
                                                >>>>>>
                                                >>>>>> FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
                                                >>>>>> have been a couple of off nights recently, but
                                                >>>>>> nothing turns off rookies like a bunch of
                                                >>>>>> hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at each other.
                                                >>>>>>
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                                                  At least you'll be doing something hockey related.

                                                  Duck

                                                  --- Mark Zvilius <zvilius@...> wrote:

                                                  > That's ok, I work in his home town. I'll collect for y'all.
                                                  >
                                                  > z
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > On 3/30/05 7:47 PM, "Brigit" <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Ah-oh. I have a feeling we aren't going to see Craig again for a very
                                                  > long
                                                  > > time. He owes too many beers!
                                                  > >
                                                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > > From: "Chadd, Helen" <Helen.Chadd@...>
                                                  > > To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:26 PM
                                                  > > Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> Yahoo I'm in too :)
                                                  > >> --------------------------
                                                  > >> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> -----Original Message-----
                                                  > >> From: Terry Sutton <terrysutton@...>
                                                  > >> To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > >> Sent: Wed Mar 30 19:01:34 2005
                                                  > >> Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of them
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> I read all the way down to where Craig called Duck a jackass, so I
                                                  > should
                                                  > >> get 2 beers.
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >> --T
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >>
                                                  > >>> Can't let Craig have all the fun alone. I'm in.
                                                  > >>>
                                                  > >>> Duck
                                                  > >>>
                                                  > >>> --- Mary Jo Ferris <mojoferris@...> wrote:
                                                  > >>>> I'll drink to that!
                                                  > >>>> --- Brigit <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:
                                                  > >>>>>
                                                  > >>>>> Right on!...
                                                  > >>>>> ...
                                                  > >>>>> ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                                  > >>>>> Brigit
                                                  > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                  > >>>>> From: "Craig V. W. Lewis" <cvdwl@...>
                                                  > >>>>> To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:23 PM
                                                  > >>>>> Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our treatment of
                                                  > >>>>> them
                                                  > >>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>> Ok, a couple more pesos, francs, pounds, NZ$, or
                                                  > >>>>>> whatever...
                                                  > >>>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>> 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a point. If
                                                  > >>>>>> they're too sensitive to take a little abuse,
                                                  > >>>>>> they're probably going to do something foolish
                                                  > >>>>>> involving a lawyer, and we don't want to have to
                                                  > >>>>>> make Sammy do real work and Carol suffer another
                                                  > >>>>>> year's misery. It's ok to be slow, uncoordinated
                                                  > >>>>>> and stupid (that's what Ma said anyhow), but not
                                                  > >>>>>> being game is a bad sign.
                                                  > >>>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>> 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                                  > >>>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>> 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play the game,
                                                  > >>>>>> TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's an
                                                  > >>>>>> interesting coincidence; the half of that group
                                                  > >>>>>> that does most of the talking is the half that
                                                  > >>>>>> knows the least about the game. I'll leave it up
                                                  > >>>>>> to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                                  > >>>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>> If you really don't give a damn about the future
                                                  > >>>>>> of UW Hockey, come out and say it, otherwise,
                                                  > >>>>>> take a break from your workout, get out of the
                                                  > >>>>>> bar early, and dispense a bit of wisdom. Hell, I
                                                  > >>>>>> could use some of that, too. Not that it would
                                                  > >>>>>> take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow. If you
                                                  > >>>>>> did I'll buy you a beer the next time I go to the
                                                  > >>>>>> Coop.
                                                  > >>>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>> FINALLY: I know we're all competitive, and there
                                                  > >>>>>> have been a couple of off nights recently, but
                                                  > >>>>>> nothing turns off rookies like a bunch of
                                                  > >>>>>> hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at each other.
                                                  > >>>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>>
                                                  > >>>>>>
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                                                • Craig V. W. Lewis
                                                  Zed, you have to show up to hockey, or at least the Coop, to collect. CVL P.S. Next time I ll bury it a few lines of Shakespeare. ... === message truncated ===
                                                  Message 24 of 25 , Mar 31, 2005
                                                    Zed, you have to show up to hockey, or at least
                                                    the Coop, to collect.

                                                    CVL

                                                    P.S. Next time I'll bury it a few lines of
                                                    Shakespeare.

                                                    --- Doug Roth <duckroth@...> wrote:

                                                    >
                                                    > At least you'll be doing something hockey
                                                    > related.
                                                    >
                                                    > Duck
                                                    >
                                                    > --- Mark Zvilius <zvilius@...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > > That's ok, I work in his home town. I'll
                                                    > collect for y'all.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > z
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    > > On 3/30/05 7:47 PM, "Brigit"
                                                    > <hockeybrigit@...> wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > Ah-oh. I have a feeling we aren't going to
                                                    > see Craig again for a very
                                                    > > long
                                                    > > > time. He owes too many beers!
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                    > > > From: "Chadd, Helen"
                                                    > <Helen.Chadd@...>
                                                    > > > To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:26 PM
                                                    > > > Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our
                                                    > treatment of them
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >
                                                    > > >>
                                                    > > >> Yahoo I'm in too :)
                                                    > > >> --------------------------
                                                    > > >> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
                                                    > > >>
                                                    > > >>
                                                    > > >> -----Original Message-----
                                                    > > >> From: Terry Sutton <terrysutton@...>
                                                    > > >> To: clubpuck@yahoogroups.com
                                                    > <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > > >> Sent: Wed Mar 30 19:01:34 2005
                                                    > > >> Subject: Re: [clubpuck] Rookies and our
                                                    > treatment of them
                                                    > > >>
                                                    > > >>
                                                    > > >> I read all the way down to where Craig
                                                    > called Duck a jackass, so I
                                                    > > should
                                                    > > >> get 2 beers.
                                                    > > >>
                                                    > > >> --T
                                                    > > >>
                                                    > > >>
                                                    > > >>> Can't let Craig have all the fun alone.
                                                    > I'm in.
                                                    > > >>>
                                                    > > >>> Duck
                                                    > > >>>
                                                    > > >>> --- Mary Jo Ferris <mojoferris@...>
                                                    > wrote:
                                                    > > >>>> I'll drink to that!
                                                    > > >>>> --- Brigit <hockeybrigit@...>
                                                    > wrote:
                                                    > > >>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>> Right on!...
                                                    > > >>>>> ...
                                                    > > >>>>> ...you owe me a beer... ;)
                                                    > > >>>>> Brigit
                                                    > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                                    > > >>>>> From: "Craig V. W. Lewis"
                                                    > <cvdwl@...>
                                                    > > >>>>> To: <clubpuck@yahoogroups.com>
                                                    > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:23 PM
                                                    > > >>>>> Subject: RE: [clubpuck] Rookies and our
                                                    > treatment of
                                                    > > >>>>> them
                                                    > > >>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>> Ok, a couple more pesos, francs,
                                                    > pounds, NZ$, or
                                                    > > >>>>>> whatever...
                                                    > > >>>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>> 1) Cliffy, in his laconic way, has a
                                                    > point. If
                                                    > > >>>>>> they're too sensitive to take a little
                                                    > abuse,
                                                    > > >>>>>> they're probably going to do something
                                                    > foolish
                                                    > > >>>>>> involving a lawyer, and we don't want
                                                    > to have to
                                                    > > >>>>>> make Sammy do real work and Carol
                                                    > suffer another
                                                    > > >>>>>> year's misery. It's ok to be slow,
                                                    > uncoordinated
                                                    > > >>>>>> and stupid (that's what Ma said
                                                    > anyhow), but not
                                                    > > >>>>>> being game is a bad sign.
                                                    > > >>>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>> 2) One coach good, many coaches bad.
                                                    > > >>>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>> 3) Y'all who claim to know how to play
                                                    > the game,
                                                    > > >>>>>> TEACH IT!!! In Orange-Green, there's
                                                    > an
                                                    > > >>>>>> interesting coincidence; the half of
                                                    > that group
                                                    > > >>>>>> that does most of the talking is the
                                                    > half that
                                                    > > >>>>>> knows the least about the game. I'll
                                                    > leave it up
                                                    > > >>>>>> to you to decide who I just insulted.
                                                    > > >>>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>> If you really don't give a damn about
                                                    > the future
                                                    > > >>>>>> of UW Hockey, come out and say it,
                                                    > otherwise,
                                                    > > >>>>>> take a break from your workout, get
                                                    > out of the
                                                    > > >>>>>> bar early, and dispense a bit of
                                                    > wisdom. Hell, I
                                                    > > >>>>>> could use some of that, too. Not that
                                                    > it would
                                                    > > >>>>>> take. Ha, noone read this far anyhow.
                                                    > If you
                                                    > > >>>>>> did I'll buy you a beer the next time
                                                    > I go to the
                                                    > > >>>>>> Coop.
                                                    > > >>>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>> FINALLY: I know we're all
                                                    > competitive, and there
                                                    > > >>>>>> have been a couple of off nights
                                                    > recently, but
                                                    > > >>>>>> nothing turns off rookies like a bunch
                                                    > of
                                                    > > >>>>>> hyper-competitive jackasses yelling at
                                                    > each other.
                                                    > > >>>>>>
                                                    > > >>>>>>
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                                                  • Chris McDowell
                                                    Quoth the bard, ...to die, to sleep, to sleep...perchance to dream (of FREE BEER!!!)? Ay, there s the rub. For in that sleep of death, what BEERS may come?
                                                    Message 25 of 25 , Mar 31, 2005
                                                      Quoth the bard,

                                                      "...to die, to sleep, to sleep...perchance to dream (of FREE
                                                      BEER!!!)? Ay, there's the rub. For in that sleep of death, what
                                                      BEERS may come?"
                                                      *
                                                      *
                                                      Speaking of free stuff (sorta), I still owe somebody a foot rub from
                                                      PCC's. Call to collect...
                                                      *
                                                      *
                                                      Congratulations on the arrival of Carson; nicely done Ang & Steve.

                                                      --C. Clavin





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