Thank you Mary Croft.... YES rebellion against violation of decent rights and the incessant sucking of resources from the working people is a GOOD thing.....
 
A GREAT posting!!!   --- Nancy

--- On Thu, 1/1/09, MaryK Croft <marykcroft@...> wrote:

From: MaryK Croft <marykcroft@...>
Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty said...
To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 8:23 PM







Resistance to tyranny takes many forms. Making speed cameras obsolete and proving their unconstitutionality is not really much different from denying territory to the dark side by utilizing our cloudbusters and other related techniques.

We are many, those of us who rebel against the overlords. Some may think it's a prank, but others are fully aware of what their participation means. --MaryK

Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given. (Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman)

To: cloudbusters@ yahoogroups. comFrom: SouthLodge@att. netDate: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 23:11:10 -0500Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty said...

MaryK, this is really charming. I have friends who have lived in thePotomac area, even on "democracy street." I'm a little vague on how it relates to our group's purpose, though. Couldyou explain why you posted it here?Thanks! Heidi -----Original Message----- From: cloudbusters@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:cloudbusters@ yahoogroups. com] OnBehalf Of MaryK CroftSent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:27 PMSubject: [cloudbusters] Scotty said......The more they overhaul the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up thedrain." (Star Trek) Here's an example. I wonder of these pranksters knowthat they are doing guerilla type stuff? --MaryK Local teens claim pranks on county's Speed Camsby Joe Slaninka Montgomery County Sentinel,As a prank, students from local high schools have been taking advantage ofthe county's Speed Camera Program in order to exact revenge on people whothey believe have wronged them in the past, including other students andeven teachersStudents from
Richard Montgomery High School dubbed theprank the Speed Camera "Pimping" game, according to a parent of a studentenrolled at one of the high schools. Originating from Wootton High School, the parent said,students duplicate the license plates by printing plate numbers on glossyphoto paper, using fonts from certain websites that "mimic" those onMaryland license plates. They tape the duplicate plate over the existingplate on the back of their car and purposefully speed through a speedcamera, the parent said. The victim then receives a citation in the maildays laterStudents are even obtaining vehicles from their friends thatare similar or identical to the make and model of the car owned by thetargeted victim, according to the parent. "This game is very disturbing," the parent said. "Especiallysince unsuspecting parents will also be victimized through receipt ofunwarranted photo speed ticketsThe parent said that "our civil rights are exploited," andthe
entire premise behind the Speed Camera Program is called into questionas a result of the growing this fad among studentsThe Speed Camera Program was implemented in March of thisyear and used for the purpose of reducing traffic and pedestrian collisionsin the county. Cameras are located in residential areas and school zoneswhere the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or lower. A $40 citationis mailed to the owner of the car for violating the speed limit in theseareasThe Montgomery County Police said they have not seen orheard of this prank occurring but said they will keep an eye out for peoplecommitting the crime. "I hope the public at large will complain loudly enough thatlocal Montgomery County government officials will change their policy ofusing these cameras for monetary gain," the parent said. "The practice ofsending speeding tickets to faceless recipients without any type ofverification is unwarranted and an exploitation of our rights."
Edward Owusu, Assistant Principal at Wootton High School, said that he heardof local students pulling the prank when the school received a call from aparent informing them of its occurrence. "I have not heard of this happeningamong students at Wootton," Osuwu said. "It is unfortunate that kids have alot of time on their hands that they can think of doing such a thing."Montgomery County Council President Phil Andrews said thatthe issue is troubling in several respects. "I am concerned that someonecould get hurt, first of all, because they are speeding in areas where theyknow speeding is a problem," he saidAndrews also said that this could hurt the integrity of theSpeed Camera Program. "It will cause potential problems for the Speed CameraProgram in terms of the confidence in it," he said.He said he is glad someone caught it before it becomes morewidespread and he said he hopes that the word get out to the peopleparticipating in this that there will be
consequences. Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given. (Unknown author,found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman)[Non- text portions of this message have been removed]---- --------- --------- --------- -----Yahoo! Groups Links

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MaryK,

Didn't expect you'd go ahead and explain, on the group. Very gracious of
you -- thank you!

It does happen to be on-topic, because this group's purpose is discussion of
Don's cloudbuster and related technologies for energy-healing. There's
still a question floating around as to whether Don's another agent -- mixing
a little fact with a lot of fantasy to spin interested people off into la-la
land, along with other techniques. That possibility directly ties in with
the integrity of his work.

I guess Bradley never revealed what it was he claimed you'd done to Don at
age 3? ;->

When I was two, my parents took a little vacation and left me with my
grandmother. I made her life a misery until they returned.

Must have been difficult for you, to have no Mom around and to have no idea
where she was. I'd think your Dad would be going crazy over it, if he was
around. Ever try getting in touch with the babysitters other than your
cousins?

There's one thing that puzzles me; maybe it's just how I process written
language -- but

"It wasn't until August 2002 that I finally got a computer and joined the
group... then met Dragon and, with Don's recommendation and blessing... here
we are."

Did Don recommend and give his blessing that you two join this group?

Thanks so much!

Heidi




-----Original Message-----
From: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of MaryK Croft
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:27 AM
To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com; Al
Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty said...


Back in the early days on Stuart's forum, cloud-busters, Don remarked on his
M-Kid status numerous times. Said he had been told over the years by various
psychics. Our family qualifies in all sorts of ways: Masonic connections
(Granddad Croft was Harry Truman's lodge-brother and our maternal grandpa
was from a German Masonic family); military (you know about our daddy being
an Air Force pilot) and proximity to a lab being run at Kansas City. There
was also the six months our mother was gone when I was 3 and Don and Jim
were 5 and 7, when we had a series of babysitters. I became a moderator for
a time (until Don insisted I be removed from that.)

I added that to some very wierd torture dreams that I dealt with during
later childhood-- nightmares, I thought. My aunt had told me how much I had
changed during those six months and what a holy terror I became; just last
weekend I spent time in Kansas City with my older cousins, her two
daughters, who told me of how exasperating we three were when they babysat
on occasion.

There is also the experiences we had back in the days when Lorae lived with
us and we did "sessions". She described how Don was successfully programmed
at that time but I had resisted utterly; he was additonally programmed to
hate me, and this was horribly evident during our entire childhood and as
adults we seldom saw each other. There was that one time in 1998 when I
visited him in Ashland, Oregon, and he taught me how to make zappers-- then
turned on me and kicked me out. I probably needed that. There wasn't enough
room and all I could think about was playing music at the numerous local
venues with open mic nights. Left my kids with him nearly every night for
three weeks.

It wasn't until August 2002 that I finally got a computer and joined the
group... then met Dragon and, with Don's recommendation and blessing... here
we are.

Don Bradley told me on the phone after he got together with Don and Carol
and Mark Davies (New Year 2004), what was wrong between my brother and me.
"It was something you did to him when he was 5," Bradley reported. Imagine
his response when I responded, incredulously, "But I was only 3!"

That's the story. --MaryK Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is
given. (Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky
Friedman)



To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...: Fri, 2 Jan
2009 09:07:51 -0500Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty said...



It was my question, and it wasn't on the group, and ...Lol.----I didn't
answer? How long ago was that? Is discussing M-Kids within thepurpose of
this group? --MaryKCourtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Loveis given.
(Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by KinkyFriedman)To:
cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...: Thu, 1 Jan2009
23:38:24 -0500Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty said...Resistance to
tyrrany also has many dedicated websites. As you know, this isnot one of
them. This little Yahoo group is about yourbrother's cloudbusterdesign and
**directly-related** discussions.After you stated it was so, Iasked you once
how you learned that you andyour brother were "Mkids." As ittranspired, I
did not even receive a "wellI'd rather not say." I receivenothing in reply
to that question. So I letit pass.No more wordmeistering,,please. Let's get
on with the purpose of thisgroup.Thanks!Heidi-----Original Message-----From:
cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com[mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf
Of MaryK CroftSent: Thursday,January 01, 2009 11:23 PMTo:
cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE:[cloudbusters] Scotty
said...Resistance to tyranny takes many forms. Makingspeed cameras obsolete
andproving their unconstitutionality is not reallymuch different from
denyingterritory to the dark side by utilizing ourcloudbusters and other
relatedtechniques.We are many, those of us who rebelagainst the overlords.
Some may thinkit's a prank, but others are fullyaware of what their
participation means.--MaryK Courtesy is owed. Respect isearned. Love is
given. (Unknown author,found in Guide to Texas Etiquette byKinky
Friedman)To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...:Thu, 1
Jan2009 23:11:10 -0500Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scottysaid...MaryK, this
is really charming. I have friends who have lived inthePotomacarea, even on
"democracy street." I'm a little vague on how itrelates toour group's
purpose, though. Couldyou explain why you postedithere?Thanks!Heidi
-----OriginalMessage-----From:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com[mailto:cloudbuste
rs@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalfOf MaryK CroftSent: Thursday,January 01, 2009
10:27 PMSubject:[cloudbusters] Scotty said......The morethey overhaul the
plumbing, theeasier it is to stop up thedrain." (StarTrek) Here's an
example. I wonderof these pranksters knowthat they are doingguerilla type
stuff? --MaryKLocal teens claim pranks on county's SpeedCamsby Joe Slaninka
MontgomeryCounty Sentinel,As a prank, students fromlocal high schools have
beentaking advantage ofthe county's Speed CameraProgram in order to
exactrevenge on people whothey believe have wronged themin the past,
includingother students andeven teachersStudents from RichardMontgomery High
Schooldubbed theprank the Speed Camera "Pimping" game,according to a parent
of astudentenrolled at one of the high schools.Originating from Wootton
HighSchool, the parent said,students duplicate thelicense plates by
printingplate numbers on glossyphoto paper, using fontsfrom certain websites
that"mimic" those onMaryland license plates. They tapethe duplicate plate
overthe existingplate on the back of their car andpurposefully speed through
aspeedcamera, the parent said. The victim thenreceives a citation in
themaildays laterStudents are even obtaining vehiclesfrom their
friendsthatare similar or identical to the make and model of thecar owned
bythetargeted victim, according to the parent. "This game is
verydisturbing,"the parent said. "Especiallysince unsuspecting parents will
alsobevictimized through receipt ofunwarranted photo speed ticketsThe
parentsaidthat "our civil rights are exploited," andthe entire premise
behindtheSpeed Camera Program is called into questionas a result of the
growingthisfad among studentsThe Speed Camera Program was implemented in
Marchofthisyear and used for the purpose of reducing traffic
andpedestriancollisionsin the county. Cameras are located in residential
areasand schoolzoneswhere the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour or
lower. A$40citationis mailed to the owner of the car for violating the speed
limitintheseareasThe Montgomery County Police said they have not seen
orheardofthis prank occurring but said they will keep an eye out
forpeoplecommittingthe crime. "I hope the public at large will complain
loudlyenough thatlocalMontgomery County government officials will change
theirpolicy ofusingthese cameras for monetary gain," the parent said.
"Thepractice ofsendingspeeding tickets to faceless recipients without any
typeofverification isunwarranted and an exploitation of our rights."
EdwardOwusu, AssistantPrincipal at Wootton High School, said that he heardof
localstudentspulling the prank when the school received a call from
aparentinformingthem of its occurrence. "I have not heard of this
happeningamongstudents atWootton," Osuwu said. "It is unfortunate that kids
have alot oftime ontheir hands that they can think of doing such a
thing."MontgomeryCountyCouncil President Phil Andrews said thatthe issue is
troubling inseveralrespects. "I am concerned that someonecould get hurt,
first of all,becausethey are speeding in areas where theyknow speeding is a
problem,"hesaidAndrews also said that this could hurt the integrity of
theSpeedCameraProgram. "It will cause potential problems for the Speed
CameraPrograminterms of the confidence in it," he said.He said he is glad
someone caughtitbefore it becomes morewidespread and he said he hopes that
the word getoutto the peopleparticipating in this that there will be
consequences.Courtesyis owed. Respect is earned. Love is given. (Unknown
author,found inGuide toTexas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman)[Non-text portions
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In July of 2002, this particular group was declared by Don to be ridden with agents; he knew because suddenly, for some reason, he was blocked. So he got Stuart to start a new forum, cloud-busters.com, and most of the participants moved over there. I joined just afterwards.

The blessing came when it was clear that Dragon and I were courting, on-line. We didn't actually meet until late October.

Is Don an agent? I believe that it's inadvertant, but that his erratic behavior is a sign of earlier programming. And that breaks down over time, requiring re-programming. How strange, that he went through periods of brilliance and inventiveness, but then dragged his feet and stopped. What he was using in the spring of 2003 is what he is still using. But the Other Side has not stopped its innovations in response to what our side does. And we, many people including those we do not know working in parallel fashion (including purely mental), have not. --MaryK

Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given. (Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman)



To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:47:45 -0500Subject: [cloudbusters] Crofts and Mkids



MaryK,Didn't expect you'd go ahead and explain, on the group. Very gracious ofyou -- thank you! It does happen to be on-topic, because this group's purpose is discussion ofDon's cloudbuster and related technologies for energy-healing. There'sstill a question floating around as to whether Don's another agent -- mixinga little fact with a lot of fantasy to spin interested people off into la-laland, along with other techniques. That possibility directly ties in withthe integrity of his work.I guess Bradley never revealed what it was he claimed you'd done to Don atage 3? ;-> When I was two, my parents took a little vacation and left me with mygrandmother. I made her life a misery until they returned. Must have been difficult for you, to have no Mom around and to have no ideawhere she was. I'd think your Dad would be going crazy over it, if he wasaround. Ever try getting in touch with the babysitters other than yourcousins? There's one thing that puzzles me; maybe it's just how I process writtenlanguage -- but "It wasn't until August 2002 that I finally got a computer and joined thegroup... then met Dragon and, with Don's recommendation and blessing... herewe are."Did Don recommend and give his blessing that you two join this group? Thanks so much!Heidi-----Original Message-----From: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of MaryK CroftSent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:27 AMTo: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com; AlSubject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty said...Back in the early days on Stuart's forum, cloud-busters, Don remarked on hisM-Kid status numerous times. Said he had been told over the years by variouspsychics. Our family qualifies in all sorts of ways: Masonic connections(Granddad Croft was Harry Truman's lodge-brother and our maternal grandpawas from a German Masonic family); military (you know about our daddy beingan Air Force pilot) and proximity to a lab being run at Kansas City. Therewas also the six months our mother was gone when I was 3 and Don and Jimwere 5 and 7, when we had a series of babysitters. I became a moderator fora time (until Don insisted I be removed from that.) I added that to some very wierd torture dreams that I dealt with duringlater childhood-- nightmares, I thought. My aunt had told me how much I hadchanged during those six months and what a holy terror I became; just lastweekend I spent time in Kansas City with my older cousins, her twodaughters, who told me of how exasperating we three were when they babysaton occasion.There is also the experiences we had back in the days when Lorae lived withus and we did "sessions". She described how Don was successfully programmedat that time but I had resisted utterly; he was additonally programmed tohate me, and this was horribly evident during our entire childhood and asadults we seldom saw each other. There was that one time in 1998 when Ivisited him in Ashland, Oregon, and he taught me how to make zappers-- thenturned on me and kicked me out. I probably needed that. There wasn't enoughroom and all I could think about was playing music at the numerous localvenues with open mic nights. Left my kids with him nearly every night forthree weeks.It wasn't until August 2002 that I finally got a computer and joined thegroup... then met Dragon and, with Don's recommendation and blessing... herewe are.Don Bradley told me on the phone after he got together with Don and Caroland Mark Davies (New Year 2004), what was wrong between my brother and me."It was something you did to him when he was 5," Bradley reported. Imaginehis response when I responded, incredulously, "But I was only 3!"That's the story. --MaryK Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love isgiven. (Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by KinkyFriedman)To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...: Fri, 2 Jan2009 09:07:51 -0500Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty said...It was my question, and it wasn't on the group, and ...Lol.----I didn'tanswer? How long ago was that? Is discussing M-Kids within thepurpose ofthis group? --MaryKCourtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Loveis given.(Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by KinkyFriedman)To:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...: Thu, 1 Jan200923:38:24 -0500Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty said...Resistance totyrrany also has many dedicated websites. As you know, this isnot one ofthem. This little Yahoo group is about yourbrother's cloudbusterdesign and**directly-related** discussions.After you stated it was so, Iasked you oncehow you learned that you andyour brother were "Mkids." As ittranspired, Idid not even receive a "wellI'd rather not say." I receivenothing in replyto that question. So I letit pass.No more wordmeistering,,please. Let's geton with the purpose of thisgroup.Thanks!Heidi-----Original Message-----From:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com[mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalfOf MaryK CroftSent: Thursday,January 01, 2009 11:23 PMTo:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE:[cloudbusters] Scottysaid...Resistance to tyranny takes many forms. Makingspeed cameras obsoleteandproving their unconstitutionality is not reallymuch different fromdenyingterritory to the dark side by utilizing ourcloudbusters and otherrelatedtechniques.We are many, those of us who rebelagainst the overlords.Some may thinkit's a prank, but others are fullyaware of what theirparticipation means.--MaryK Courtesy is owed. Respect isearned. Love isgiven. (Unknown author,found in Guide to Texas Etiquette byKinkyFriedman)To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...:Thu, 1Jan2009 23:11:10 -0500Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scottysaid...MaryK, thisis really charming. I have friends who have lived inthePotomacarea, even on"democracy street." I'm a little vague on how itrelates toour group'spurpose, though. Couldyou explain why you postedithere?Thanks!Heidi-----OriginalMessage-----From:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com[mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalfOf MaryK CroftSent: Thursday,January 01, 200910:27 PMSubject:[cloudbusters] Scotty said......The morethey overhaul theplumbing, theeasier it is to stop up thedrain." (StarTrek) Here's anexample. I wonderof these pranksters knowthat they are doingguerilla typestuff? --MaryKLocal teens claim pranks on county's SpeedCamsby Joe SlaninkaMontgomeryCounty Sentinel,As a prank, students fromlocal high schools havebeentaking advantage ofthe county's Speed CameraProgram in order toexactrevenge on people whothey believe have wronged themin the past,includingother students andeven teachersStudents from RichardMontgomery HighSchooldubbed theprank the Speed Camera "Pimping" game,according to a parentof astudentenrolled at one of the high schools.Originating from WoottonHighSchool, the parent said,students duplicate thelicense plates byprintingplate numbers on glossyphoto paper, using fontsfrom certain websitesthat"mimic" those onMaryland license plates. They tapethe duplicate plateoverthe existingplate on the back of their car andpurposefully speed throughaspeedcamera, the parent said. The victim thenreceives a citation inthemaildays laterStudents are even obtaining vehiclesfrom theirfriendsthatare similar or identical to the make and model of thecar ownedbythetargeted victim, according to the parent. "This game isverydisturbing,"the parent said. "Especiallysince unsuspecting parents willalsobevictimized through receipt ofunwarranted photo speed ticketsTheparentsaidthat "our civil rights are exploited," andthe entire premisebehindtheSpeed Camera Program is called into questionas a result of thegrowingthisfad among studentsThe Speed Camera Program was implemented inMarchofthisyear and used for the purpose of reducing trafficandpedestriancollisionsin the county. Cameras are located in residentialareasand schoolzoneswhere the posted speed limit is 35 miles per hour orlower. A$40citationis mailed to the owner of the car for violating the speedlimitintheseareasThe Montgomery County Police said they have not seenorheardofthis prank occurring but said they will keep an eye outforpeoplecommittingthe crime. "I hope the public at large will complainloudlyenough thatlocalMontgomery County government officials will changetheirpolicy ofusingthese cameras for monetary gain," the parent said."Thepractice ofsendingspeeding tickets to faceless recipients without anytypeofverification isunwarranted and an exploitation of our rights."EdwardOwusu, AssistantPrincipal at Wootton High School, said that he heardoflocalstudentspulling the prank when the school received a call fromaparentinformingthem of its occurrence. "I have not heard of thishappeningamongstudents atWootton," Osuwu said. "It is unfortunate that kidshave alot oftime ontheir hands that they can think of doing such athing."MontgomeryCountyCouncil President Phil Andrews said thatthe issue istroubling inseveralrespects. "I am concerned that someonecould get hurt,first of all,becausethey are speeding in areas where theyknow speeding is aproblem,"hesaidAndrews also said that this could hurt the integrity oftheSpeedCameraProgram. "It will cause potential problems for the SpeedCameraPrograminterms of the confidence in it," he said.He said he is gladsomeone caughtitbefore it becomes morewidespread and he said he hopes thatthe word getoutto the peopleparticipating in this that there will beconsequences.Courtesyis owed. Respect is earned. Love is given. (Unknownauthor,found inGuide toTexas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman)[Non-text portionsof this messagehavebeen removed]------------------------------------Yahoo!Groups Links[Non-text portions of this message havebeenremoved]------------------------------------Yahoo! 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It's a salient point, that apparently none of the adults knew or shared with
you kids where your mother was or when she'd return, yet you three were
abandoned alone. Did Jim have a clearer perspective on it, since he was of
an age to observe and recall such a traumatic situation?

As you say, willingly or inadvertently, a great deal of what Don says and
does is suspect. As I mentioned, the main thrust of any Agent online action
is to sow confusion. He has certainly done that. One of the reasons I post
to croft-inspired forums at all is to tease out the fact from the fantasy,
comic-book fiction, and outright crap he's provided so voluminously over a
very short period of time.

By the way, when you reply from your MSN email client, the entire rest of
the text of the thread gets smushed together & obscured - very hard to read.
So, I went to the bottom and un-smushed at least the immediately preceding
message.

I'm still wondering -- it's so easy to form opinions based on incomplete,
flawed, or otherwise shaky data. Bradley said you were 3 years old and did
"something" to Don but then never specified what it was. We can set aside
for the moment Bradley's reliability, LOL. If it had been me, I would have
been eager to learn what it was.




-----Original Message-----
From: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of MaryK Croft
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:03 AM
To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Crofts and Mkids


In July of 2002, this particular group was declared by Don to be ridden with
agents; he knew because suddenly, for some reason, he was blocked. So he got
Stuart to start a new forum, cloud-busters.com, and most of the participants
moved over there. I joined just afterwards.

The blessing came when it was clear that Dragon and I were courting,
on-line. We didn't actually meet until late October.

Is Don an agent? I believe that it's inadvertant, but that his erratic
behavior is a sign of earlier programming. And that breaks down over time,
requiring re-programming. How strange, that he went through periods of
brilliance and inventiveness, but then dragged his feet and stopped. What he
was using in the spring of 2003 is what he is still using. But the Other
Side has not stopped its innovations in response to what our side does. And
we, many people including those we do not know working in parallel fashion
(including purely mental), have not. --MaryK

Courtesy is owed. Respect is earned. Love is given. (Unknown author,
found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by Kinky Friedman)



To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...: Fri, 2 Jan
2009 10:47:45 -0500Subject: [cloudbusters] Crofts and Mkids

MaryK,

Didn't expect you'd go ahead and explain, on the group. Very gracious ofyou
-- thank you!

It does happen to be on-topic, because this group's purpose is discussion
ofDon's cloudbuster and related technologies for energy-healing. There's
still a question floating around as to whether Don's another agent --
mixinga little fact with a lot of fantasy to spin interested people off into
la-laland, along with other techniques. That possibility directly ties in
withthe integrity of his work.

I guess Bradley never revealed what it was he claimed you'd done to Don at
age 3? ;->

When I was two, my parents took a little vacation and left me with
mygrandmother. I made her life a misery until they returned. Must have been
difficult for you, to have no Mom around and to have no ideawhere she was.
I'd think your Dad would be going crazy over it, if he was around. Ever try
getting in touch with the babysitters other than your cousins?

There's one thing that puzzles me; maybe it's just how I process
writtenlanguage -- but

"It wasn't until August 2002 that I finally got a computer and joined the
group... then met Dragon and, with Don's recommendation and blessing... Here
we are."
Did Don recommend and give his blessing that you two join this group? Thanks
so much!

Heidi

-----Original Message-----From: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of MaryK CroftSent: Friday,
January 02, 2009 9:27 AMTo: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com; AlSubject: RE:
[cloudbusters] Scotty said...Back in the early days on Stuart's forum,
cloud-busters, Don remarked on hisM-Kid status numerous times. Said he had
been told over the years by variouspsychics. Our family qualifies in all
sorts of ways: Masonic connections(Granddad Croft was Harry Truman's
lodge-brother and our maternal grandpawas from a German Masonic family);
military (you know about our daddy beingan Air Force pilot) and proximity to
a lab being run at Kansas City. Therewas also the six months our mother was
gone when I was 3 and Don and Jimwere 5 and 7, when we had a series of
babysitters. I became a moderator fora time (until Don insisted I be removed
from that.) I added that to some very wierd torture dreams that I dealt with
duringlater childhood-- nightmares, I thought. My aunt had told me how much
I hadchanged during those six months and what a holy terror I became; just
lastweekend I spent time in Kansas City with my older cousins, her
twodaughters, who told me of how exasperating we three were when they
babysaton occasion.There is also the experiences we had back in the days
when Lorae lived withus and we did "sessions". She described how Don was
successfully programmedat that time but I had resisted utterly; he was
additonally programmed tohate me, and this was horribly evident during our
entire childhood and asadults we seldom saw each other. There was that one
time in 1998 when Ivisited him in Ashland, Oregon, and he taught me how to
make zappers-- thenturned on me and kicked me out. I probably needed that.
There wasn't enoughroom and all I could think about was playing music at the
numerous localvenues with open mic nights. Left my kids with him nearly
every night forthree weeks.It wasn't until August 2002 that I finally got a
computer and joined thegroup... then met Dragon and, with Don's
recommendation and blessing... herewe are.Don Bradley told me on the phone
after he got together with Don and Caroland Mark Davies (New Year 2004),
what was wrong between my brother and me."It was something you did to him
when he was 5," Bradley reported. Imaginehis response when I responded,
incredulously, "But I was only 3!"That's the story. --MaryK Courtesy is
owed. Respect is earned. Love isgiven. (Unknown author, found in Guide to
Texas Etiquette by KinkyFriedman)To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom:
SouthLodge@...: Fri, 2 Jan2009 09:07:51 -0500Subject: RE:
[cloudbusters] Scotty said...It was my question, and it wasn't on the group,
and ...Lol.----I didn'tanswer? How long ago was that? Is discussing M-Kids
within thepurpose ofthis group? --MaryKCourtesy is owed. Respect is earned.
Loveis given.(Unknown author, found in Guide to Texas Etiquette by
KinkyFriedman)To:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom: SouthLodge@...:
Thu, 1 Jan200923:38:24 -0500Subject: RE: [cloudbusters] Scotty
said...Resistance totyrrany also has many dedicated websites. As you know,
this isnot one ofthem. This little Yahoo group is about yourbrother's
cloudbusterdesign and**directly-related** discussions.After you stated it
was so, Iasked you oncehow you learned that you andyour brother were
"Mkids." As ittranspired, Idid not even receive a "wellI'd rather not say."
I receivenothing in replyto that question. So I letit pass.No more
wordmeistering,,please. Let's geton with the purpose of
thisgroup.Thanks!Heidi-----Original
Message-----From:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com[mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroup
s.com] OnBehalfOf MaryK CroftSent: Thursday,January 01, 2009 11:23
PMTo:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE:[cloudbusters]
Scottysaid...Resistance to tyranny takes many forms. Makingspeed cameras
obsoleteandproving their unconstitutionality is not reallymuch different
fromdenyingterritory to the dark side by utilizing ourcloudbusters and
otherrelatedtechniques.We are many, those of us who rebelagainst the
overlords.Some may thinkit's a prank, but others are fullyaware of what
theirparticipation means.--MaryK Courtesy is owed. Respect isearned. Love
isgiven. (Unknown author,found in Guide to Texas Etiquette
byKinkyFriedman)To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.comFrom:
SouthLodge@...:Thu, 1Jan2009 23:11:10 -0500Subject: RE:
[cloudbusters] Scottysaid...MaryK, thisis really charming. I have friends
who have lived inthePotomacarea, even on"democracy street." I'm a little
vague on how itrelates toour group'spurpose, though. Couldyou explain why
you
postedithere?Thanks!Heidi-----OriginalMessage-----From:cloudbusters@yahoogro
ups.com[mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalfOf MaryK CroftSent:
Thursday,January 01, 200910:27 PMSubject:[cloudbusters] Scotty said......The
morethey overhaul theplumbing, theeasier it is to stop up thedrain."
(StarTrek) Here's anexample. I wonderof these pranksters knowthat they are
doingguerilla typestuff? --MaryKLocal teens claim pranks on county's
SpeedCamsby Joe SlaninkaMontgomeryCounty Sentinel,As a prank, students
fromlocal high schools havebeentaking advantage ofthe county's Speed
CameraProgram in order toexactrevenge on people whothey believe have wronged
themin the past,includingother students andeven teachersStudents from
RichardMontgomery HighSchooldubbed theprank the Speed Camera "Pimping"
game,according to a parentof astudentenrolled at one of the high
schools.Originating from WoottonHighSchool, the parent said,students
duplicate thelicense plates byprintingplate numbers on glossyphoto paper,
using fontsfrom certain websitesthat"mimic" those onMaryland license plates.
They tapethe duplicate plateoverthe existingplate on the back of their car
andpurposefully speed throughaspeedcamera, the parent said. The victim
thenreceives a citation inthemaildays laterStudents are even obtaining
vehiclesfrom theirfriendsthatare similar or identical to the make and model
of thecar ownedbythetargeted victim, according to the parent. "This game
isverydisturbing,"the parent said. "Especiallysince unsuspecting parents
willalsobevictimized through receipt ofunwarranted photo speed
ticketsTheparentsaidthat "our civil rights are exploited," andthe entire
premisebehindtheSpeed Camera Program is called into questionas a result of
thegrowingthisfad among studentsThe Speed Camera Program was implemented
inMarchofthisyear and used for the purpose of reducing
trafficandpedestriancollisionsin the county. Cameras are located in
residentialareasand schoolzoneswhere the posted speed limit is 35 miles per
hour orlower. A$40citationis mailed to the owner of the car for violating
the speedlimitintheseareasThe Montgomery County Police said they have not
seenorheardofthis prank occurring but said they will keep an eye
outforpeoplecommittingthe crime. "I hope the public at large will
complainloudlyenough thatlocalMontgomery County government officials will
changetheirpolicy ofusingthese cameras for monetary gain," the parent
said."Thepractice ofsendingspeeding tickets to faceless recipients without
anytypeofverification isunwarranted and an exploitation of our
rights."EdwardOwusu, AssistantPrincipal at Wootton High School, said that he
heardoflocalstudentspulling the prank when the school received a call
fromaparentinformingthem of its occurrence. "I have not heard of
thishappeningamongstudents atWootton," Osuwu said. "It is unfortunate that
kidshave alot oftime ontheir hands that they can think of doing such
athing."MontgomeryCountyCouncil President Phil Andrews said thatthe issue
istroubling inseveralrespects. "I am concerned that someonecould get
hurt,first of all,becausethey are speeding in areas where theyknow speeding
is aproblem,"hesaidAndrews also said that this could hurt the integrity
oftheSpeedCameraProgram. "It will cause potential problems for the
SpeedCameraPrograminterms of the confidence in it," he said.He said he is
gladsomeone caughtitbefore it becomes morewidespread and he said he hopes
thatthe word getoutto the peopleparticipating in this that there will
beconsequences.Courtesyis owed. Respect is earned. Love is given.
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--- In cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com, "southlodge" <SouthLodge@...>
wrote:

> I'm still wondering -- it's so easy to form opinions based on

incomplete,

> flawed, or otherwise shaky data. Bradley said you were 3 years old

and did

> "something" to Don but then never specified what it was. We can

set aside

> for the moment Bradley's reliability, LOL. If it had been me, I

would have

> been eager to learn what it was.
>

Bradley had said he didn't know what, or why. And he didn't realize
that I was a younger sibling.

That was called the "Gang of Four"-- Don and Carol, Bradley, and
Stuart (or was it Davies?) And Mark was called an Agent, then not,
then an Agent again, then he flew from England to Idaho to meet Don
and Carol. Driving with them to San Francisco, the other two met them
there. Davies was given the all-clear after that long car ride, and
the "Love-Fest" resulted in Dragon and I getting kicked off cloud-
busters. So did some other people.

Erratic behavior? Re-programming? Why didn't Davies simply fly to San
Francisco? It was wierd then, and now... Don continues to start up
new groups, taking only those considered loyal with him, and everyone
left behind are Agents, Provocateurs, and Prevaricators. His closed
group is part of why we don't really want a closed group here. Too
often, newbies arrive by sometimes circuitous routes and often become
valuable participants. Not in Don's inner circle, though! And
several family members asked me how he earns a living. I couldn't
answer truthfully, that people simply give him money. Zappers, I
suppose, I said to my mother and cousins... He's taking flying
lessons, Mom reported (she was there in September) and living in an
old hanger, having to shovel snow off the roof lately. Gee, I'm glad
he's taking lessons, after seeing the YouTube video about crashing
his ultralight!

MaryK: Erratic behavior? Re-programming? Why didn't Davies simply fly to
San Francisco? It was wierd then, and now... Don continues to start up new
groups, taking only those considered loyal with him, and everyone left
behind are Agents, Provocateurs, and prevaricators.

Heidi:
Erratic behavior certainly, but what if (rather than reprogramming or other
obscure reasons) he's just a slick operator who's currently running out of
money? That could have been the case for a long time. Where the money
comes from is indeed curious, but it could simply be that he had a plan to
buy stock in orgonite-related materials before he splashed all the stories
around to begin with. And stocks, as you know, have done about as well
lately as Don's evident finances.

MaryK: His closed group is part of why we don't really want a closed group
here. Too often, newbies arrive by sometimes circuitous routes and often
become valuable participants.

Heidi:

Well, let me explain again what "Closed" would mean for this group. It
wouldn't be visible for public reading. All Don's groups have always been
visible to public reading.

That's the first difference.

The second difference is that the join-up would remain the same. We ask
that a message come along with the request to join. None of us, John or Jon
or I, are sitting there blocking potential members, and rambling on about
how they can't join because they might be ""agents!""

That's the profound difference! In fact, it would be strange to try to
link the two in any comparison at all.

The valuable participants you've mentioned are very quiet indeed; some seem
even to resent the suggestion that participating involves.... well,
participating. Has this group devolved to mere spectator sport? Or have
they felt silenced by the fear of being stomped on for posting new ideas or
even beginning a discussion of new ideas, or doing things a little
differently even? Should we just thank them for sitting and keeping shut
up? Or encourage them to speak here by creating an atmosphere in which
speech of the kind I've described is welcome and will be defended as such?

Just food for thought.









-----Original Message-----
From: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of MaryK Croft
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:47 AM
To: cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cloudbusters] Re: Crofts and MKids

--- In cloudbusters@yahoogroups.com, "southlodge" <SouthLodge@...>
wrote:

> I'm still wondering -- it's so easy to form opinions based on

incomplete,

> flawed, or otherwise shaky data. Bradley said you were 3 years old

and did

> "something" to Don but then never specified what it was. We can

set aside

> for the moment Bradley's reliability, LOL. If it had been me, I

would have

> been eager to learn what it was.
>

Bradley had said he didn't know what, or why. And he didn't realize
that I was a younger sibling.

That was called the "Gang of Four"-- Don and Carol, Bradley, and
Stuart (or was it Davies?) And Mark was called an Agent, then not,
then an Agent again, then he flew from England to Idaho to meet Don
and Carol. Driving with them to San Francisco, the other two met them
there. Davies was given the all-clear after that long car ride, and
the "Love-Fest" resulted in Dragon and I getting kicked off cloud-
busters. So did some other people.

Erratic behavior? Re-programming? Why didn't Davies simply fly to San
Francisco? It was wierd then, and now... Don continues to start up
new groups, taking only those considered loyal with him, and everyone
left behind are Agents, Provocateurs, and Prevaricators. His closed
group is part of why we don't really want a closed group here. Too
often, newbies arrive by sometimes circuitous routes and often become
valuable participants. Not in Don's inner circle, though! And
several family members asked me how he earns a living. I couldn't
answer truthfully, that people simply give him money. Zappers, I
suppose, I said to my mother and cousins... He's taking flying
lessons, Mom reported (she was there in September) and living in an
old hanger, having to shovel snow off the roof lately. Gee, I'm glad
he's taking lessons, after seeing the YouTube video about crashing
his ultralight!


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