Re: [classicrv] Digest Number 573
> Message: 4::
> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:04:12 -0000
> From: bobalou1@...
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 569
> > b.d.:: e.g.: how do you drive safely [as to tires]
> >to operate> large mtorhomes ... when > most of them
>b.a.:Not trying to offend
> anyone but it > has amazed me why people are allowed
never drove a vehicle over 16 feet in> length. All
should > go get the CDL booklet and study it.
>b.d.: yes. i have noticed many drivers
of r.v.'s seem to me to be driving dangerously,
that is why i posed one aspect [tires] as
i thought my question was directed at driving
rather than quality of tires.
you know quality, seems my rig has a two ton
drive train, and does have michilins all around,,,
my question is are these the best or do you
prefer another brand as to being safer??? i do not
care how many miles before changing to new tires,
merely that i have the safest;;;
my michilins are rated at max 70p, which is okay,
but given that a r.v. is always overloaded i wonder
if i can [should????] get a safer tire that can also
handle higher psi;;;;;
and, what is you view on the fact
that i keep my rears  at 75p even tho max
rate is 70? [fronts i keep at max rated 70p];;
i do not have a problem with this [75, 70]
but since max is 70, can i go higher on
either-both front or rear ; [my only concern
is blowing the tire....];;;
came with the rig when i bought it used last
year, and show nil wear as of today, so i would
rather keep them until show some wear ;; they
might even last the 5 or so years i got left
to drive [am 72y and do not know when i will
have to quit, so these ought last that long,
but i would buy new sooner if safer, as above]
bobalou1 - many thanks for sharing your years
of experience with us..... one last question::
since your busses drive city, do you have a
different view as to r.v., etc, that drive
speed is not my problem
because where there is traffic i drive 45-50,
and when no traffic i hype it up to 50-55;;;;;
given the age of my vehicle, and knowing it
is overweight [two ton chassis with more than
two ton rig], i believe this is most prudent,
and if traffic gets even heavier and or if
all the nearby vehicles seem to be driven by
nuts then i slow down accordingly. my view
is safe is best, regardless of how long it takes
bob1, again, many thanks
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- While most of our buses are on city streets only there are many
that ride the highways daily. The buses run the highways from the
downtown area to the out skirts of the city in the morning and from
the out skirts of the city back to the downtown area in the
afternoon. This is required due to more people needing to get
downtown in the morning and get out of downtown in the afternoon. On
the morning of September 11 we were able to evacuate more than
1,000,000 people from the downtown area in a very short time. It was
so quiet at noon it was scary. Our buses are limited to 55mph by the
engine computer and when one passes me on the highway doing 65 or 70
mph a phone call is made to the respective garage to have that bus
looked at, the operator is also in trouble for speeding.
The tires tread as per the CDL booklet on all comercial
vehicles is to be not less than 4/32 for front tires and 2/32 for
rear tires. While putting more rubber on the ground works well at
Indy or Daytona (slicks) the lack of some kind of tire tread won't
hold you on the road on wet pavement. Think about a water ski, it is
flat. The treads are there to channel the water. It has recently been
suggested that Firestone has been putting defective tires on the
road, only time and a jury wiil determine if this is true. As far as
tire brands like everything else you get what you pay for. While
there are good qualiy bargain brands it must be remembered that one
of the major brands has most likely designed the tire and is
marketing it under a different name.
Most motorhomes that I have seen are only over weight in the
rear. This is due to the most chassis being a truck chassis, when the
motorhome is built the area behind the rear wheels is almost always
the only area with room to install the holding tanks. A 100 gallon
holding tank will weigh 700 lbs when full, if this tank is 4 feet
behind the rear wheels the rear is weighed down and the front is
lightened. I don't really know by how much but I would guess at least
a conciderable ammount. A friend of mine has a 1984 Class C Honey
built on a GM chassis. The way his tanks are set up he has a hard
time keeping the vehicle on the road when fully loaded. The steering
wheel feels like the front tires are not even touching the ground.
When he goes anywhere he drains the holding tanks and fills with
fresh water when he gets where he is going. He is really thinking
about installing air bags in the rear to help raise the back end up
to get more weight back onto the front wheels. This is why I say you
can run your front tires slightly less than the pressure stamped on
the tire for a better ride, I would not go less than 10% of what is
stamped on the tire. A tire that states 70 psi max is just that the
MAX. This is fine for the rear where the weight is but in front will
give better feel and a smoother ride running at 63 psi.
As far as other people on this site, lets keep it on the site.
I don't need a special e-mail just from you! Sorry but your 30 year
old charts are fine for 30 year old tires. My tires are 1997 models
and have been improved from the 1970's. More than once I have heard
someone say how there old 1970 whatever would of been "even faster"
with todays tires. Check a new manual and I think you will be
suprised. But once the Firestone issue is settled the manfactures may
be re-writing the books again.
Keep it rolling, Bob.
> on 10/6/01 3:57 PM, bobalou1@...1@... wrote:Sorry, Bob, I didn't realize a three line message would tax you so.
> As far as other people on this site, lets keep it on the site.
> I don't need a special e-mail just from you!
As to form, I can't imagine why the whole list would have been interested in
my noting -- as politely as I could manage -- that your snide comments are
uncalled for nor my asking specifically what it is that you disagree with.
Rest assured I have nothing further to impart, privately or on-list, that
you'd listen to. That's the way of pomposity.
Bill Combs <ttursine@...>
Talk is cheap because
supply exceeds demand
- Bill et al;
I am not a english major but I "think" you spelled "pompissity"
Pompissity is my favorite and most accurate description of the
Mayor and City Council of *Porkland, Oregon.
By the way Bill are you having trouble with Earthlink?
*Porkland is where the Mayor wants to build shopping mall's,
office spaces and high end apartments over the freeways, where the
Mayor commits millions of dollars to failing sports stadiums for
the benefit of the rich owners of the teams. It is where the
Mayor and city council annex portions outside of the city limits
with out a vote of the people. The list is huge. The Mayor of
Porkland is now in New York City to show support by spending money
with about 700 plus other wealthy Oregonian's because our
business's in Porkland apparently don't need it. Oregon is only
50th of the 50 states in job opportunity outside of the high tech
industry........... Right on Mayor spend the money in New
Bill Combs wrote:
> > on 10/6/01 3:57 PM, bobalou1@...1@... wrote:
> > As far as other people on this site, lets keep it on the site.
> > I don't need a special e-mail just from you!
> Sorry, Bob, I didn't realize a three line message would tax you so.
> As to form, I can't imagine why the whole list would have been interested in
> my noting -- as politely as I could manage -- that your snide comments are
> uncalled for nor my asking specifically what it is that you disagree with.
> Rest assured I have nothing further to impart, privately or on-list, that
> you'd listen to. That's the way of pomposity.
> Bill Combs <ttursine@...>
> Talk is cheap because
> supply exceeds demand
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Oregon is 50th out of 50 states in job opportunities out side of
agriculture. Had a senior moment, time for my pills......
Tars Campbell wrote:
> Oregon is only 50th of the 50 states in job opportunity outside of the high tech industry(((((((((Wrong! Should have said agriculture)))))
- Message: 4
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:04:12 -0000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 569
many thanks for your explanation and facts below::
i got 8r17.5, all, and wondered if
i can and or ought go to a wider
footprint while keeping the same outside diameter?
if so, if you got a book, would that
be up to a 9r17.5?????? mostly i would
like your opinion if should bother
to go to bigger footprint....
again, many thanks
> e.g.: how do you drive safely [as to tires] ::Bob,
>  on a freeway?
>  on country roads?
>  around curves on a freeway?
> bob di.
I do work for the 2nd largest transit company in
the nation, 23
years and counting for the Chicago Transit Authority.
I have been in
maintenance all of this time and if you need to know
we have over
2000 buses. This means there are 12,000 tires that hit
every day. I an a Quality Control Inspector and have
been to many
safety and tire classes and I think I know a little
heavy duty tires. I don't quote facts from a 1970
(see post from 10-5-01 10 am.)
What I was tryimg to say is that the weight of
your vehicle is
constantly changing and there will never be an exact
that is correct. Gas, water reserve, how much desert
you had after
dinner all changes the weight of your vehicle.
Temperature is always
changing thus changing the pressure in you tires. If
you worry soooo
much about the pressure you will be spending so much
your vehicle and adjusting the pressure accordingly
that you won't
get much further than your own driveway. FACT: FILL
YOUR TIRES TO THE
MAX WILL CREATE A BUMPY RIDE! FACT: UNDERINFLATE YOUR
TIRES AND YOU
WILL BE ALL OVER THE ROAD WHILE OVERHEATING THEM! I
think that most
of the problem with this discussion is the fact that
most of us are
not the original owners of these vehicles and we don't
have a clue as
to what size and rating our tires should have. How do
we know if a
previous owner got cheap and put a less than equal
on the rig to only dump it off at a later date?
Anyone that wants to drive their motorhome
safely should go to
their local drivers bureau and get a copy of the
License (CDL) rules of the road booklet for
information. It's Free.
This is the booklet that all proffessional drivers
must know and pass
a test on before being able to drive a large truck or
bus. There is
information about the handling of trucks and buses in
this book for
safe driving in all conditions. Not trying to offend
anyone but it
has amazed me why people are allowed to operate large
including a 40 foot diesel pusher with air brakes with
out a CDL when
most of them never drove a vehicle over 16 feet in
length. All should
go get the CDL booklet and study it.
For all our safety, Bob.
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