FW: LP gas to Electric Stove
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From: "robertasrv" <robertasrv@...>
Subject: LP gas to Electric Stove
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:10:37 -0000
Can anyone tell me if it is possible to remove the LP gas stove and
convection oven from my motorhome and replace it with an electric
stove and oven? Is there such a thing as an electric stove and oven
for motorhomes? I own an '84 Winnebago Elandan, 31 feet with a large
galley and I would like to get away from the risky LP gas range.
1984 Winnebago Elandan
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- Roberta, You can probably replace the stove burners with a standard domestic hot plate, if you find the right size. Either use an existing plug-in, or hard-wire it to the fuse / breaker panel. Check the condition of your wiring first, tho'.
The oven is harder; if you can find the right size (probably something "apartment-sized" or maybe "dorm-room-sized"), you'll still have to face wiring issues. Depending on what you're starting with, you might only need to go to the breaker panel; very possbly you'd need to upgrade your whole service system, from the shore power plug to the oven. And you might lose the ability to run the oven and A/C at the same time on the generator. Of course, there's the toaster oven route, but they're limited.
I looked in the one really comprehensive RV parts catalog I've got and all they list is gas burners and ovens. I know modern Class A's have combination convection / microwave ovens, but assume that they're house units.
Keep in mind that electicity is only marginally safer than propane; leaving it on accidentally or faulty wiring can still start a fire. Money spent on changing out the appliances might be as well spent on upgrading or servicng your present system & detectors.
Jm, "Where are we going, and why am I in this handbasket?"
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> From: "robertasrv" <robertasrv@y...>
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: LP gas to Electric Stove
> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:10:37 -0000
> Can anyone tell me if it is possible to remove the LP gas stove and
> convection oven from my motorhome and replace it with an electric
> stove and oven? Is there such a thing as an electric stove and oven
> for motorhomes? I own an '84 Winnebago Elandan, 31 feet with a large
> galley and I would like to get away from the risky LP gas range.
> Thanks everyone.
> 1984 Winnebago Elandan
> Jacksonville, Arkansas
- Any rangetop/oven you may find will, almost certainly, be 220V.
You won't be able to use it unless you have 220V at the pedestal
and never on the genset. I doubt if your Winnie Elandan has any
provision for 220V appliances.
Kathy, I doubt if there is any unmanageable level of risk to continuing
to use your gas appliances. Besides, In my not so humble opinion,
the gas does a better job. It only has the advantage of being a little
cleaner but loses out in the adjustability comparison.
Probably better to stay with your gas range. Thousands (millions?)
of RVs use it every day without risk. If there was a risk, the manufacturers
would have long since made 110V ranges available.
One Thanksgiving, when I was a newly-wed, we had our first family dinner
at our house. I had just bought a brand new range/oven and it was installed
the day before the holiday. We dutifully followed instructions and put the
big bird in the oven the night before. At dinner time, the next day, it was
not even starting to brown. Dumb kids didn't know that things were not going
well. What had happened was that the delivery guy had connected the
pigtail wrong and we only had 110V to the oven.We had to run to town and try
to find a store open and finally bought a ham. I still get kidded about
Thanksgiving. The point is, that a 110V doesn't do very well, even if you
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>From: "robertasrv" <robertasrv@...>
>Subject: LP gas to Electric Stove
>Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 05:10:37 -0000
>Can anyone tell me if it is possible to remove the LP gas stove and
>convection oven from my motorhome and replace it with an electric
>stove and oven? Is there such a thing as an electric stove and oven
>for motorhomes? I own an '84 Winnebago Elandan, 31 feet with a large
>galley and I would like to get away from the risky LP gas range.
>1984 Winnebago Elandan
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- My household range and water heater on LP. I hate electric with a passion. The only problem I have
ever had with a range was electric. When I worked at a local Golf Club the electric range oven for
some reason refused to shut off when we were done with it. Again a holiday situation, and it
eventually ignited and nearly burned the log club house down. The insurance people said there are
more fires/accidents with electric than gas because of the fact that electric is non visible.
Apparently the switch that controlled the oven malfunctioned and we did not notice the heat until it
was almost too late. Those restaurant ovens are well insulated. What caught fire was the wall
behind the oven. As it was there was about 12,000$ damage to the kitchen and the township that
owned the club had LP installed with the replacement stove on the recommendation of the insurance
company. Worked like a charm for the past 17 years.
During the last black out I was able to cook almost like normal except for the tonnes of
- to remove the LP gas stove and
> convection oven from my motorhome and replace it with an electriclarge
> stove and oven? Is there such a thing as an electric stove and oven
> for motorhomes? I own an '84 Winnebago Elandan, 31 feet with a
> galley and I would like to get away from the risky LP gas range.I'm sure it will not be possible w/o always having split-phase 50A RV
> Thanks everyone.
service available, assuming your m'home is so wired. The 30A single-
phase service would probably not cut it, neither will your generator,
and I know you won't find any suitable fits that include an oven -
Check with a high-end bus manufacturer ($750k+) for their source.
These models almost always have all-electric, anymore. Who has
frightened you about gas? What is your plan to deal with cold-weather
camping, if you need heat? The gas furnace will outperform any
electric heater. Water heaters are easy to add electric, though.
- Hey no lie! My full-time park-living electric bill was nearly $100/mo when
heating with electric heat, dropped to $20/month, and LP was $13/mo after
pressure testing, repairing, and ultimately bringing the 1984 Winnebago LP
system into service.
The PO had young children and worried about the LP, so never used it because
he thought it behaved funny (had a working LP detector but sometimes thought
he smelled gas, sometimes the gage said he had LP pressure at the tank but
LP appliances wouldn't light). I tried using electric heaters while
full-timing in the windy cold high desert of eastern WA in winter. After
getting my first electric bill, I finally took the motorhome to a service
center and had the LP system pressure tested. It ended up costing me $250,
but they identified and repaired a rubber o-ring in the refrigerator's
shut-off valve that apparently let the valve leak even when shut off--this
is a small spring-loaded, manually-operated ON/OFF valve in the gas line to
the refrigerator, accessible from the refrigerator's access hatch on the
outside of the motorhome. The tech who worked on it hemmed and hawed and
didn't think he had one in stock and it would be next week before he could
get one. I had him show it to me, and I asked asked a lot of questions
about it, and he eventually decided he could fix it there and then.
With no other leaks found, I fill the LP tank and switched on my LP
appliances (especially the original 34000 BTU Suburban furnace) and within
minutes I was for the first time, friends, suffused with the inner glow of
happiness. I had discovered the quality of motorhome living as it had been
designed by the creators 20 years ago . Watching the tube or cruising the
web bundled in layers of polypropylene socks and winter coats sucks! With LP
heat and appliances, living aboard is real comfortable, with plenty of hot
water, oven-baked pizza, and especially the comfortable 70F+ throughout the
coach. And all this was cheap to do with LP!
Of course, the energy prices are on the move now--lots of real-estate owning
people have installed LP in recent years because LP has been cheaper than
utility-provided electricity per BTU. Predictably (ya don't gotta be Enron
to know that price increases with demand), LP prices have been rising, but
LP is still the best solutuion for motorhome if you ask me.
Regarding ovens gas or electric, it sounds like the wiring is limiting
factor, in Roberta's Elanden and everywhere in the classic rv world. Oh
well, that isn't a show stopper if you really want 50amp service and 220v
appliances. But what really stands out in my mind, Roberta, is that you
have a gas convection oven. Wow! My gas stove is pretty limited (not
convection, and no broiler, sheesh). It is hard to cook with because the
oven heat is uneven. This must be due mostly to the oven temperature
control (seems wildly inaccurate), but as you know, a convection oven blows
the air around inside the oven so that the temperature at the oven
thermostat's sensor is the same as the temperature everywhere in the oven.
That's a big step up from the run-o-the-mill Magic Chef motorhome oven in my
Chieftain. Your convestion oven is a highliner's appliance, capable of doing
serious baking, which is what you'd expect considering the Elanden's place
at the top of Winnebago's lineup (then). Why do you want to get it gone?
1984 Winnebago Chieftain 30'
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Subject: [classicrv] Re: FW: LP gas to Electric Stove
The gas furnace will outperform any
> electric heater.