Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Just how big a threat was French or British intervention a...
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From: "carlw4514" <carlw4514@...>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:33 AM
Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Just how big a threat was French or British
| Since we are a bit OT, I'll let you have the last word. Duality it is.
| Thanks for the various URLs.
| --- In civilwarwest@y..., "Robert Taubman" <rtaubman@h...> wrote:
| > "This bilingual country" happens to be my country, Canada. When you
| refer to
| > divisions within Canada, what are you referring to? That people
| > differences of opinion? You use the term schizophrenic, a term that
| I suppose
| > you wish to mean something other than Canada's duality, a term that
| I believe is
| > more appropriate. The correct description would be that Canada
| recognizes its
| > two founding nations, England and France.
| > "Split loyalties"; loyalty to whom? The North or the South? Which
| side were we
| > supposed to support? Why were we to be "loyal" to any part of the
| > States? Throughout the Civil War, there was always a perceived
| threat of
| > invasion by the U.S., and after the Civil War the Fenian Raids,
| based in the
| > United States and thought to be supported by the U.S. government,
| were an
| > attempt by Irish insurgents to overthrow the Canadian Government.
| > How did the Canadian Government "provide cover" for CSA operatives?
| Was there
| > open support of these actions by the Canadian Government? The fact
| that they
| > were able to operate in the City of New York without detection must
| > using your logic, that New York was complicit in this affair.
| Fortunately, the
| > methods used by the CSA operatives didn't produce the desired
| > My memory of the St. Albans Raid is not as good as it once was,
| however, you are
| > right that the CSA raiders were not held in jail in Canada. I
| believe the
| > magistrate ruled he had no jurisdiction because of a problem with
| > extradition treaties between Canada and the U.S. at that time.
| > As for the prisoner of war camp, the following may be of some
| assistance to you;
| > http://www.rbhayes.org/mssfind/lh_coll/johnsonsis.htm
| > And there are other incidents. The Chesapeake affair where the
| captured ship
| > was taken to Halifax by CSA operatives.
| > Relations between Canada and the United States and the CSA is a very
| > part of the American Civil War that I'm afraid not too many
| Canadians are even
| > aware of.
| > I hope everyone posting/lurking on Civil War in the West has a very
| safe and
| > Happy New Year.
| > Bob Taubman
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "carlw4514" <carlw4514@y...>
| > To: <civilwarwest@y...>
| > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:54 PM
| > Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Just how big a threat was French or
| > intervention a...
| > | Well, it's all very interesting. I am given to understand that
| > | use of " Schizophrenic " is not clinically accurate, but it is
| > | to use it with the meaning I intended here - surely you agree that
| > | this bilingual country has its divisions? At the time of the ACW,
| > | seems that the British portion had split loyalties, something you
| > | kindly informing us on and about which I was unaware.
| > | I believe there were three significant actions / raids originating
| > | Canada. The October St. Albans raid you mention was preceded by
| > | plan to firebomb 24 hotels in New York City in the previous month,
| > | September 1864. (At least 14 hotels in fact were hit, a shocking
| > | in view of modern times- fortunately, the Rebel saboteurs were
| > | Both events were notable in the way in which Canada provided cover
| > | the raiders; in both cases not only were the actions allowed to
| > | originate there, but the perpetrators returned to Canada both
| > | and were protected. By the time of the St. Albans raid, the
| > | Southerners were arrested in Canada, but a British judge
| > | that their bank-robbing spree was a legitimate action of a
| > | and they were set free. Certainly no Rebs were turned over to U.S.
| > | officials in either case.
| > | I *think* a third event originated somewhere in Canada and took
| > | on one of the Great Lakes, a boat was (?) commandeered and the
| > | was to use it to free POWs from a prison camp and get them to
| > | Somewhere along the way this plan was aborted. Unfortunately, I
| > | find a freaking thing on this - so I could be wrong; perhaps the
| > | was aborted before the boat was commandeered.
| > | Carl
| > |
| > | --- In civilwarwest@y..., "Robert Taubman" <rtaubman@h...> wrote:
| > | [...]
| > | > Schizophrenic? More than you thought? Why did you think they
| > | > schizophrenic in the first place, or is this just another
| > | meaningless comment?
| > | > What two raids? I will give you St. Albans, but the second is?
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
| > |
| > |
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- Never mind it, Carl! Thanks for the heads-up, I'll pick up a copy.
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> oh me of little faith!<BR>
> Addison, I was privately wondering if you were buying into some <BR>
> baloney when you posted this, but apology tendered: there is a picture <BR>
> in today's WASHINGTON TIMES showing a picture of the frigate Osliaba <BR>
> "... visit[ing] Alexandria in 1863 in a symbolic show of support for <BR>
> the U.S. Government." Havent read the article yet but looks pretty <BR>
> --- In civilwarwest@y..., jaaah@t... wrote:<BR>
> > Tsar Alexandre II had his entire Imperial Navy docked at Alexandria <BR>
> Harbor from late 1863 to October 1864. Alex was preparing for war <BR>
> against England or France if 1) either of those two nations went to <BR>
> help the Confederates against the Yanks, the Russian's allies, or 2) <BR>
> if Poland rebelled and attempted to overthrow the Russian overlords. <BR>
> Both England and France would have supported Poland in such an affair, <BR>
> and Russia wanted it's navy to be in a safe, and secret place just in <BR>
> case that ever happened. Of course, none of it ever did come to pass.<BR>
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