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  • L.A. Chambliss
    Dear Holtin and group, Very interesting story you have there! I have read a little about medical practices in the CW; most of my Western Theater knowledge is
    Message 1 of 10 , May 29, 2000
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      Dear Holtin and group,

      Very interesting story you have there!

      I have read a little about medical practices in the CW; most of my Western
      Theater knowledge is from the Union side though from an article I did about
      Mary Ann ("Mother") Bickerdyke. In other words I am no kind of an expert so
      will just ramble about some of the points you raise.

      First question, do the military records that show him on duty as a Nurse
      have a particular date or dates attached to it? I ask because men assigned
      to nursing duty were usually soldiers who were sick or injured themselves,
      but in the process of recovery. It was not at all unusual for men to fall
      to disease almost as soon as they were mustered in, simply from being
      around people from more distant areas and exposed to germs they might not
      have had. For example if measles hadn't gone around a person's neighborhood
      in a few years they might not have immunity to it. This could happen even
      to somebody who had traveled....Abraham Lincoln came down with varicella, a
      mild version of smallpox, while in the White House.

      If he enlisted in March of '61 I see almost zero possibility he could have
      been involved at Shiloh. Chances are he would have been sent to some sort
      of training facility or Camp of Instruction first, then would have to find
      transportation to whatever army the regiment was assigned to serve with.
      Additionally, there were no Confederates at Shiloh (Pittsburg Landing)
      after the battle; they withdrew to Corinth and left most of the dead and
      wounded behind for Yankee nurses (including Mother Bickerdyke! Had to throw
      that in.....) to take care of.

      My guess would be that the regiment joined the army soon enough after
      Shiloh that those who had been there were still talking of nothing else,
      and that was his first impression of Army life. Not wanting to accuse him
      of being a liar or claiming credit for events that happened to other
      people, but as you point out the stories have been working for four
      generations. A story he told as "This guy said to me that the fire at the
      Hornet's Nest was so fierce that......" might after a few years turn into
      "Daddy said that the fire at the Hornet's Nest was so fierce that..." and
      then later "When Grandpa Francis was at the Hornet's Nest at Shiloh
      he......"

      I think the dates indicate pretty clearly though that he was one of those
      who took the parole at Vicksburg as a "get out of jail free" card and went
      home instead of reporting back for duty. Something like half of Pemberton's
      forces who surrendered did this so he was certainly not unique. Confederate
      provosts and recruiters conducted numerous campaigns to try to round them
      up and send them back to the army but tended to be ignored, lied to, or
      politely asked to get the h*ll out of town, preferably before sunset, lest
      harm befall them. A certain amount of cynicism and disillusionment
      prevailed in the veterans of Vicksburg.

      You might try dropping by the Civil War chat board at www.us-civilwar.com
      and looking for times when "3rdLa", "Dameron", or "AoT" are on. These guys
      know far more about the specifics of regimental actions and movements than
      I do and might be able to give you more details.

      Welcome aboard and thanks for the question. The group has been a little
      dead lately and could use some perking up. :-)

      Laurie Chambliss (known as "Xan" on the said chat board)

      Holtin wrote:

      > Hi, Y'all!
      >
      > I am new to the Group, and look forward to meeting all of you.
      >
      > I have had the good fortune to become close friends with an Australian
      > whose great-grandfather emigrated to America about 1855. In March,
      > 1861, John Fearn Francis enlisted in New Orleans as a private with the
      > 28th Thomas' Louisiana Infantry Regiment (Volunteers). He was present
      > at Chickasaw Bluffs/Bayou and was paroled at Vicksburg as a 2nd
      > Lieutenant. He lived in Mansfield, Louisiana, and was there on 8 April
      > 1864. After his death at Mansfield, his widow and children returned home
      > to Australia. The events at Mansfield are another interesting story
      > altogether!
      >
      > A question: John Francis' military records show him to be a "Nurse in
      > Camp Hospital on Daily Duty", or "Nurse R.H." ("R.H"??? Regimental
      > Headquarters, maybe?). My friend remembers family stories about this
      > ancestor, including talk of Shiloh, but he can't remember the Shiloh
      > connection. Is there any record of medical personnel from other units,
      > especially a NEW unit, being sent in to Shiloh AFTER the battle?
      > Francis enlisted 29 March 1862; Shiloh was less than ten days later. Is
      > that even a possibility? The earliest date shown on the Company Muster
      > Rolls and Regimental Returns is 30 April 1862.
      >
      > Or maybe it was that the story of Shiloh made such an impression on
      > Ellen Francis (his widow) that the story has been passed on down to the
      > fourth generation.
      >
      > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
      > Thanks!
      >
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    • Alice Holtin
      Hi, Laurie, Thanks for your comments! You asked: First question, do the military records that show him on duty as a Nurse have a particular date or dates
      Message 2 of 10 , May 29, 2000
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        Hi, Laurie,

        Thanks for your comments!

        You asked:
        "First question, do the military records that show him on duty as a
        Nurse have a particular date or dates attached to it? I ask because
        men assigned to nursing duty were usually soldiers who were sick or
        injured themselves, but in the process of recovery."

        This is what we know from the records of John Francis....
        --Enlisted 29 March 1862, New Orleans
        --Company Muster Roll, April 30-Aug. 31, 1862 - Nurse in Camp
        Hospital
        on Daily Duty.
        --Company Muster Roll, Sept. & Oct., 1862 - Absent since Oct. 10,
        with
        leave. Sent home for clothing for Company.
        --Company Muster Roll, Oct. 31, 1862-Feb. 28, 1863 - Sick in camp.
        --Regimental Return, Aug. 1862 -- Nurse R.H.
        --Regimental Return, Sept, 1862 -- On daily duty with the "A.C.S." ??
        (unsure of first letter)
        --Roll of Prisoners of War, 2Lt. Co. B, Vicksburg, July 4, 1863.
        --Copy of Vicksburg Parole document, dated July 7, 1863, signed "2
        Lieut. Command"

        Does this help any??

        Thanks!
        Alice


        --- In civilwarwest@egroups.com, "L.A. Chambliss" <xanthipp@u...>
        wrote:
        > Dear Holtin and group,
        >
        > Very interesting story you have there!
        >
        > I have read a little about medical practices in the CW; most of my
        Western
        > Theater knowledge is from the Union side though from an article I
        did about
        > Mary Ann ("Mother") Bickerdyke. In other words I am no kind of an
        expert so
        > will just ramble about some of the points you raise.
        >
        > First question, do the military records that show him on duty as a
        Nurse
        > have a particular date or dates attached to it? I ask because men
        assigned
        > to nursing duty were usually soldiers who were sick or injured
        themselves,
        > but in the process of recovery. It was not at all unusual for men
        to
        fall
        > to disease almost as soon as they were mustered in, simply from
        being
        > around people from more distant areas and exposed to germs they
        might not
        > have had. For example if measles hadn't gone around a person's
        neighborhood
        > in a few years they might not have immunity to it. This could
        happen
        even
        > to somebody who had traveled....Abraham Lincoln came down with
        varicella, a
        > mild version of smallpox, while in the White House.
        >
        > If he enlisted in March of '61 I see almost zero possibility he
        could have
        > been involved at Shiloh. Chances are he would have been sent to
        some
        sort
        > of training facility or Camp of Instruction first, then would have
        to find
        > transportation to whatever army the regiment was assigned to serve
        with.
        > Additionally, there were no Confederates at Shiloh (Pittsburg
        Landing)
        > after the battle; they withdrew to Corinth and left most of the
        dead
        and
        > wounded behind for Yankee nurses (including Mother Bickerdyke! Had
        to throw
        > that in.....) to take care of.
        >
        > My guess would be that the regiment joined the army soon enough
        after
        > Shiloh that those who had been there were still talking of nothing
        else,
        > and that was his first impression of Army life. Not wanting to
        accuse him
        > of being a liar or claiming credit for events that happened to other
        > people, but as you point out the stories have been working for four
        > generations. A story he told as "This guy said to me that the fire
        at the
        > Hornet's Nest was so fierce that......" might after a few years
        turn
        into
        > "Daddy said that the fire at the Hornet's Nest was so fierce
        that..." and
        > then later "When Grandpa Francis was at the Hornet's Nest at Shiloh
        > he......"
        >
        > I think the dates indicate pretty clearly though that he was one of
        those
        > who took the parole at Vicksburg as a "get out of jail free" card
        and went
        > home instead of reporting back for duty. Something like half of
        Pemberton's
        > forces who surrendered did this so he was certainly not unique.
        Confederate
        > provosts and recruiters conducted numerous campaigns to try to
        round
        them
        > up and send them back to the army but tended to be ignored, lied
        to,
        or
        > politely asked to get the h*ll out of town, preferably before
        sunset, lest
        > harm befall them. A certain amount of cynicism and disillusionment
        > prevailed in the veterans of Vicksburg.
        >
        > You might try dropping by the Civil War chat board at
        www.us-civilwar.com
        > and looking for times when "3rdLa", "Dameron", or "AoT" are on.
        These guys
        > know far more about the specifics of regimental actions and
        movements than
        > I do and might be able to give you more details.
        >
        > Welcome aboard and thanks for the question. The group has been a
        little
        > dead lately and could use some perking up. :-)
        >
        > Laurie Chambliss (known as "Xan" on the said chat board)
        >
      • Stephen D Wakefield
        Actually your family story regarding the Battle of Shiloh rings very possibly true.In response to General Beauregard s call for troops to help reverse the tide
        Message 3 of 10 , May 29, 2000
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          Actually your family story regarding the Battle of Shiloh rings very
          possibly true.In response to General Beauregard's call for troops to help
          reverse the tide following Ft. Donelson, New Orleans commander General
          Lovell promised significant reinforcements from the New Orleans front. ( in
          fact this stripping of the defenses of New Orleans is an often over looked
          consequence of the Confederate concentration to meet the Union threat in So.
          West Tennessee.
          However part of the New Orleans forces sent to North Mississippi were about
          1500 state militia troops who had volunteered for 90 days of service.These
          troops made up three very interesting units that would ultimately fight at
          Shiloh. Because they were state militia the units were not given the
          customary number and state designations assigned to the normal Confederate
          infantry regiments.(e.g.. the 12th Tenn. Volunteer Infantry) Rather these
          three units were called The Orleans Guard Battalion,Crescent Regiment and
          the Confederate Guard Response Battalion. The Crescent Regiment was also
          known as the "Kid Glove Regiment because it was made up in very large part
          by the sons of the upper economic class of New Orleans.These militia units
          were packed unto rail cars and reportedly left New Orleans beginning on
          March 18th. It certainly is fair to assume that many of these militia
          volunteers were not transported to Corinth Ms until several days later.
          Now the muster papers indicating a enlistment on March 29th are very easy to
          understand as can be imagined once these state militia arrived in Corinth
          the pressure to volunteer into a "regular " non-state militia unit had to
          be great.There were numerous regular Louisiana units at Corinth and it only
          makes sense to me that representatives from those units would have recruited
          these state militia types to join up with a "real" fighting unit.Also
          another very easy explanation for the March 29 enlistment is an attempt to
          get these state militia boys on the Confederate government muster role for
          pay roll purposes. The confederate government were responsible for paying
          troops that had joined the confederate army and the state governments were
          liable for the pay of state militia units. Since they had left the state of
          La. I would assume that the Confederate government had agreed to pay them
          for the troops time while serving with the Confederate Army of the
          Mississippi ( what Johnston's concentration came to be called.).
          As far a separate medical unit- no such animal generally existed during the
          war. Each individual Regiment or Battalion was in theory to have their own
          medical and support functions within its own organization. So it would make
          great sense that a hospital steward would be assirgned to Regt. HQ as
          opposed to a specific company. Just my immediate thoughts hope this is of
          some help.
          Regards
          Wakefield
        • Stephen D Wakefield
          One thing I neglected to mention ...I am assuming that the records we have are from the 28th La, Volunteer Infantry. the 28th La. was not in existence at the
          Message 4 of 10 , May 29, 2000
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            One thing I neglected to mention ...I am assuming that the records we have
            are from the 28th La, Volunteer Infantry. the 28th La. was not in existence
            at the time of Shiloh April6-7, 1862, BUT if in fact he had state militia
            service ( with one of the three militia units I identified in the earlier
            post) when he signed up with the 28 La. he would have been given credit for
            time served from his prior service, He was signing up for 3 years or the war
            whichever came first. It was common for officers as an inducement to sign up
            to allow enlistees to "back-date" initial enlistment to time he had joined
            prior units.
            When the three militia units I mentioned had their 90 enlistment's expire,
            it would have been during the Siege of Cornith and many joined new or
            existing regular volunteer units. For example I think the Crescent Reg..
            which was in fact 11 companies instead of the regulation called for 10
            companies ... pretty much joined up enmass to form t___ I think and this is
            from memory the 20th or 23 th La... Could be wrong on that.
            Now unfortunately I just do not know exactly when the 28th La. came into
            being.
            Now that brings us to the BIG problem with your information. To the best of
            my memory there was no 28th La. at Chickasaw Bluffs or that surrendered with
            the Vicksburg garrison. Now I will defer to " Dameron" who is really our
            resident expert on Vicksburg. But the provisional division under Lee was the
            only division with La. infantry units in it at Chickasaw Bluffs and I am
            pretty sure ( not certain ) that the La infantry regiments where
            17th,22nd,26th, 29th and 31st. I think the 3rd La. arrived after most of
            fighting completed... the 28th though I just do not remember. Also no 28th
            La. at Shiloh. At the surrender in July 63 there was no 28th La. that
            surrendered --now on this one I am about 90% sure.
            Regards-
            Wakefield
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Holtin <holtin@...>
            To: <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
            Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:05 PM
            Subject: [civilwarwest] Medical Personnel


            > Hi, Y'all!
            >
            > I am new to the Group, and look forward to meeting all of you.
            >
            > I have had the good fortune to become close friends with an Australian
            > whose great-grandfather emigrated to America about 1855. In March,
            > 1861, John Fearn Francis enlisted in New Orleans as a private with the
            > 28th Thomas' Louisiana Infantry Regiment (Volunteers). He was present
            > at Chickasaw Bluffs/Bayou and was paroled at Vicksburg as a 2nd
            > Lieutenant. He lived in Mansfield, Louisiana, and was there on 8 April
            > 1864. After his death at Mansfield, his widow and children returned home
            > to Australia. The events at Mansfield are another interesting story
            > altogether!
            >
            > A question: John Francis' military records show him to be a "Nurse in
            > Camp Hospital on Daily Duty", or "Nurse R.H." ("R.H"??? Regimental
            > Headquarters, maybe?). My friend remembers family stories about this
            > ancestor, including talk of Shiloh, but he can't remember the Shiloh
            > connection. Is there any record of medical personnel from other units,
            > especially a NEW unit, being sent in to Shiloh AFTER the battle?
            > Francis enlisted 29 March 1862; Shiloh was less than ten days later. Is
            > that even a possibility? The earliest date shown on the Company Muster
            > Rolls and Regimental Returns is 30 April 1862.
            >
            > Or maybe it was that the story of Shiloh made such an impression on
            > Ellen Francis (his widow) that the story has been passed on down to the
            > fourth generation.
            >
            > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
            > Thanks!
            >
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          • Stephen D Wakefield
            One thing I neglected to mention ...I am assuming that the records we have are from the 28th La, Volunteer Infantry. the 28th La. was not in existence at the
            Message 5 of 10 , May 29, 2000
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              One thing I neglected to mention ...I am assuming that the records we have
              are from the 28th La, Volunteer Infantry. the 28th La. was not in existence
              at the time of Shiloh April6-7, 1862, BUT if in fact he had state militia
              service ( with one of the three militia units I identified in the earlier
              post) when he signed up with the 28 La. he would have been given credit for
              time served from his prior service, He was signing up for 3 years or the war
              whichever came first. It was common for officers as an inducement to sign up
              to allow enlistees to "back-date" initial enlistment to time he had joined
              prior units.
              When the three militia units I mentioned had their 90 enlistment's expire,
              it would have been during the Siege of Cornith and many joined new or
              existing regular volunteer units. For example I think the Crescent Reg..
              which was in fact 11 companies instead of the regulation called for 10
              companies ... pretty much joined up enmass to form t___ I think and this is
              from memory the 20th or 23 th La... Could be wrong on that.
              Now unfortunately I just do not know exactly when the 28th La. came into
              being.
              Now that brings us to the BIG problem with your information. To the best of
              my memory there was no 28th La. at Chickasaw Bluffs or that surrendered with
              the Vicksburg garrison. Now I will defer to " Dameron" who is really our
              resident expert on Vicksburg. But the provisional division under Lee was the
              only division with La. infantry units in it at Chickasaw Bluffs and I am
              pretty sure ( not certain ) that the La infantry regiments where
              17th,22nd,26th, 29th and 31st. I think the 3rd La. arrived after most of
              fighting completed... the 28th though I just do not remember. Also no 28th
              La. at Shiloh. At the surrender in July 63 there was no 28th La. that
              surrendered --now on this one I am about 90% sure.
              Regards-
              Wakefield
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Holtin <holtin@...>
              To: <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:05 PM
              Subject: [civilwarwest] Medical Personnel


              > Hi, Y'all!
              >
              > I am new to the Group, and look forward to meeting all of you.
              >
              > I have had the good fortune to become close friends with an Australian
              > whose great-grandfather emigrated to America about 1855. In March,
              > 1861, John Fearn Francis enlisted in New Orleans as a private with the
              > 28th Thomas' Louisiana Infantry Regiment (Volunteers). He was present
              > at Chickasaw Bluffs/Bayou and was paroled at Vicksburg as a 2nd
              > Lieutenant. He lived in Mansfield, Louisiana, and was there on 8 April
              > 1864. After his death at Mansfield, his widow and children returned home
              > to Australia. The events at Mansfield are another interesting story
              > altogether!
              >
              > A question: John Francis' military records show him to be a "Nurse in
              > Camp Hospital on Daily Duty", or "Nurse R.H." ("R.H"??? Regimental
              > Headquarters, maybe?). My friend remembers family stories about this
              > ancestor, including talk of Shiloh, but he can't remember the Shiloh
              > connection. Is there any record of medical personnel from other units,
              > especially a NEW unit, being sent in to Shiloh AFTER the battle?
              > Francis enlisted 29 March 1862; Shiloh was less than ten days later. Is
              > that even a possibility? The earliest date shown on the Company Muster
              > Rolls and Regimental Returns is 30 April 1862.
              >
              > Or maybe it was that the story of Shiloh made such an impression on
              > Ellen Francis (his widow) that the story has been passed on down to the
              > fourth generation.
              >
              > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
              > Thanks!
              >
              > _____________________________________________
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            • Alice Holtin
              Thanks for the additional information, Steve. Maybe I should be more specific. Francis was with what was commonly known as the 28th Thomas Louisiana , or
              Message 6 of 10 , May 29, 2000
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                Thanks for the additional information, Steve.

                Maybe I should be more specific. Francis was with what was commonly
                known as the "28th Thomas' Louisiana", or more accurately, the 29th
                Louisiana Inf. Reg., Co. B, Elam Guards. At Vicksburg, they were
                with
                Maj.-Gen. Martin L. Smith's Division; Third Brigade, Brig.-Gen.
                Stephen D. Lee, Brig-Gen. F.A. Shoup.

                Sorry for the confusion.
                Alice


                --- In civilwarwest@egroups.com, "Stephen D Wakefield"
                <sdwakefield@p...> wrote:
                > One thing I neglected to mention ...I am assuming that the records
                we have
                > are from the 28th La, Volunteer Infantry. the 28th La. was not in
                existence
                > at the time of Shiloh April6-7, 1862, BUT if in fact he had state
                militia
                > service ( with one of the three militia units I identified in the
                earlier
                > post) when he signed up with the 28 La. he would have been given
                credit for
                > time served from his prior service, He was signing up for 3 years
                or
                the war
                > whichever came first. It was common for officers as an inducement
                to
                sign up
                > to allow enlistees to "back-date" initial enlistment to time he had
                joined
                > prior units.
                > When the three militia units I mentioned had their 90 enlistment's
                expire,
                > it would have been during the Siege of Cornith and many joined new
                or
                > existing regular volunteer units. For example I think the Crescent
                Reg..
                > which was in fact 11 companies instead of the regulation called for
                10
                > companies ... pretty much joined up enmass to form t___ I think and
                this is
                > from memory the 20th or 23 th La... Could be wrong on that.
                > Now unfortunately I just do not know exactly when the 28th La. came
                into
                > being.
                > Now that brings us to the BIG problem with your information. To the
                best of
                > my memory there was no 28th La. at Chickasaw Bluffs or that
                surrendered with
                > the Vicksburg garrison. Now I will defer to " Dameron" who is
                really
                our
                > resident expert on Vicksburg. But the provisional division under
                Lee
                was the
                > only division with La. infantry units in it at Chickasaw Bluffs and
                I am
                > pretty sure ( not certain ) that the La infantry regiments where
                > 17th,22nd,26th, 29th and 31st. I think the 3rd La. arrived after
                most of
                > fighting completed... the 28th though I just do not remember. Also
                no 28th
                > La. at Shiloh. At the surrender in July 63 there was no 28th La.
                that
                > surrendered --now on this one I am about 90% sure.
                > Regards-
                > Wakefield
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Holtin <holtin@n...>
                > To: <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
                > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:05 PM
                > Subject: [civilwarwest] Medical Personnel
                >
                >
                > > Hi, Y'all!
                > >
                > > I am new to the Group, and look forward to meeting all of you.
                > >
                > > I have had the good fortune to become close friends with an
                Australian
                > > whose great-grandfather emigrated to America about 1855. In
                March,
                > > 1861, John Fearn Francis enlisted in New Orleans as a private
                with
                the
                > > 28th Thomas' Louisiana Infantry Regiment (Volunteers). He was
                present
                > > at Chickasaw Bluffs/Bayou and was paroled at Vicksburg as a 2nd
                > > Lieutenant. He lived in Mansfield, Louisiana, and was there on 8
                April
                > > 1864. After his death at Mansfield, his widow and children
                returned home
                > > to Australia. The events at Mansfield are another interesting
                story
                > > altogether!
                > >
                > > A question: John Francis' military records show him to be a
                "Nurse in
                > > Camp Hospital on Daily Duty", or "Nurse R.H." ("R.H"??? Regimental
                > > Headquarters, maybe?). My friend remembers family stories about
                this
                > > ancestor, including talk of Shiloh, but he can't remember the
                Shiloh
                > > connection. Is there any record of medical personnel from other
                units,
                > > especially a NEW unit, being sent in to Shiloh AFTER the battle?
                > > Francis enlisted 29 March 1862; Shiloh was less than ten days
                later. Is
                > > that even a possibility? The earliest date shown on the Company
                Muster
                > > Rolls and Regimental Returns is 30 April 1862.
                > >
                > > Or maybe it was that the story of Shiloh made such an impression
                on
                > > Ellen Francis (his widow) that the story has been passed on down
                to the
                > > fourth generation.
                > >
                > > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
                > > Thanks!
                > >
                > > _____________________________________________
                > > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World
                > > Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email
                > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
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              • Alice Holtin
                Thanks for the additional information, Steve. Maybe I should be more specific. Francis was with what was commonly known as the 28th Thomas Louisiana , or
                Message 7 of 10 , May 29, 2000
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                  Thanks for the additional information, Steve.

                  Maybe I should be more specific. Francis was with what was commonly
                  known as the "28th Thomas' Louisiana", or more accurately, the 29th
                  Louisiana Inf. Reg., Co. B, Elam Guards. At Vicksburg, they were
                  with
                  Maj.-Gen. Martin L. Smith's Division; Third Brigade, Brig.-Gen.
                  Stephen D. Lee, Brig-Gen. F.A. Shoup.

                  Sorry for the confusion.
                  Alice


                  --- In civilwarwest@egroups.com, "Stephen D Wakefield"
                  <sdwakefield@p...> wrote:
                  > One thing I neglected to mention ...I am assuming that the records
                  we have
                  > are from the 28th La, Volunteer Infantry. the 28th La. was not in
                  existence
                  > at the time of Shiloh April6-7, 1862, BUT if in fact he had state
                  militia
                  > service ( with one of the three militia units I identified in the
                  earlier
                  > post) when he signed up with the 28 La. he would have been given
                  credit for
                  > time served from his prior service, He was signing up for 3 years
                  or
                  the war
                  > whichever came first. It was common for officers as an inducement
                  to
                  sign up
                  > to allow enlistees to "back-date" initial enlistment to time he had
                  joined
                  > prior units.
                  > When the three militia units I mentioned had their 90 enlistment's
                  expire,
                  > it would have been during the Siege of Cornith and many joined new
                  or
                  > existing regular volunteer units. For example I think the Crescent
                  Reg..
                  > which was in fact 11 companies instead of the regulation called for
                  10
                  > companies ... pretty much joined up enmass to form t___ I think and
                  this is
                  > from memory the 20th or 23 th La... Could be wrong on that.
                  > Now unfortunately I just do not know exactly when the 28th La. came
                  into
                  > being.
                  > Now that brings us to the BIG problem with your information. To the
                  best of
                  > my memory there was no 28th La. at Chickasaw Bluffs or that
                  surrendered with
                  > the Vicksburg garrison. Now I will defer to " Dameron" who is
                  really
                  our
                  > resident expert on Vicksburg. But the provisional division under
                  Lee
                  was the
                  > only division with La. infantry units in it at Chickasaw Bluffs and
                  I am
                  > pretty sure ( not certain ) that the La infantry regiments where
                  > 17th,22nd,26th, 29th and 31st. I think the 3rd La. arrived after
                  most of
                  > fighting completed... the 28th though I just do not remember. Also
                  no 28th
                  > La. at Shiloh. At the surrender in July 63 there was no 28th La.
                  that
                  > surrendered --now on this one I am about 90% sure.
                  > Regards-
                  > Wakefield
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Holtin <holtin@n...>
                  > To: <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
                  > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:05 PM
                  > Subject: [civilwarwest] Medical Personnel
                  >
                  >
                  > > Hi, Y'all!
                  > >
                  > > I am new to the Group, and look forward to meeting all of you.
                  > >
                  > > I have had the good fortune to become close friends with an
                  Australian
                  > > whose great-grandfather emigrated to America about 1855. In
                  March,
                  > > 1861, John Fearn Francis enlisted in New Orleans as a private
                  with
                  the
                  > > 28th Thomas' Louisiana Infantry Regiment (Volunteers). He was
                  present
                  > > at Chickasaw Bluffs/Bayou and was paroled at Vicksburg as a 2nd
                  > > Lieutenant. He lived in Mansfield, Louisiana, and was there on 8
                  April
                  > > 1864. After his death at Mansfield, his widow and children
                  returned home
                  > > to Australia. The events at Mansfield are another interesting
                  story
                  > > altogether!
                  > >
                  > > A question: John Francis' military records show him to be a
                  "Nurse in
                  > > Camp Hospital on Daily Duty", or "Nurse R.H." ("R.H"??? Regimental
                  > > Headquarters, maybe?). My friend remembers family stories about
                  this
                  > > ancestor, including talk of Shiloh, but he can't remember the
                  Shiloh
                  > > connection. Is there any record of medical personnel from other
                  units,
                  > > especially a NEW unit, being sent in to Shiloh AFTER the battle?
                  > > Francis enlisted 29 March 1862; Shiloh was less than ten days
                  later. Is
                  > > that even a possibility? The earliest date shown on the Company
                  Muster
                  > > Rolls and Regimental Returns is 30 April 1862.
                  > >
                  > > Or maybe it was that the story of Shiloh made such an impression
                  on
                  > > Ellen Francis (his widow) that the story has been passed on down
                  to the
                  > > fourth generation.
                  > >
                  > > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
                  > > Thanks!
                  > >
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