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  • Lars Gjertveit
    There s one significant point about John Bell Hood that has not been mentioned so far in this debate: He blamed everyone else but himself for his failures as
    Message 1 of 12 , Nov 30, 2001
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      There's one significant point about John Bell Hood that has not been mentioned so far in this debate: He blamed everyone else but himself for his failures as CIC of the Army of Tennessee, down to the very soldiers in the ranks. He continued to do so to his dying day (see his autobiography "Advance and retreat"). Is that a characteristic of a great leader? That the very men whom he ordered to make the assault at Franklin are to be blamed for his haphazard planning and antiquated tactics? I am more inclined to agree with Capt. Sam Foster of the 24th Texas that Franklin "cannot be called anything but cold-blooded murder". John Bell Hood as an army commander was a disaster. For those who don't believe it, read Wiley Sword's "Embrace an Angry Wind". Or visit the Carter House museum at Franklin (where the only portrait of John Bell Hood is displayed in the restroom)...

      Lars Gjertveit

      - "Forward, men, forward! Let it never be said that Texans lag in a fight!"
      Gen. Hiram Bronson Granbury, Franklin, Tn., November 30, 1864.


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      > In a message dated 11/30/01 1:07:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
      > wacogaurds64@... writes:
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      > << Most rate him from Texas ("John Bell Hood of Texas reinged Hell in
      > Tennessee"), but he was not org from there. Just thought I would say
      > thanks!:) >>
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      > He was in command of "Hood's Brigade" of Texans for only about six months.
      > Come to think of it, I don't have any record of him ever being in Texas. But
      > yet as Wakefield says, I too can be wrong. <g>
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    • LWhite64@aol.com
      Actually Hood was a Liet in the 2nd US Cav in Texas prior to the war, so when the war broke out he was stationed there. Also, with the Franklin quotes, Well
      Message 2 of 12 , Nov 30, 2001
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        Actually Hood was a Liet in the 2nd US Cav in Texas prior to the war, so when the war broke out he was stationed there.  Also, with the Franklin quotes, "Well if we are to die, let us die like men"  Cleburne to Brig. Gen. Daniel Govan, Nov 30, 1864

        Lee
      • Michael Mason
        Hood was to agressive for his and his Armys own good, but mainly Hood was in no physical condition to be leading an Army after the wounds he had received. So
        Message 3 of 12 , Nov 30, 2001
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          Hood was to agressive for his and his Armys own good,
          but mainly Hood was in no physical condition to be
          leading an Army after the wounds he had received.
          So the real sinner in the whole Hood nightmare was
          the man who promoted Hood in the first place.
          The Baron




          On 30-Nov-01, Lars Gjertveit <7texas@...> wrote:
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          There's one significant point about John Bell Hood that has not been mentioned so far in this debate: He blamed everyone else but himself for his failures as CIC of the Army of Tennessee, down to the very soldiers in the ranks. He continued to do so to his dying day (see his autobiography "Advance and retreat"). Is that a characteristic of a great leader? That the very men whom he ordered to make the assault at Franklin are to be blamed for his haphazard planning and antiquated tactics? I am more inclined to agree with Capt. Sam Foster of the 24th Texas that Franklin "cannot be called anything but cold-blooded murder". John Bell Hood as an army commander was a disaster. For those who don't believe it, read Wiley Sword's "Embrace an Angry Wind". Or visit the Carter House museum at Franklin (where the only portrait of John Bell Hood is displayed in the restroom)...<BR>
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          - "Forward, men, forward! Let it never be said that Texans lag in a fight!"<BR>
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          > wacogaurds64@... writes:<BR>
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          > << Most rate him from Texas ("John Bell Hood of Texas reinged Hell in <BR>
          > Tennessee"), but he was not org from there.� Just thought I would say <BR>
          > thanks!:) >><BR>
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          > He was in command of "Hood's Brigade" of Texans for only about six months.� <BR>
          > Come to think of it, I don't have any record of him ever being in Texas.� But <BR>
          > yet as Wakefield says, I too can be wrong.� <g><BR>
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        • Kristin Scherrer
          Lee, I have somewhat of a bias towards the Texans:) as I m sure you know, so if I may, I would like to share one of my favorite quotes: Forward men,
          Message 4 of 12 , Dec 1, 2001
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            Lee,

             I have somewhat of a bias towards the Texans:) as I'm sure you know,  so if I may, I would like to share one of my favorite quotes:  "Forward men, forward.  Never let it be said that Texan's lag in the fight!"

            Kristin

              LWhite64@... wrote:

            Actually Hood was a Liet in the 2nd US Cav in Texas prior to the war, so when the war broke out he was stationed there.  Also, with the Franklin quotes, "Well if we are to die, let us die like men"  Cleburne to Brig. Gen. Daniel Govan, Nov 30, 1864

            Lee


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          • Kristin Scherrer
            And go figure, I m so tired, I forget to say who said my favorite quote! It was General Hiram Bronson Granbury, KIA Battle of Franklin. Kristin Kristin
            Message 5 of 12 , Dec 1, 2001
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              And go figure, I'm so tired, I forget to say who said my favorite quote!  It was General Hiram Bronson Granbury, KIA Battle of Franklin.

              Kristin

                Kristin Scherrer <wacogaurds64@...> wrote:

              Lee,

               I have somewhat of a bias towards the Texans:) as I'm sure you know,  so if I may, I would like to share one of my favorite quotes:  "Forward men, forward.  Never let it be said that Texan's lag in the fight!"

              Kristin

                LWhite64@... wrote:

              Actually Hood was a Liet in the 2nd US Cav in Texas prior to the war, so when the war broke out he was stationed there.  Also, with the Franklin quotes, "Well if we are to die, let us die like men"  Cleburne to Brig. Gen. Daniel Govan, Nov 30, 1864

              Lee


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            • FLYNSWEDE@AOL.COM
              In a message dated 12/2/01 12:32:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, wacogaurds64@yahoo.com writes:
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                In a message dated 12/2/01 12:32:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
                wacogaurds64@... writes:

                << I have somewhat of a bias towards the Texans:) as I'm sure you know, so
                if I may, I would like to share one of my favorite quotes: "Forward men,
                forward. Never let it be said that Texan's lag in the fight!" >>

                Kristin
                IMHO, Phil Sheridan had the best thing to say about Texas. As military
                governor he said, "If I owned Texas and Hell, I would live in Hell and rent
                out Texas." <g>

                Wayne
              • Kristin Scherrer
                I have heard that many a time. And frankly, I love the state. Kristin FLYNSWEDE@AOL.COM wrote: In a message dated 12/2/01 12:32:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
                Message 7 of 12 , Dec 2, 2001
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                  I have heard that many a time.  And frankly, I love the state.

                  Kristin

                    FLYNSWEDE@... wrote:

                  In a message dated 12/2/01 12:32:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
                  wacogaurds64@... writes:

                  << I have somewhat of a bias towards the Texans:) as I'm sure you know,  so
                  if I may, I would like to share one of my favorite quotes:  "Forward men,
                  forward.  Never let it be said that Texan's lag in the fight!" >>

                  Kristin
                  IMHO, Phil Sheridan had the best thing to say about Texas.  As military
                  governor he said, "If I owned Texas and Hell, I would live in Hell and rent
                  out Texas."   <g>

                  Wayne


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                • John T. Coleman
                  ... Been through Hell (Michigan that is), heading back to Texas for the holidays. Life s too short not to live it as a Texan. John
                  Message 8 of 12 , Dec 3, 2001
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                    Wayne writes:

                    > IMHO, Phil Sheridan had the best thing to say about Texas. As military
                    > governor he said, "If I owned Texas and Hell, I would live in Hell and rent
                    > out Texas." <g>

                    Been through Hell (Michigan that is), heading back to Texas for the
                    holidays. Life's too short not to live it as a Texan. <vbg>

                    John
                  • Kristin Scherrer
                    John, I like the way you think! Kristin (A fellow Texan) ... Been through Hell (Michigan that is), heading back to Texas for the holidays. Life s too short
                    Message 9 of 12 , Dec 3, 2001
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                      John,

                       I like the way you think!

                      Kristin

                      (A fellow Texan)

                        "John T. Coleman" <jtcoleman@...> wrote:

                      Wayne writes:

                      > IMHO, Phil Sheridan had the best thing to say about Texas.  As military
                      > governor he said, "If I owned Texas and Hell, I would live in Hell and rent
                      > out Texas."  <g>

                      Been through Hell (Michigan that is), heading back to Texas for the
                      holidays.  Life's too short not to live it as a Texan.  <vbg>

                      John



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                    • FLYNSWEDE@AOL.COM
                      In a message dated 12/3/01 11:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, wacogaurds64@yahoo.com writes:
                      Message 10 of 12 , Dec 4, 2001
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                        In a message dated 12/3/01 11:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
                        wacogaurds64@... writes:

                        << Life's too short not to live it as a Texan. <vbg>
                        >>

                        There goes one of those Tejanos again. Stretching everything he can <g>
                        Wayne
                      • Kristin Scherrer
                        I did not write that, I responded to it. I am a Texan, though not proud of it. The Bible says that there is one thing that goes before the fall...Pride. I
                        Message 11 of 12 , Dec 5, 2001
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                          I did not write that, I responded to it.  I am  a Texan, though not proud of it.  The Bible says that there is one thing that goes before the fall...Pride.  I am, however, honored by my heritage there, because that is where my family comes from and is a part of me.    

                          Kristin

                            FLYNSWEDE@... wrote:

                          In a message dated 12/3/01 11:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
                          wacogaurds64@... writes:

                          <<  Life's too short not to live it as a Texan.  <vbg>
                            >>

                          There goes one of those Tejanos again.  Stretching everything he can  <g>
                          Wayne


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                        • hartshje
                          I was stationed in El Paso, TX for three years, and saw a good bit of the state. I liked it and enjoyed living there, but I have a funny anecdote to pass on
                          Message 12 of 12 , Dec 5, 2001
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                            I was stationed in El Paso, TX for three years, and saw a good bit
                            of the state. I liked it and enjoyed living there, but I have a
                            funny anecdote to pass on here. A friend of mine who was from Alaska
                            once remarked to a Texan who was expressing a little too much pride:
                            "If all you Texans don't shut up, Alaska is going to split itself in
                            half, and then Texas will be the THIRD largest state instead of the
                            second."

                            Regards,
                            Joe H.

                            --- In civilwarwest@y..., FLYNSWEDE@A... wrote:
                            > In a message dated 12/3/01 11:36:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
                            > wacogaurds64@y... writes:
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                            > << Life's too short not to live it as a Texan. <vbg>
                            > >>
                            >
                            > There goes one of those Tejanos again. Stretching everything he
                            can <g>
                            > Wayne
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