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  • Jenny Holder
    Kevin, I guess you better start the ball rolling and collect funds for it:-) Just off topic, when I was in the hotel lift in Manhattan, a photo pic of Grant
    Message 1 of 19 , Aug 1, 2001
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      Kevin,
      I guess you better start the ball rolling and collect funds for it:-)
      Just off topic, when I was in the hotel lift in Manhattan, a photo pic of
      Grant appeared on the TV( in the lift) and I said to my daughter, "oh, that
      is Grant ..wonder why they show him on CNN news".
      Next thing the other Americans in the lift commented.." Oh, if you didn't
      mention it was Grant we wouldn't had known..now that you mentioned..yes , it
      is Grant"..
      Was quite funny an Oz recognising Grant !!
      Jenny

      > There is NO statue of William S. Rosecrans....anywhere. :)
      >
      > Kevin S. Coy
    • jaaah@tbcnet.com
      It s pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a statue of the
      Message 2 of 19 , Aug 1, 2001
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        It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none! Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.

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      • jaaah@tbcnet.com
        It s pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a statue of the
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          It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none! Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.

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        • clarkc@missouri.edu
          I can see the inscription: Invincible on the campaign trail, Invisible on the battlefield Okay, it s a cheap shot, but I couldn t resist. He should have a
          Message 4 of 19 , Aug 1, 2001
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            I can see the inscription:


            "Invincible on the campaign trail,
            Invisible on the battlefield"


            Okay, it's a cheap shot, but I couldn't resist. He should have a
            monument, at least.


            HankC


            --- In civilwarwest@y..., jaaah@t... wrote:
            > It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere,
            he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots
            where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his
            victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a
            victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did
            manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace
            that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are
            already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope
            the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none!
            Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler
            pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.
            >
            > Addison Hart
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          • Michael Mason
            On 01-Aug-01, clarkc@missouri.edu wrote: I can see the inscription: Invincible on the campaign trail, Invisible on
            Message 5 of 19 , Aug 1, 2001
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              On 01-Aug-01, clarkc@... wrote:
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              "Invincible on the campaign trail,<BR>
              Invisible on the battlefield"<BR>
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              Okay, it's a cheap shot, but I couldn't resist. He should have a <BR>
              monument, at least.<BR>
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              HankC<BR>
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              I think thats the first time anybody ever took a cheap shot in this group! The Baron
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              --- In civilwarwest@y..., jaaah@t... wrote:<BR>
              > It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, <BR>
              he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots <BR>
              where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his <BR>
              victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a <BR>
              victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did <BR>
              manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace <BR>
              that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are <BR>
              already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope <BR>
              the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none! <BR>
              Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler <BR>
              pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton. <BR>
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            • thecoys@kingcon.com
              Interesting inscription but believe it or not one of the criticisms of William S. Rosecrans was that he was too visible on the battlefield. Case in point was
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                Interesting inscription but believe it or not one of the criticisms of
                William S. Rosecrans was that he was too visible on the battlefield. Case in
                point was the Battle of Stones River/Murfreesboro.

                Kevin S. Coy


                clarkc@... wrote:

                > I can see the inscription:
                >
                > "Invincible on the campaign trail,
                > Invisible on the battlefield"
                >
                > Okay, it's a cheap shot, but I couldn't resist. He should have a
                > monument, at least.
                >
                > HankC
                >
                > --- In civilwarwest@y..., jaaah@t... wrote:
                > > It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere,
                > he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots
                > where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his
                > victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a
                > victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did
                > manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace
                > that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are
                > already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope
                > the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none!
                > Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler
                > pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.
                > >
                > > Addison Hart
                > >
                > >
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                > >
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              • thecoys@kingcon.com
                In August of 1898 this was written by H.M. Beadle: JUSTICE DEMANDS A STATUE FOR GENERAL ROSECRANS As has been shown, the authorities at Washington were
                Message 7 of 19 , Aug 1, 2001
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                  In August of 1898 this was written by H.M. Beadle:

                  "JUSTICE DEMANDS A STATUE FOR GENERAL ROSECRANS"

                      "As has been shown, the authorities at Washington were awaiting the time and opportunity to relieve Rosecrans of his command.  But in order to justify themselves they found it necessary to resort to a lie.  Dana telegraphed Stanton that Rosecrans would abandon Chattanooga unless ordered to hold it.  There was no foundation whatever for such a statement, and the friends of Dana owe it to his memory to show who was the author of the falsehood.
                      "The Society of the Army of the Cumberland has honored Thomas by erecting a statue in Washington to commemorate his great deeds.  That society will not have done its full duty until the great services of Rosecrans have been commemorated in like manner.  But even if it should fail in its duty, history will give to Rosecrans a high place among the great men and commanders of the war for the Union."

                  This paragraph is from A Defence of General Rosecrans by H. M. Beadle and can be found at: http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notsid=BAC8387-1470CATH-9
                   

                  Who knows...some day there may be an organization, similar to the Longstreet Society, that may try to get a statue for William S. Rosecrans.

                  Your obedient servant,
                  Kevin S. Coy

                  jaaah@... wrote:

                  It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none! Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.

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                • thecoys@kingcon.com
                  The link doesn t work....I ll try and get it to you. Kevin S. Coy ... [Image]
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                    The link doesn't work....I'll try and get it to you.

                    Kevin S. Coy

                    thecoys@... wrote:

                    In August of 1898 this was written by H.M. Beadle:

                    "JUSTICE DEMANDS A STATUE FOR GENERAL ROSECRANS"

                        "As has been shown, the authorities at Washington were awaiting the time and opportunity to relieve Rosecrans of his command.  But in order to justify themselves they found it necessary to resort to a lie.  Dana telegraphed Stanton that Rosecrans would abandon Chattanooga unless ordered to hold it.  There was no foundation whatever for such a statement, and the friends of Dana owe it to his memory to show who was the author of the falsehood.
                        "The Society of the Army of the Cumberland has honored Thomas by erecting a statue in Washington to commemorate his great deeds.  That society will not have done its full duty until the great services of Rosecrans have been commemorated in like manner.  But even if it should fail in its duty, history will give to Rosecrans a high place among the great men and commanders of the war for the Union."

                    This paragraph is from A Defence of General Rosecrans by H. M. Beadle and can be found at: http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notsid=BAC8387-1470CATH-9
                     

                    Who knows...some day there may be an organization, similar to the Longstreet Society, that may try to get a statue for William S. Rosecrans.

                    Your obedient servant,
                    Kevin S. Coy

                    jaaah@... wrote:

                    It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none! Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.

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                  • thecoys@kingcon.com
                    Try this one...http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/m/moajrnl/moajrnl-idx?notisid=BAC8387-1470CATH-95 ... [Image]
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                      Try this one...http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/m/moajrnl/moajrnl-idx?notisid=BAC8387-1470CATH-95

                      thecoys@... wrote:

                      In August of 1898 this was written by H.M. Beadle:

                      "JUSTICE DEMANDS A STATUE FOR GENERAL ROSECRANS"

                          "As has been shown, the authorities at Washington were awaiting the time and opportunity to relieve Rosecrans of his command.  But in order to justify themselves they found it necessary to resort to a lie.  Dana telegraphed Stanton that Rosecrans would abandon Chattanooga unless ordered to hold it.  There was no foundation whatever for such a statement, and the friends of Dana owe it to his memory to show who was the author of the falsehood.
                          "The Society of the Army of the Cumberland has honored Thomas by erecting a statue in Washington to commemorate his great deeds.  That society will not have done its full duty until the great services of Rosecrans have been commemorated in like manner.  But even if it should fail in its duty, history will give to Rosecrans a high place among the great men and commanders of the war for the Union."

                      This paragraph is from A Defence of General Rosecrans by H. M. Beadle and can be found at: http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notsid=BAC8387-1470CATH-9
                       

                      Who knows...some day there may be an organization, similar to the Longstreet Society, that may try to get a statue for William S. Rosecrans.

                      Your obedient servant,
                      Kevin S. Coy

                      jaaah@... wrote:

                      It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none! Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.

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                    • clarkc@missouri.edu
                      I said it was a low blow. I believe there is a detailed drawing of Rosecrans leading his staff at the battle and his COS being decapitated by a cannon ball...
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                        I said it was a low blow.

                        I believe there is a detailed drawing of Rosecrans leading his staff
                        at the battle and his COS being decapitated by a cannon ball...


                        Cheers,
                        HankC


                        --- In civilwarwest@y..., thecoys@k... wrote:
                        > Interesting inscription but believe it or not one of the criticisms
                        of
                        > William S. Rosecrans was that he was too visible on the battlefield.
                        Case in
                        > point was the Battle of Stones River/Murfreesboro.
                        >
                        > Kevin S. Coy
                        >
                        >
                        > clarkc@m... wrote:
                        >
                        > > I can see the inscription:
                        > >
                        > > "Invincible on the campaign trail,
                        > > Invisible on the battlefield"
                        > >
                        > > Okay, it's a cheap shot, but I couldn't resist. He should have a
                        > > monument, at least.
                        > >
                        > > HankC
                        > >
                        > > --- In civilwarwest@y..., jaaah@t... wrote:
                        > > > It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues
                        anywhere,
                        > > he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four
                        spots
                        > > where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was
                        his
                        > > victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was
                        a
                        > > victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did
                        > > manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace
                        > > that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there
                        are
                        > > already several monuments to other generals. You would at least
                        hope
                        > > the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again,
                        none!
                        > > Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler
                        > > pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.
                        > > >
                        > > > Addison Hart
                        > > >
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                      • josepharose@yahoo.com
                        Hank, A detailed drawing of Garesche being decapitated by a cannon ball ? I don t think that I would want that picture hanging over my dining room table. As
                        Message 11 of 19 , Aug 2, 2001
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                          Hank,

                          A "detailed drawing" of Garesche "being decapitated by a cannon ball"?

                          I don't think that I would want that picture hanging over my dining
                          room table.

                          As an aside, it seems that in Grant's Tomb, the only general besides
                          Grant who is represented more than once is George Thomas. One mosaic
                          seems to be of them on Orchard Knob.

                          Thomas' is also one of the five busts of Grant's generals (do you
                          want to guess the other four?).

                          Joseph



                          From: clarkc@m...
                          Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 10:34 am
                          Subject: Re: Re Statues

                          I said it was a low blow.

                          I believe there is a detailed drawing of Rosecrans leading his staff
                          at the battle and his COS being decapitated by a cannon ball...


                          Cheers,
                          HankC
                        • P Spencer
                          Rosie was also on the battlefield at Corinth when the Confederates broke into the town. He tried vainly to stop his fleeing troops, but had no effect - now
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                            Rosie was also on the battlefield at Corinth when the Confederates broke
                            into the town. He tried vainly to stop his fleeing troops, but had no
                            effect - now maybe this was because of his lisp - apparently when he became
                            excited you couldn't understand a word he said!!

                            Anyway he was saved by others (again) on that occasion.

                            Paul

                            tiAt 01:10 AM 8/2/01 -0400, you wrote:
                            >Interesting inscription but believe it or not one of the criticisms of
                            >William S. Rosecrans was that he was too visible on the battlefield. Case in
                            >point was the Battle of Stones River/Murfreesboro.
                            >
                            >Kevin S. Coy
                            >
                            >
                            >clarkc@... wrote:
                            >
                            >> I can see the inscription:
                            >>
                            >> "Invincible on the campaign trail,
                            >> Invisible on the battlefield"
                            >>
                            >> Okay, it's a cheap shot, but I couldn't resist. He should have a
                            >> monument, at least.
                            >>
                            >> HankC
                            >>
                            >> --- In civilwarwest@y..., jaaah@t... wrote:
                            >> > It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere,
                            >> he was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots
                            >> where a statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his
                            >> victory, not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a
                            >> victory for Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did
                            >> manage to keep from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace
                            >> that there is no statue there, as the field is so large and there are
                            >> already several monuments to other generals. You would at least hope
                            >> the poor guy would have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none!
                            >> Poor guy! Joe Johnston was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler
                            >> pointed out some months ago, he's got one up at Dalton.
                            >> >
                            >> > Addison Hart
                            >> >
                            >> >
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                          • clarkc@missouri.edu
                            Since it s Friday and I ve recovered from yesterday s testiness, I ll guess: McPherson Sherman Sheridan uncle! Cheers, HankC ... ball ? ... mosaic
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                              Since it's Friday and I've recovered from yesterday's testiness, I'll
                              guess:

                              McPherson
                              Sherman
                              Sheridan
                              uncle!


                              Cheers,
                              HankC


                              --- In civilwarwest@y..., josepharose@y... wrote:
                              > Hank,
                              >
                              > A "detailed drawing" of Garesche "being decapitated by a cannon
                              ball"?
                              >
                              > I don't think that I would want that picture hanging over my dining
                              > room table.
                              >
                              > As an aside, it seems that in Grant's Tomb, the only general besides
                              > Grant who is represented more than once is George Thomas. One
                              mosaic
                              > seems to be of them on Orchard Knob.
                              >
                              > Thomas' is also one of the five busts of Grant's generals (do you
                              > want to guess the other four?).
                              >
                              > Joseph
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > From: clarkc@m...
                              > Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 10:34 am
                              > Subject: Re: Re Statues
                              >
                              > I said it was a low blow.
                              >
                              > I believe there is a detailed drawing of Rosecrans leading his staff
                              > at the battle and his COS being decapitated by a cannon ball...
                              >
                              >
                              > Cheers,
                              > HankC
                            • josepharose@yahoo.com
                              Hank and Jenny, As to the five busts in Grant s Tomb, Hank nailed the same four as I: Thomas, McPherson, Sherman, and Sheridan. Even looking at him, I didn t
                              Message 14 of 19 , Aug 3, 2001
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                                Hank and Jenny,

                                As to the five busts in Grant's Tomb, Hank nailed the same four as I:
                                Thomas, McPherson, Sherman, and Sheridan. Even looking at him, I
                                didn't reconize Ord. I would guess that he got in due to his post-CW
                                experience.

                                Jenny, Hank might be able to tell you more about the decapitation.

                                The sarcophagi for Hiram and Julia are red granite similar to
                                Napoleon's. The tomb is not as funereal now as first furnished.

                                One mosaic mural shows Grant and Lee, one shows Grant and Thomas at
                                Chattanooga, and the third shows Grant at Vicksburg with two unnamed
                                oficers--according to a ranger.

                                The area is quite safe during the day.

                                Joseph
                              • jaaah@tbcnet.com
                                Is Thomas also on that list? Addison ... Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com
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                                  Is Thomas also on that list?

                                  Addison


                                  > ** Original Subject: RE: [civilwarwest] Re: Re Statues
                                  > ** Original Sender: clarkc@...
                                  > ** Original Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:49:37 -0500

                                  > ** Original Message follows...

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                                  > guess:<BR>
                                  > <BR>
                                  > McPherson<BR>
                                  > Sherman<BR>
                                  > Sheridan<BR>
                                  > uncle!<BR>
                                  > <BR>
                                  > <BR>
                                  > Cheers,<BR>
                                  > HankC<BR>
                                  > <BR>
                                  > <BR>
                                  > --- In civilwarwest@y..., josepharose@y... wrote:<BR>
                                  > > Hank,<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > A "detailed drawing" of Garesche "being decapitated by a cannon <BR>
                                  > ball"?<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > I don't think that I would want that picture hanging over my dining <BR>
                                  > > room table.<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > As an aside, it seems that in Grant's Tomb, the only general besides <BR>
                                  > > Grant who is represented more than once is George Thomas.  One <BR>
                                  > mosaic <BR>
                                  > > seems to be of them on Orchard Knob.<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > Thomas' is also one of the five busts of Grant's generals (do you <BR>
                                  > > want to guess the other four?).<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > Joseph<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > From:  clarkc@m...<BR>
                                  > > Date:  Thu Aug 2, 2001  10:34 am<BR>
                                  > > Subject:  Re: Re Statues<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > I said it was a low blow.<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > I believe there is a detailed drawing of Rosecrans leading his staff <BR>
                                  > > at the battle and his COS being decapitated by a cannon ball...<BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > <BR>
                                  > > Cheers,<BR>
                                  > > HankC<BR>
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                                • Robert Taubman
                                  Probably Schoefield (sp?). ... From: To: Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: [civilwarwest] Re:
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Aug 3, 2001
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                                    Probably Schoefield (sp?).

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: <clarkc@...>
                                    To: <civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 9:47 AM
                                    Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Re Statues


                                    |
                                    | Since it's Friday and I've recovered from yesterday's testiness, I'll
                                    | guess:
                                    |
                                    | McPherson
                                    | Sherman
                                    | Sheridan
                                    | uncle!
                                    |
                                    |
                                    | Cheers,
                                    | HankC
                                    |
                                    |
                                    | --- In civilwarwest@y..., josepharose@y... wrote:
                                    | > Hank,
                                    | >
                                    | > A "detailed drawing" of Garesche "being decapitated by a cannon
                                    | ball"?
                                    | >
                                    | > I don't think that I would want that picture hanging over my dining
                                    | > room table.
                                    | >
                                    | > As an aside, it seems that in Grant's Tomb, the only general besides
                                    | > Grant who is represented more than once is George Thomas. One
                                    | mosaic
                                    | > seems to be of them on Orchard Knob.
                                    | >
                                    | > Thomas' is also one of the five busts of Grant's generals (do you
                                    | > want to guess the other four?).
                                    | >
                                    | > Joseph
                                    | >
                                    | >
                                    | >
                                    | > From: clarkc@m...
                                    | > Date: Thu Aug 2, 2001 10:34 am
                                    | > Subject: Re: Re Statues
                                    | >
                                    | > I said it was a low blow.
                                    | >
                                    | > I believe there is a detailed drawing of Rosecrans leading his staff
                                    | > at the battle and his COS being decapitated by a cannon ball...
                                    | >
                                    | >
                                    | > Cheers,
                                    | > HankC
                                    |
                                    |
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                                  • Jenny Holder
                                    Joseph, Thanks and I will ask Hank about the gruesome detail. As for Riverside Dr in Mornington Heights ,Manhattan. where Grant s mausoleum is situated....I
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                                      Joseph,

                                      Thanks and I will ask Hank about the gruesome detail.
                                      As for Riverside Dr in Mornington Heights ,Manhattan. where Grant's
                                      mausoleum is situated....I was warned not to go there with the 2 of us even
                                      during the day. Not a problem getting there by taxi but it can be a problem
                                      getting a taxi back. That are is near Harlem and even though Harlem is very
                                      safe during the day now, it is not adviseable.
                                      My daughter and I had a guide to venture in to Harlem and attending the
                                      Sunday Gospel Church Service..was very moving experience indeed then lunch
                                      at " Cotton Club"..not the original as that was burned.

                                      As for St Columbis Univ.. that was very safe. I see Clinton has moved his
                                      office in Harlem.

                                      Oh yes, each sarcophagus weighs 8.5 tons.

                                      There is another statue in Madison Square....Admiral Farragut.
                                      Jenny
                                      .
                                      >
                                      > Jenny, Hank might be able to tell you more about the decapitation.
                                      >
                                      > The sarcophagi for Hiram and Julia are red granite similar to
                                      > Napoleon's. The tomb is not as funereal now as first furnished.
                                      >
                                      > One mosaic mural shows Grant and Lee, one shows Grant and Thomas at
                                      > Chattanooga, and the third shows Grant at Vicksburg with two unnamed
                                      > oficers--according to a ranger.
                                      >
                                      > The area is quite safe during the day.
                                      >
                                      > Joseph
                                      >
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                                    • Bob Huddleston
                                      Keep in mind that most CW statues were either erected by the various Societies of the armies, i.e., the Army of the Tennessee, GAR, UCV, etc, or the person s
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                                        Keep in mind that most CW statues were either erected by the various
                                        "Societies" of the armies, i.e., the Army of the Tennessee, GAR, UCV,
                                        etc, or the person's home town.

                                        Failure to erect a statue to Old Rosey may reflect more on the opinion
                                        of him held by the Army of the Cumberland than anything else.

                                        Next time you are in San Francisco, go to the Presidio and visit the
                                        National Cemetery there: under a plain government issue headstone lies
                                        Irvin McDowell. Interestingly not even his family went to the expense of
                                        paying for a more elaborate monument, let alone the soldiers he had
                                        commanded, both in the Civil War and in his pos-war years.

                                        As a personal aside (and I say this even though we contributed to the
                                        Longstreet statue at Gettysburg -- which ought to be either at
                                        Chickamauga or on the Orange Plank Road), today, if one wants to
                                        contribute to the memory of Civil War soldiers, don't give to statues!
                                        Donate to land preservation: in the west, among other battlefields,
                                        Spring Hill, and Franklin are in severe danger of being developed into
                                        sub-divisions. :>(

                                        Take care,

                                        Bob

                                        Judy and Bob Huddleston
                                        10643 Sperry Street
                                        Northglenn, CO 80234-3612
                                        303.451.6276 Adco@...

                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: jaaah@... [mailto:jaaah@...]
                                        Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:17 PM
                                        To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [civilwarwest] Re Statues


                                        It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he
                                        was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a
                                        statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his victory,
                                        not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a victory for
                                        Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did manage to keep
                                        from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace that there is no
                                        statue there, as the field is so large and there are already several
                                        monuments to other generals. You would at least hope the poor guy would
                                        have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none! Poor guy! Joe Johnston
                                        was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler pointed out some months ago,
                                        he's got one up at Dalton.

                                        Addison Hart
                                      • Jenny Holder
                                        Bob, My Beaufort acquaintance did draw my attention to the disappearing West Battlefields and a news cutting even stated the disappearance of the route that
                                        Message 19 of 19 , Aug 5, 2001
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                                          Bob,
                                          My Beaufort acquaintance did draw my attention to the disappearing West
                                          Battlefields and a news cutting even stated the "disappearance" of the route
                                          that Sherman took to the sea!!
                                          While Rob Hodge did infiltrate our TV about Manassas, the West had a
                                          miniscule coverage about the diminishing battlefields by sub division of
                                          land etc.
                                          There was an Oz who was concerned enough to write a letter to the White
                                          House recently to voice his opinion that Bush ought to stand at Gettysburg
                                          and to soak the ambience about the ACW and start spending some money to
                                          this cause.

                                          If he did,this wouldn't be published here .
                                          Back in 1997, we even had a Mississipian representation to come here for the
                                          War memorial service to pay tribute to ACW soldiers being buried here..so
                                          far I think 11 graves sites have been located and now we the researchers are
                                          searching the rest.....101 ACW soldiers.

                                          I would hate to visit the West and find that places like Shiloh,
                                          Chickamuaga, Chattanoga , Vicksburg etc all being taken over by shopping
                                          centres and "cookie cutter" houses.

                                          Longstreet deserves to have his statue some where and it is super to see him
                                          in GB even if his horse doesn't do him justice..at least in this way, I get
                                          to see him amongst Warren, Meade, Lee etc....he should have a regal looking
                                          one with a regal horse ..oops, I am in the wrong group...
                                          Jenny

                                          > Longstreet statue at Gettysburg -- which ought to be either at
                                          > Chickamauga or on the Orange Plank Road), today, if one wants to
                                          > contribute to the memory of Civil War soldiers, don't give to statues!
                                          > Donate to land preservation: in the west, among other battlefields,
                                          > Spring Hill, and Franklin are in severe danger of being developed into
                                          > sub-divisions. :>(
                                          >
                                          > Take care,
                                          >
                                          > Bob
                                          >
                                          > Judy and Bob Huddleston
                                          > 10643 Sperry Street
                                          > Northglenn, CO 80234-3612
                                          > 303.451.6276 Adco@...
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                                          > -----Original Message-----
                                          > From: jaaah@... [mailto:jaaah@...]
                                          > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:17 PM
                                          > To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Subject: RE: [civilwarwest] Re Statues
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > It's pretty silly that there are no Bill Rosecrans statues anywhere, he
                                          > was after all a fairly able commander. I can think of four spots where a
                                          > statue of the man should stand, 1) Rich Mountain, it was his victory,
                                          > not George McClellan's. Then, 2) Tullahoma, this too was a victory for
                                          > Old Rosey. 3) Stone's River/Murfreesboro, which he did manage to keep
                                          > from being a loss. 4) Chickamauga, it is a disgrace that there is no
                                          > statue there, as the field is so large and there are already several
                                          > monuments to other generals. You would at least hope the poor guy would
                                          > have a statue at his birthplace, but again, none! Poor guy! Joe Johnston
                                          > was almost as unlucky, but as Mr. Butler pointed out some months ago,
                                          > he's got one up at Dalton.
                                          >
                                          > Addison Hart
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