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Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Was Pemberton Wrong, Bad, Incompetent (Vicksburg Campaign)

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  • John Lawrence
    Hello. They lacked the skill set. Blaming them and ignoring Grant begs the issue. Regards, Jack
    Message 1 of 52 , Jan 2, 2013
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      Hello.
      They lacked the skill set.
      Blaming them and ignoring Grant begs the issue.
      Regards,
      Jack

      hank9174 <clarkc@...> wrote:

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      >Johnston did little to help and Pemberton allowed himself to be trapped in a fixed position. Davis did nothing to break the stalemate.
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      >placing 35,000 troops in fixed fortifications with their backs to a river without an attempt at relief is incompetence by Pemberton, Johnston and Davis...
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      >with all the talk of the civil war being the first 'modern war', the there was tremendous room for maneuver in the west.
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      >--- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "callicles1" <callicles1@...> wrote:
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      >> I am of the opinion that Pemberton acquitted himself well enough during the campaign. He just ran up against Grant. I'm just wondering what you folks think.
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      >> 1. Was Grant that good; or
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      >> 2. Was Pemberton that bad; or
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      >> 3. Is it some where in between?
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      >> I really can't wait to read opinions and to engage in discussion. Thanks.
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    • Ned Baldwin
      ... He did receive direction from Halleck; Halleck did not remain Mute. ... Baseless. ... Would there have been a disaster at Holly Springs without the
      Message 52 of 52 , Jan 10, 2013
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        --- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" wrote:
        > Starting in early October IIRC, Grant asked repeatedly for direction. What am I to do? What is my objective? How should I proceed. Receiving absolutely no direction from Halleck, Grant outlined a plan: consolidate his force against Holly Springs, drive Pemberton south rebuilding the railroad as he went, take Vicksburg from the interior. Still, Halleck remained mute about Grant's objectives, despite the fact that Halleck was aware that McClernand had bent Lincoln's ear towards a riverine campaign.
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        He did receive direction from Halleck; Halleck did not remain Mute.



        > So we have Lincoln stabbing Grant in the back, and Halleck feeding him lies.
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        Baseless.


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        Would there have been a disaster at Holly Springs without the riverine expedition?
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        Absolutely.



        > As far as inventing my own history, go bugger yourself in the earhole.
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        Truth hurts huh.
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