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  • jlawrence@kc.rr.com
    I am wondering if this would have voided all treaties. Did the nation (Cherokee) have to renegotiate it s status after Appomattix? Regards Jack Sent from my
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 20, 2010
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      I am wondering if this would have voided all treaties.
      Did the nation (Cherokee) have to renegotiate it's status after Appomattix?

      Regards
      Jack
      Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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      From: "Knight Hawk" <SouthernCherokee@...>
      Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:06:59
      To: <civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com>
      Subject: [civilwarwest] Declaration of ratification of the treaty with the Confederate States of America

      Declaration of ratification of the treaty with the Confederate States of America by the Cherokee National Committee with concurrence of the National Council and approval of Chief John Ross



      Declaration by the people of the Cherokee Nation of the causes which have impelled them to unite their fortunes with those of the Confederate States of America

      When circumstances beyond their control compel one people to sever the ties which have long existed between them and another state or confederacy, and to contract new alliances and establish new relations for the security of their rights and liberties, it is fit that they should publicly declare the reasons by which their action is justified.

      The Cherokee people had its origin in the South; its institution are similar to those of the Southern States, and their interests identical with theirs. Long since it accepted the protection of the United States of America, contracted with them treaties of alliance and friendship, and allowed themselves to be to a great extent governed by their laws.

      In peace and war they have been faithful to their engagements with the United States. With much of hardship and injustice to complain of, they resorted to no other means than solicitation and argument to obtain redress. Loyal and obedient to the laws and the stipulations of their treaties, they served under the flag of the United States, shared the common dangers, and were entitled to a share in the common glory, to gain which their blood was freely shed on the battle-field.

      When the dissentions between the Southern and Northern States culminated in a separation of State after States from the Union they watched the progress of events with anxiety and consternation. While their institutions and the contiguity of their territory to the States of necessarily their own cause, their treaties had been made with the United States, and they felt the utmost reluctance even in appearance to violate their engagements or set at naught the obligations of good faith.

      Conscious that they were a people few in numbers compared with either of the contending parties, and that their country might with no considerable force be easily overrun and devastated and desolation and ruin be the result if they took up arms for either side, their authorities determined that no other course was consistent with the dictates of prudence or could secure the safety of their people and immunity from the horrors of a war waged by an invading enemy than a strict neutrality, and in this decision they were sustained by a majority of the nation.

      That policy was accordingly adopted and faithfully adhered to. Early in the month of June of the present year the authorities of the nation declined to enter into negotiations for an alliance with the Confederate States, and protested against the occupation of the Cherokee country by their troops, or any other violation of their neutrality. No act was allowed that could be construed by the United States to be a violation of the faith of treaties.

      But Providence rules the destinies of nations, and events, by inexorable necessity, overrule human resolutions. The number of the Confederate States has increased to eleven, and their Government is firmly established and consolidated. Maintaining in the field an army of 200,000 men, the war became for them but a succession of victories. Disclaiming any intention to invade the Northern States, they sought only to repel invaders from their own soil and to secure the right of governing themselves. They claimed only the privilege asserted by the Declaration of American Independence, and on which the right of the Northern States themselves to self-government is founded, of altering their form of government when it became no longer tolerable and establishing new forms for the security of their liberties.

      Throughout the Confederate States we saw this great revolution effected without violence or the suspension of the laws or the closing of the courts. The military power was nowhere placed above the civil authorities. None were seized and imprisoned at the mandate of arbitrary power. All division among the people disappeared, and the determination became unanimous that there should never again be any union with the Northern States. Almost as one man all who were able to bear arms rushed to the defense of an invaded country, and nowhere has it been found necessary to compel men to serve or to enlist mercenaries by the offer of extraordinary bounties.

      But in the Northern States the Cherokee people saw with alarm a violated Constitution, all civil liberty put in peril, and all the rules of civilized warfare and the dictates of common humanity and decency unhesitatingly disregarded. In States which still adhered to the Union a military despotism has displaced the civil power and the laws became silent amid arms. Free speech and almost free thought became a crime. The right to the writ of habeas corpus, guaranteed by the Constitution, disappeared at the nod of a Secretary or a general of the lowest grade. The mandate of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court was set at naught by the military power, and this outrage on common right approved by a President sworn to support the Constitution. War on the largest scale was waged, and the immense bodies of troops called into the field in the absence of any law warranting it under the pretense of suppressing unlawful combination of men. The humanities of war, which even barbarians respect, were no longer thought worthy to be observed. Foreign mercenaries and the scum of cities and the inmates of prisons were enlisted and organized into regiments and brigades and sent into Southern States to aid in subjugating a people struggling for freedom, to burn, to plunder, and to commit the basest of outrages on women; while the heels of armed tyranny trod upon the necks of Maryland and Missouri, and men of the highest character and position were incarcerated upon suspicion and without process of law in jails, in forts, and in prison-ships, and even women were imprisoned by the arbitrary order of a President and Cabinet ministers; while the press ceased to be free, the publication of newspapers was suspended and their issues seized and destroyed; the officers and men taken prisoners in battle were allowed to remain in captivity by the refusal of their Government to consent to an exchange of prisoners; as they had left their dead on more than one field of battle that had witnessed their defeat to be buried and their wounded to be cared for by Southern hands.

      Whatever causes the Cherokee people may have had in the past to complain of some of the Southern States, they cannot but feel that their interests and their destiny are inseparably connected with those of the South. The war now raging is a war of Northern cupidity and fanaticism against the institution of African servitude; against the commercial freedom of the South, and against the political freedom of the States, and its objects are to annihilate the sovereignty of those States and utterly change the nature of the Gen. Government.

      The Cherokee people and their neighbors were warned before the war commenced that the first object of the party which now holds the powers of government of the United States would be to annul the institution of slavery in the whole Indian country, and make it what they term free territory and after a time a free State; and they have been also warned by the fate which has befallen those of their race in Kansas, Nebraska, and Oregon that at no distant day they too would be compelled to surrender their country at the demand of Northern rapacity, and be content with an extinct nationality, and with reserves of limited extent for individuals, of which their people would soon be despoiled by speculators, if not plundered unscrupulously by the State.

      Urged by these considerations, the Cherokees, long divided in opinion, became unanimous, and like their brethren, the Creeks, Seminoles, Choctaws, and Chickasaws, determined, by the undivided voice of a Gen. Convention of all the people, held at Tahlequah, on the 21st day of Augusta, in the present year, to make common cause with the South and share its fortunes.

      In now carrying this resolution into effect and consummating a treaty of alliance and friendship with the Confederate States of America the Cherokee people declares that it has been faithful and loyal to its engagements with the United States until, by placing its safety and even its national existence in imminent peril, those States have released them from those engagements.

      Menaced by a great danger, they exercise the inalienable right of self-defense, and declare themselves a free people, independent of the Northern States of America, and at war with them by their own act. Obeying the dictates of prudence and providing for the general safety and welfare, confident of the rectitude of their intentions and true to the obligations of duty and honor, they accept the issue thus forces upon them, unite their fortunes now and forever with those of the Confederate States, and take up arms for the common cause, and with entire confidence in the justice of that cause and with a firm reliance upon Divine Providence, will resolutely abide the consequences.

      Tahlequah, C. N.
      October 28, 1861.

      THOMAS PEGG,
      President National Committee.

      JOSHUA ROSS,
      Clerk National Committee.

      Concurred.

      LACY MOUSE,
      Speaker of Council.

      THOMAS B. WOLFE,
      Clerk Council.

      Approved.

      JNO. ROSS.




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    • Joy, Mark
      J. Lawrence wrote: I am wondering if this would have voided all treaties. Did the nation (Cherokee) have to renegotiate it s status after Appomattix? All of
      Message 2 of 6 , Feb 20, 2010
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        J. Lawrence wrote: I am wondering if this would have voided all treaties.
        Did the nation (Cherokee) have to renegotiate it's status after Appomattix?

        All of the Indians among the Five Civilized Tribes in the Indian Territory had to negotiate “Reconstruction Treaties” with the federal government after the war.  Some of these tribes held black slaves, and those slaves not only had to be made free, but given citizenship in the tribe.  The Cherokee tribe right now is trying to purge the descendants of these black Cherokees from their tribal rolls, which I imagine will spark some lawsuits by people arguing they can’t do this.  Tribal citizenship for former slaves and their descendants also had a major impact in the 1880s when the government allotted reservation lands to tribal members—those blacks tribal citizenships were eligible for an allotment of land.

         

         

        Mark S. Joy

        Jamestown ND

      • jlawrence@kc.rr.com
        Thanks. Didn t know that. Regards, Jack Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ... From: Joy, Mark Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:45:24 To:
        Message 3 of 6 , Feb 20, 2010
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          Thanks.
          Didn't know that.

          Regards,

          Jack

          Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


          From: "Joy, Mark" <joy@...>
          Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:45:24 -0600
          To: <civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com>
          Subject: RE: [civilwarwest] Declaration of ratification of the treaty with the Confederate States of America

          J. Lawrence wrote: I am wondering if this would have voided all treaties.
          Did the nation (Cherokee) have to renegotiate it's status after Appomattix?

          All of the Indians among the Five Civilized Tribes in the Indian Territory had to negotiate “Reconstruction Treaties” with the federal government after the war.  Some of these tribes held black slaves, and those slaves not only had to be made free, but given citizenship in the tribe.  The Cherokee tribe right now is trying to purge the descendants of these black Cherokees from their tribal rolls, which I imagine will spark some lawsuits by people arguing they can’t do this.  Tribal citizenship for former slaves and their descendants also had a major impact in the 1880s when the government allotted reservation lands to tribal members—those blacks tribal citizenships were eligible for an allotment of land.

           

           

          Mark S. Joy

          Jamestown ND

        • carlw4514
          my two cents: I in no way object to anyone wanting to discuss the participation of the 5 Civ Tribes in the Civil War, but for copy and paste contributions ...
          Message 4 of 6 , Feb 21, 2010
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            my two cents:

            I in no way object to anyone wanting to discuss the participation of the 5 Civ Tribes in the Civil War, but for copy and paste contributions ... that seems to me to belong to our Files Section.

            I'd rather see the posts/emails bring up discussion .

            Here's some questions: Had the Confederacy prevailed in getting her Independence, would the treatment of the Indians been better? Did Cherokee alliance with the CSA help lead to subsequent brutal treatment of the Indians in general?

            And what in the heck would the map of what we now call the West look like anyway ? I think the Transcontinental Railway would have proceeded and those tribes in the way still treated much the same.
          • Knight Hawk
            To see any one of the 7,340 google hits for the Cherokee Chief Stand Watie and the secret society called the Knights of the Golden Circle Just click on the
            Message 5 of 6 , Feb 25, 2010
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              To see any one of the 7,340 google hits for the Cherokee Chief "Stand Watie" and the secret society called the "Knights of the Golden Circle" Just click on the following link:

              http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS310US311&ei=_muFS_XjAojcsgOLz\
              Oi-Dw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAUQBSgA&q=%22stand+watie%22+%2\
              2knights+of+the+golden+circle%22&spell=1

              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/KnightsoftheGoldenCircle120

              --- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "carlw4514" <carlw4514@...> wrote:
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              > my two cents:
              >
              > I in no way object to anyone wanting to discuss the participation of the 5 Civ Tribes in the Civil War, but for copy and paste contributions ... that seems to me to belong to our Files Section.
              >
              > I'd rather see the posts/emails bring up discussion .
              >
              > Here's some questions: Had the Confederacy prevailed in getting her Independence, would the treatment of the Indians been better? Did Cherokee alliance with the CSA help lead to subsequent brutal treatment of the Indians in general?
              >
              > And what in the heck would the map of what we now call the West look like anyway ? I think the Transcontinental Railway would have proceeded and those tribes in the way still treated much the same.
              >
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