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  • Ronald black
    Grant intended for his forces to advance through the center of the state down towards Vicksburg and Sherman s forces forces to approach Vicksburg from the
    Message 1 of 6 , Dec 2, 2009
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      Grant intended for his forces to advance through the center of the state down towards Vicksburg and Sherman's forces forces to approach Vicksburg from the Mississippi river.  Because of the wide seperation of the two forces, Sherman had greater freedom of action then he would have had as part of a united field army.  
      Yes, Grant tried to fix Pemberton's forces in the center of the state and away from Sherman but these efforts were not successful when Grant's overland efforts had to retire.  Instead of Sherman terminating efforts on the rivers, when repulsed, he tried another water way.  Evidence the several efforts of Sherman to transport troops on the Yazoo and other waterways.  Both Grant and Sherman tried repeated attacks, when repulsed, they shifted to another route.  
      Ron  
    • carlw4514
      if this is two different versions of intentions etc, what does the magazine article seem to say?
      Message 2 of 6 , Dec 2, 2009
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        if this is two different versions of intentions etc, what does the magazine article seem to say?
      • Tony
        ... Grant was ordered to do so by Halleck. ... Yes, which Grant did. Only two brigades reached Vicksburg before Sherman s assault, both of them were ordered
        Message 3 of 6 , Dec 2, 2009
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          --- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Swan <pbswan@...> wrote:
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          > Let's see. Did Grant order Sherman to Memphis to take the
          > troops that McClernand was gathering there down to Vicksburg?

          Grant was ordered to do so by Halleck.

          > Did Grant plan to keep up pressure on Pemberton and fix him
          > in position, preventing his going to Vicksburg?

          Yes, which Grant did. Only two brigades reached Vicksburg before Sherman's assault, both of them were ordered south before Pemberton knew that Grant was withdrawing back to Vicksburg. Neither brigade participated appreciably in the fighting at Chickasaw Bayou.

          > Did Grant thus envision a coordinated action
          > between his troops and those with Sherman?

          No. If Sherman's movement had been successful in carrying Vicksburg or causing Pemberton to abandon Grenada, then Grant would have followed Pemberton closely and rendezvoused with Sherman on the Yazoo at some point. However, Sherman's movement failed to do either.

          > Please enlighten us.

          Done. Any other questions? :D
        • Tony
          ... Grant intended to use his entire force to move on Jackson via Grenada. Halleck, Lincoln, and McClernand conspired to divert a large portion of Grant s
          Message 4 of 6 , Dec 2, 2009
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            --- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald black" <rblack0981@...> wrote:
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            > Grant intended for his forces to advance through the center
            > of the state down towards Vicksburg and Sherman's forces forces
            > to approach Vicksburg from the Mississippi river.

            Grant intended to use his entire force to move on Jackson via Grenada. Halleck, Lincoln, and McClernand conspired to divert a large portion of Grant's force down the river.


            > Both Grant and Sherman tried repeated attacks, when repulsed,
            > they shifted to another route.
            > Ron

            Actually, Grant suggested moving south of the city when he landed at Milliken's Bend in January. The Lake Providence canal was actually part of that plan, and succeeded in opening a route to the Red River. However, the war department failed to provide Grant with the small river transports needed to take advantage of that route.
          • Tony
            ... The article suggests that Grant concocted the Chickasaw Bayou scheme as a way to subvert McClernand, without analyzing the bumbling and backstabbing by
            Message 5 of 6 , Dec 3, 2009
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              --- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "carlw4514" <carlw4514@...> wrote:
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              > if this is two different versions of intentions etc, what does the magazine article seem to say?
              >

              The article suggests that Grant concocted the Chickasaw Bayou scheme as a way to subvert McClernand, without analyzing the bumbling and backstabbing by Lincoln, Halleck, and McClernand.

              The blame for Chickasaw Bayou needs to be evenly distributed between Lincoln, McClernand, and Halleck. Lincoln, for micro-managing the campaign for Vicksburg and for allowing McClernand to ignore the chain of command. Halleck, for failing to inform Grant of the political parameters that should determine his actions, and for allowing Grant to get halfway to Vicksburg before telling him "go no farther." McClernand for scheming to win an independent command.
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