Re: Bobrick, at face value:
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "jack" <jlawrence@...> wrote:
>I think you are wrong. I think the historic records agree with me.
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> From: "William H Keene" <wh_keene@...>
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> Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Bobrick, at face value:
> > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "jack" <jlawrence@> wrote:
> >> ...
> >> They no longer existed as a military force.
> >> Did they?
> >They did.
> Not on Jan. 20th, 1862.
> They no longer existed as a military force and did until they wereWhats with the 'reconstituted'?
> reconstituted into, asyou popinted out earlier, Johnston's reorganized
> These boys didn't just pull back, some of them ran all the way toI doubt any of them ran to Murfreesboro. Some of them did run toward Knoxville. Straggling and desertion wasnt unique to this force and those that ran were from a few of the regiments that were from eastern Tennessee -- didnt effect the whole force.
> ... It was disintergration of a force that left Midle TennesseeSounds like you just prefer to imagine history rather than have it be based on source material. Middle Tennessee was not wide open (note how Thomas decided he could not advance in that direction, and instead went back the way he had come); Kentucky was already lost to the CSA; Mill Springs didnt pave the way for Donelson; and I dont see what pattern you are talking about.
> wide open, lost Kentucky and
> paved the way for Donelso and Henry-and set a pattern for the war in the
> west of linear defeat that didn't stop unti the Georgia border. Sounds like
> obliteration to me.
> They were not a military f rce when they fled. they wee combat neffectivNot true, as far as the south was concerned.
> and, as ar as the soputh was cncerned, they were obliterated from the order
> of battle.
> They had ceased to exist as a military force.Again, not true.
> You know, they buned their transport to avoid pursuit.Right -- a good move to keep Thomas from capturing the boats.
> An opposed river crossing is probably the most dfficult problem aNo river crossing was attempted, since Thomas decided it was impossible to do.
> commander might face. They were incapable of even opposing it.
> ... They didn'tThe marched away because there was no point in staying. They needed to reach a new base, as Crittenden wrote "the want of commissary stores compelled me at once to move to Gainesborough".
> run because they were cowards. They ran because hey were whipped and had no
> fight left.
- --- In email@example.com, Bob Taubman <rtaubman@...> wrote:
>As evidenced by the claim that an enemy army was obliterated at Mill Springs.
> What are "Thomas fan definitions"?
By those definitions, I would say that McPherson obliterated a Confederate army at Raymond.