Re: Stragglers and refugees at Shiloh
- Thank you for that information. The swamp certainly
sounds large enough to create problems. Rather reminds me of my golf
game: a heckuva way to ruin a nice walk.-----Dan
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> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Ronald black" <rblack0981@>
> > On the morning of the first day, April 6th, it was a rain swollen
> morass, much wider than its normal limits. It was this swamp that
> broke up Cleburne's attack and not the union defenders. It also
> caused difficulty for Ponds brigade to the west and delayed his
> brigade from getting on the high ground for its fight with
> brigade. Anderson's brigade followed Cleburne and his advance wasShiloh
> delayed and disrupted although he got through it because the union
> defenders had been pushed back.
> > Ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: keeno2@
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> > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Stragglers and refugees at
> > In a message dated 5/18/2006 11:27:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
> DanGiallo@ writes:
> > Just out of my curiosity, does anyone know the size of
> > that swamp?----Dan
> > Dan: The exact dimensions are unknown to me, but walking across
> (by paved road, of course) gives you an idea of its enormity. TheEast
> Branch of the Shiloh Branch to Owl Creek arises near Barnes Field.It
> proceeds roughly west, creating a fairly deep wooded ravine justsouth
> of the Shiloh Meeting House, and flattens out into swamp about whereCleburn
> it crosses Highway 22 until it reaches Owl Creek. In the area
> needed to cross to get at Sherman's right, I'd place it at roughly acontour
> mile. Even where the Branch is not yet "swamp," it is a formidable
> obstacle to infantry -- maintaining formation would have been
> extremely difficult for seasoned troops, let alone green ones.
> > Ken
> The estimate of a mile seems far greater than what a look at a
> map suggests. See:z=16&n=3888274.00008052&e=376207.999998723&datum=nad83
> I'm not sure that link will get you there exactly, but looking at
> Topozone.com's map of Shiloh Branch makes it appear that, until it
> hits the Owl Creek bottoms, the branch's bottom is about 1/5 mile
> across at its widest.
I'll answer my own remark. On the second day after rebs were
withdrawn from front line positions. Forrest stated (Yes Mr.
Huddeleston I can verify), "Only God can save that Fort".
Donnelson not only was more than a bust for the Sesesh, it kept
Grant around. To the southern chagrin later on.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "pvtjessett" <pw541301@...>
> Just my own opine, but I believe the Western Boys, a tad more "war
> like" (standard of living-frontier) then the blue fellowes had
> seen anything like them (Western Rebs) before. To say they were
> spooked may explain there hiding under the river bank, been there,
> small place for 5,000 plus.
> Donelson, Forrest considered the place right off the bat. but was
> the only person to "lead" troops away ( Lick Creek )
> I Quit.
> --- In email@example.com, Stanley Balsky <balsky@>
> > A bit more experienced than the armed mobs at first
> > Manassas.
> > Stan
> > --- keeno2@ wrote:
> > > In a message dated 6/1/2006 11:57:03 AM Central
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > melchizedek22@ writes:
> > > I think one thing that has not been said,about
> > > Shiloh,is they
> > > were two armys,with very little training at the
> > > time,which really
> > > means two armed mobs. And Generals who really were
> > > Captains,learning
> > > to be Generals on the job.Its a wonder more didn't
> > > run,and that both
> > > sides did as good as they did. BvT
> > > two
> > > Ditto! It is also amazing that a fight of such
> > > magnitude actually occurred,
> > > and that both sides performed so well. Shiloh should
> > > have mirrored 1st
> > > Manassas. It didn't. Hmmmm? Western boys!
> > > Ken
> > >
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