Re: Stragglers and refugees at Shiloh
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "josepharose" <josepharose@...>
> --- In email@example.com, "Ronald black" <rblack0981@>
> > On the morning of the first day, April 6th, it was a rain swollen
> morass, much wider than its normal limits. It was this swamp that
> broke up Cleburne's attack and not the union defenders. It also
> caused difficulty for Ponds brigade to the west and delayed his
> brigade from getting on the high ground for its fight with
> brigade. Anderson's brigade followed Cleburne and his advance wasShiloh
> delayed and disrupted although he got through it because the union
> defenders had been pushed back.
> > Ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: keeno2@
> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Stragglers and refugees at
> > In a message dated 5/18/2006 11:27:41 AM Central Daylight Time,
> DanGiallo@ writes:
> > Just out of my curiosity, does anyone know the size of
> > that swamp?----Dan
> > Dan: The exact dimensions are unknown to me, but walking across
> (by paved road, of course) gives you an idea of its enormity. TheEast
> Branch of the Shiloh Branch to Owl Creek arises near Barnes Field.It
> proceeds roughly west, creating a fairly deep wooded ravine justsouth
> of the Shiloh Meeting House, and flattens out into swamp about whereCleburn
> it crosses Highway 22 until it reaches Owl Creek. In the area
> needed to cross to get at Sherman's right, I'd place it at roughly acontour
> mile. Even where the Branch is not yet "swamp," it is a formidable
> obstacle to infantry -- maintaining formation would have been
> extremely difficult for seasoned troops, let alone green ones.
> > Ken
> The estimate of a mile seems far greater than what a look at a
> map suggests. See:z=16&n=3888274.00008052&e=376207.999998723&datum=nad83
>I think one thing that has not been said,about Shiloh,is they
> I'm not sure that link will get you there exactly, but looking at
> Topozone.com's map of Shiloh Branch makes it appear that, until it
> hits the Owl Creek bottoms, the branch's bottom is about 1/5 mile
> across at its widest.
were two armys,with very little training at the time,which really
means two armed mobs. And Generals who really were Captains,learning
to be Generals on the job.Its a wonder more didn't run,and that both
sides did as good as they did. BvT
I'll answer my own remark. On the second day after rebs were
withdrawn from front line positions. Forrest stated (Yes Mr.
Huddeleston I can verify), "Only God can save that Fort".
Donnelson not only was more than a bust for the Sesesh, it kept
Grant around. To the southern chagrin later on.
--- In email@example.com, "pvtjessett" <pw541301@...>
> Just my own opine, but I believe the Western Boys, a tad more "war
> like" (standard of living-frontier) then the blue fellowes had
> seen anything like them (Western Rebs) before. To say they were
> spooked may explain there hiding under the river bank, been there,
> small place for 5,000 plus.
> Donelson, Forrest considered the place right off the bat. but was
> the only person to "lead" troops away ( Lick Creek )
> I Quit.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Stanley Balsky <balsky@>
> > A bit more experienced than the armed mobs at first
> > Manassas.
> > Stan
> > --- keeno2@ wrote:
> > > In a message dated 6/1/2006 11:57:03 AM Central
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > melchizedek22@ writes:
> > > I think one thing that has not been said,about
> > > Shiloh,is they
> > > were two armys,with very little training at the
> > > time,which really
> > > means two armed mobs. And Generals who really were
> > > Captains,learning
> > > to be Generals on the job.Its a wonder more didn't
> > > run,and that both
> > > sides did as good as they did. BvT
> > > two
> > > Ditto! It is also amazing that a fight of such
> > > magnitude actually occurred,
> > > and that both sides performed so well. Shiloh should
> > > have mirrored 1st
> > > Manassas. It didn't. Hmmmm? Western boys!
> > > Ken
> > >
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