Re: Why I prefer the Civil War in the West over the East
- I think we all need to remember that the victors
write the history of the war. Had the Union been defeated, who knows
which general would've taken Tecumseh's place?-----Dan
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "oneplez" <oneplez@y...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "William H Keene"
> > > > I don't see that criticizing Sherman is much in vogue. I
> > be
> > > > the only one doing it.
> > >
> > > Hey, what about me?
> > Exactly my reaction -- Don, have you met Joe? In fact from my
> > observation, criticizing Sherman is widespread.
> Yes Mr Keene, I Know Joe very well.
> And as of the last several comments on this thread, most imply an
> admiration of Sherman, based mostly on march to the sea and then to
> Raleigh. Which in my opinion, just were'nt worth two hoots in you
> where. Then they create the myth of Sherman's greatness based on
> suppositions that this was a great military event and that it
> nebulous loss of morale. As I pointed out, Sherman never won a
> and his "Atlanta Campaign" was full of errors.
> In addition, how many of the contributors to this site have shown
> beliefs that Sherman was way overated?
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Bill Gower" <billgower@c...>
> But he did not let it affect how he fought or his decision to march
> sea and through the Carolinas. IMHO, Sherman did not pull anypunches or
> work less to defeat the South because of his views. In fairness toSherman,
> when Stanton asked the black leaders of Savannah of their opinionof him,
> after he had left the room, they gave high praise to Sherman andconsidered
> him a friend and a gentleman. Again I don't like the racist viewsof
> Sherman, but I don't have to like his racist views to respect himas a
> military leaders and a great strategist.I never said his racist reputation affected his military reputation!
I said they were both bad!!!!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: email@example.com
> Behalf Of josepharosewrote:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:58 PM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Sherman's racism
> --- In email@example.com, "Bill Gower" <billgower@c...>
> >South of
> > I am not saying that it is unfair. I am saying that if you remove
> all Union
> > generals who were racists and who were not fighting to rid the
> > slavery, the Union army would have been ruled by a couple ofmilitary
> privates from
> > Massachusetts. Ok that's an exaggeration, but IMHO a good majority
> of union
> > soldiers started the war as racists and then as they saw the
> conditions of
> > slavery began to rethink their views. I do have a problem with
> Sherman and
> > racism but fortunately he didn't let racism get in the way of
> fighting the
> > South and wanting to restore the Union. I will not judge his
> > career by whether he was a racist or not. If that's the case,what
> can begenerals
> > said about Custer and Sheridan?
> > Bill
> But Mr. Gower, I just indicated below that Sherman *did* let his
> racism directly detract from the war effort by his contravening
> administration policy.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: firstname.lastname@example.org
> [mailto:email@example.com] On
> > Behalf Of josepharose
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:53 PM
> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Subject: [civilwarwest] Sherman's racism
> > --- In email@example.com, "Bill Gower" <billgower@c...>
> > >
> > > Sherman was no more a racist than a lot of other generals in the
> > > Frank Blair and Jefferson C. Davis were good examples of
> > that werehave been
> > > racisst. The majority of Americans, north and south, would
> > > considered "racist" by today's standards. I too, have a problemby
> > with the
> > > racism of Sherman but then I am trying to judge him and others
> > today'sthe
> > > standards. I am not saying that racism is right or that he was
> > right for
> > > it. I am just saying that through years of indoctrination by
> > plantermajority of
> > > party of the South and by the Democrats of the day, the
> > > Americans were racists. Fortunately Generals were not chosenthan the
> because of
> > > racial beliefs or the North would have had a hard time fielding
> > armies with
> > > generals.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > Although you may think it unfair to discuss Sherman's racism in
> > detail, I think that it was worse than you indicate and worse
> > average Union general.Sherman
> > I don't have the details from the ORs, but as I understand it,
> > contravened the administration's orders on Black enlistmentbecause of
> > his feelings on the subject. I can't think of any other generalswho
> > let their racist feelings do that.
> > Joseph
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