- ... Yes Mr Keene, I Know Joe very well. And as of the last several comments on this thread, most imply an admiration of Sherman, based mostly on march to theMessage 1 of 198 , Jan 2, 2006View Source--- In email@example.com, "William H Keene" <wh_keene@y...>
>Yes Mr Keene, I Know Joe very well.
> > > I don't see that criticizing Sherman is much in vogue. I seem to
> > > the only one doing it.
> > Hey, what about me?
> Exactly my reaction -- Don, have you met Joe? In fact from my
> observation, criticizing Sherman is widespread.
And as of the last several comments on this thread, most imply an
admiration of Sherman, based mostly on march to the sea and then to
Raleigh. Which in my opinion, just were'nt worth two hoots in you know
where. Then they create the myth of Sherman's greatness based on their
suppositions that this was a great military event and that it created a
nebulous loss of morale. As I pointed out, Sherman never won a battle
and his "Atlanta Campaign" was full of errors.
In addition, how many of the contributors to this site have shown the
beliefs that Sherman was way overated?
- ... to the ... punches or ... Sherman, ... of him, ... considered ... of ... as a ... I never said his racist reputation affected his military reputation! IMessage 198 of 198 , Jan 11, 2006View Source--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Bill Gower" <billgower@c...>
> But he did not let it affect how he fought or his decision to march
> sea and through the Carolinas. IMHO, Sherman did not pull anypunches or
> work less to defeat the South because of his views. In fairness toSherman,
> when Stanton asked the black leaders of Savannah of their opinionof him,
> after he had left the room, they gave high praise to Sherman andconsidered
> him a friend and a gentleman. Again I don't like the racist viewsof
> Sherman, but I don't have to like his racist views to respect himas a
> military leaders and a great strategist.I never said his racist reputation affected his military reputation!
I said they were both bad!!!!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: email@example.com
> Behalf Of josepharosewrote:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:58 PM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Sherman's racism
> --- In email@example.com, "Bill Gower" <billgower@c...>
> >South of
> > I am not saying that it is unfair. I am saying that if you remove
> all Union
> > generals who were racists and who were not fighting to rid the
> > slavery, the Union army would have been ruled by a couple ofmilitary
> privates from
> > Massachusetts. Ok that's an exaggeration, but IMHO a good majority
> of union
> > soldiers started the war as racists and then as they saw the
> conditions of
> > slavery began to rethink their views. I do have a problem with
> Sherman and
> > racism but fortunately he didn't let racism get in the way of
> fighting the
> > South and wanting to restore the Union. I will not judge his
> > career by whether he was a racist or not. If that's the case,what
> can begenerals
> > said about Custer and Sheridan?
> > Bill
> But Mr. Gower, I just indicated below that Sherman *did* let his
> racism directly detract from the war effort by his contravening
> administration policy.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: firstname.lastname@example.org
> [mailto:email@example.com] On
> > Behalf Of josepharose
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:53 PM
> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Subject: [civilwarwest] Sherman's racism
> > --- In email@example.com, "Bill Gower" <billgower@c...>
> > >
> > > Sherman was no more a racist than a lot of other generals in the
> > > Frank Blair and Jefferson C. Davis were good examples of
> > that werehave been
> > > racisst. The majority of Americans, north and south, would
> > > considered "racist" by today's standards. I too, have a problemby
> > with the
> > > racism of Sherman but then I am trying to judge him and others
> > today'sthe
> > > standards. I am not saying that racism is right or that he was
> > right for
> > > it. I am just saying that through years of indoctrination by
> > plantermajority of
> > > party of the South and by the Democrats of the day, the
> > > Americans were racists. Fortunately Generals were not chosenthan the
> because of
> > > racial beliefs or the North would have had a hard time fielding
> > armies with
> > > generals.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > Although you may think it unfair to discuss Sherman's racism in
> > detail, I think that it was worse than you indicate and worse
> > average Union general.Sherman
> > I don't have the details from the ORs, but as I understand it,
> > contravened the administration's orders on Black enlistmentbecause of
> > his feelings on the subject. I can't think of any other generalswho
> > let their racist feelings do that.
> > Joseph
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