Re: Union Artillery
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Donald Pontious
> Canister on a 6pdr was 27 -1" diameter steel balls. Canister on ainch
> 12pdr was 27- 1&1/2 inch diameter steel balls. Grape shot was 2
> diameter steel balls. The 12pdr was the prefered gun for canister.As an artillery gunner, would you have referred to or used grape at
> Don, who reenacts with a artillery unit
anytime during the war or was it always referred to as canister and
been of the smaller caliber?
> On 5/2/05, Jeff <jblake47@y...> wrote:
> > I've been following along with this discussion and wanted to get
> > the info absorbed before jumping in.purposes
> > All field artillery batteries had a limber equipped with:
> > solid shot
> > shell (hollow ball filled with powder)
> > case shot (hollow ball filled with powder and small balls)
> > canister
> > Observations
> > All types of shot and shell were used by the artillery for the
> > various purposes for which they were designed, and some for
> > not designed, i.e. firing case shot with no fuse so it wouldexplode
> > in the barrel and be ejected in a canister like manner againstclose
> > infantry when the canister rounds were not available.pieces to
> > Solid shot - good to take out wheels on opposing artillery
> > make them immoble and easier to capture. Same for the wheels onthe
> > supply wagons. Also good for enflade fire on a line of infantry.troops
> > With the ball's inertia going down the line, a large number of
> > could be killed or injured with just one round.splinters,
> > Shell - Good for concussion, into woods to shrapnel wood
> > into the ground in front of charging cavalry, etc. More of anusance
> > round, but extremely unnerving.being
> > Case shot - same as above but with a mean bite instead of just
> > a loud nusance. Exploding 10' over the heads of an infantry lineof
> > will definitely give notice.
> > Both shell and case shot were dependent upon fuses. The
> > effectiveness of the fuses depended on the knowledge of the
> > cannoneer, his ability to judge distance, calculation on length
> > fuse, accuracy of fuse cut and whether or not the fuse ignited.The
> > ingnition rate was about 97%.4X's the
> > Obviously the case shot balls were of a small size.
> > Canister shot was 1.0 caliber or 1" in diameter, which was 3-
> > size of an infantryman's minnie ball, which varied from .54 - .69used
> > generally for the common majority of weapons.
> > "Canister" shot larger than 1.0 caliber were really grape shot
> > in naval guns to strip ships of their rigging. The balls neededto
> > be bigger to affect a more damaging effect on a more solid targetbag
> > than flesh and bone.
> > Canister could be double charged with or without second powder
> > with no ill-effect. When underfire, stripping the second bag offwas
> > wasn't really of major concern as was getting the gun loaded.
> > Triple canister will flip the gun over as was the case when it
> > tried at Gettysburg, Day three against Pickett's men.do
> > The firing effect of a battery of 6 guns using canister is the
> > equivelent of a regiment of infantry (1,000 men) If you wish to
> > the math on that, please figure in that with the size andvelocity of
> > the canister ball, it did in fact hit more than one man.gun
> > One must also consider the fact that firing canister in a rifled
> > will put out a donut shaped pattern so as to have men directly intheir
> > front of the gun getting missed by the projectiles but those to
> > right and left were hit. Smoothbores maintained thenormal "shotgun"
> > type of pattern and were far more effective.much.
> > Jeff
> > --- In email@example.com, "Dick Weeks" <shotgun@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > You are probably right about case shot not being used that
> > Since it was a fused shot, and fuses were not that reliable tobegin
> > with, it was of little benefit against a foe who was moving(opening
> > or closing the distance). However, if you caught them trying tohold
> > a position, it was extremely effective up to about 1500 yards.Of
> > course I am sure there are many that there are many in this groupelement
> > that know more about it than I do. I am somewhat out of my
> > trying to intelligently discuss Civil War weapons.forces. It
> > >
> > > I am, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
> > > Dick (a.k.a. Shotgun)
> > > http://www.civilwarhome.com
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: keeno2@a...
> > > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 9:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Union Artillery
> > >
> > >
> > > Read somewhere that cased shot was rarely used by land
> > was either shot, shell, or canister. Might have to take thatback.
> > The 1863 CS Ordnance Manual specifies 20 spherical case rounds(out
> > of 50) for a 6-pounder, but only 8 (out of 32) for a 12#.12#
> > Understandably, the number goes back up to 20 (out of 39) for a
> > howitzer.a
> > >
> > > And yes, 27 iron balls in canister would be much larger than
> > Minie ball.-----
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- On 5/3/05, hank9174 <clarkc@...> wrote:
> >A Napoleon is a 12pdr, period, not a 6pdr or 20 pdr. The term "12pdr"
> > Hmmm, that's strange, I always thought the term Napolean meant the
> > style of gun, not it's caliber. I could have even bet that the 6#
> > Napolean was also a common gun on the field.
> The Napoleon style (stubby bronze tubes) did not scale well. A 12
> pounder is an incredibly heavy load.
> There are 20-lb Parrotts, which are rifled, but no 20-lb Napoleons
> which are smoothbores...
refers to the weight of the solid shot that the smooth bore cannon