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  • James L. Choron
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    Message 1 of 34 , Sep 2, 2004
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      > Harry,
      > That is exactly what I was saying. Anti-semitism and anti-catholocism was
      > not "institutionalized" or "organized" at the time of the Civil War. It
      > individual. But... on an individual level it was wide-spread, and ran the
      > gauntlet from vitrulent hatred to mile dislike and distrust. Rosecrans is
      > classic example of this.
      > I do not believe that Grant was a biggot, at least not deliberately, or
      > maliciously so. I belive that his order simply reflected the climate of
      > times and a general distrust of anyone or anything "foreign" or "other".
      > The same thing can be said in the Confederacy with regard to the opinions,
      > which varried widely, of J.P. Benjamin. He was generally respected for his
      > ability, but in many quarters he was generally held suspect and
      > if not outright disliked in spite of his obvious ability. Once again, this
      > was not institutionalized or organized, it was on a personal and
      > level, but nevertheless widespread.
      > I firmly believe that Benjamin fled the country after the war because he
      > genuinely feared for his life. While both he and Davis were accused of
      > involved in the plot against Linclon, I think Benjamin realized that while
      > it would have been politically inexpedient to hang Davis (which proved to
      > a correct analyssis), hanging him would have caused no great uproar and
      > would have provided the Radical Republicans with a convenient target for
      > punishing the Confederate Government.
      > If one looks at the Wirz case, it is obvious that Henry Wirz was hanged
      > his Catholocism and his foreign birth as much as for any attrocities that
      > committed or might have committed. He was not the Commandant of
      > Andersonville, however, the actual Commandant, whose name escapes me as I
      > write this, was a more dangerous and well connected "target" for any
      > Like Davis, people would have rallied to him, whereas Wirz was not
      > particularly well liked by anyone, simply becaus of his aloof character
      > foreign mannerisms... as well as his religion... and had no real
      > The fact that both Anti-Semitism and Anti-Catholocism did become
      > instutionalized and organized within a few years of the War's end prove
      > both existed, and that both existed to the extent that this
      > institutioalization and organization was possible.Certainly it was
      > by the mass of immigrants pouring into the country after the War, but this
      > was simply an augmentation of existing views.
      > Jim
      > "Truth, crushed to the ground, shall rise again".
      > -- Governor Earl K. Long of Louisiana --
      > "People are always telling me to "give 'em Hell"...
      > I don't have to. I just tell the truth, and most of
      > 'em think it's Hell.
      > -- President Harry S. Truman --
    • Bob Huddleston
      In addition, the Ammens lived up on the square in Georgetown and Jake got Grant interested in going to college. And becoming a math professor. Take care, Bob
      Message 34 of 34 , Sep 3, 2004
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        In  addition, the Ammens lived up on the square in Georgetown and Jake got Grant interested in going to college. And becoming a math professor.
        Take care,


        Judy and Bob Huddleston
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        From: Martin Williams [mailto:williams484@...]
        Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:59 PM
        To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Political generals

        Jacob Ammen graduated from West Point in 1831, was assigned to the Artillery, and resigned from the Army in 1837.  For much of that time he was detailed to West Point as a math instructor.  As such, he arranged for his younger brother Daniel to sit in on some classes to prepare for the midshipman's entrance examination in the Navy (Daniel finished up as a rear admiral).  Jacob spent must of his civilian career before the war as a college professor and the rest of it as a civil engineer. 
        Federal generals who had first been Army officers and then politicians included Fremont, Ryan, Stevens and Dix.  The only Rebel I can think of at the moment who was in the same situation was Withers.
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:12 AM
        Subject: [civilwarwest] Political generals

        Theres a new work, "War Within the Union High Command"
        by Thomas Goss that discusses political generals in
        some detail.  The crux of his thesis is that political
        generals were excellent at enhancing enlistment and
        keeping up the faith to the folks at home, but most
        were less than stellar.  Interestingly, he also shows
        that some knew their limitations.

        Jacob Amman, a childhood freind of Grant, was also
        politically appointed without military training, as
        were all but one of his division commanders at Shiloh.

        But then again, Grant owed his commission to Elihu
        Wasburne, not to a steady sucession in rank.  To say
        that Grant was "bigoted" against political generals is
        thus ridiculous, since practically all of them were
        politically appointed.  He did have a problem,
        however, with incompetence.

        John D. Beatty, Milwaukee Wisconsin
        "History is the only test for the consequences of ideas"

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