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Re: [civilwarwest] Does the South care, etc.

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  • Michael McKinnon
    One would be hard pressed to find a courthouse square in Georgia without a monument to those in Confederate service. One interesting one is in Gainsville, Ga.
    Message 1 of 2 , Aug 23, 2004
      One would be hard pressed to find a courthouse square in Georgia without a monument to those in Confederate service.  One interesting one is in Gainsville, Ga. called "Old Joe".  The monument was put up in 1909.  There was not enough money to have a statue created originally, but they found a statue of a Spanish-American war era veteran and used that.  Old Joe faces north, to defend the square against foes coming south.

      "Laurence D. Schiller" <LDS307@...> wrote:
      Greetings Tracy:

            I fear I may tread on thin ice as regards the moderators
      here, but let me just say that 'the history of writing the history'
      of the Civil War is rather complicated and is bound up very much in
      revising what the war was all about and now, revising it back again.
      Far from the 'victors' writing the history of the war, in this case,
      it was the losers who controlled how the war came to be interpreted
      and regarded. Your very comment that 'Southerners have the right to
      their heritage' and then in the next breath talk about
      African-Americans as though their history is separate from 'Southern
      history' or to suggest that Southern heritage = confederate heritage,
      thus ignoring 100,000 white southerners from seceded states that
      fought against the Confederacy, is indicative of the very problem you
      are talking about. All of these Confederate symbols have become tied
      up with modern and racial politics and the reasons most people employ
      them has little to do with the actual Civil War. And therein lies the
      problem. Personally, I'd be happy to have the Confederate Naval Jack
      (actually I would prefer the 1st national - the real 'stars and
      bars') flying from the Confederate monument on the SC capital grounds
      when and if the state builds a monument on those same grounds to
      honor the 1st and 2nd SC Colored troops and flies a 35 star American
      flag on it. But, this isn't about honoring CW soldiers, is it. And
      that is really the problem. Well, I'd better leave it there as we are
      moving into modern issues and not the War in the West.


      Laurie Schiller

      P.S. Tracy - you will find Confederate monuments in towns all across
      the south. I don't think you will find that Northern towns are unique
      in that respect.

      At 6:25 PM +0000 8/23/04, civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com wrote:
      >Thanks so much for the replies...as a transplanted Arkansan, I do
      >not know much about the battle fields of Ohio but I do know that
      >many Pennsylvanians have high regard for their soldiers and
      >Generals..many towns that were home to Union generals have memorials
      >dedicated to them and often have dates to commemorate them. Even in
      >Ohio, I have encountered many statues standing in small town squares
      >commemorating the Union if nothing else. A small town nearby where I
      >live has a population of about 600 and in the middle of the square
      >there is a statue dedicated to the Union.
      >I also realize that funding back in the day was limited or non-
      >extistent for the post war South but I was talking more about the
      >feeling of the people toward their heritage.
      >Case in point, during a recent visit home to Arkansas, all the rage
      >for young people was to have some sort of Confederate rememberances
      >such as flags, belt buckles, t-shirts, licenses plates etc...and of
      >course they were running into the problem of these items not being
      >allowed at school. At first this upset me because, Southerner's have
      >their right to their hertiage, the same as African-Americans, but
      >upon questioning some of the youths I knew (who wore complete
      >ensembles around the home depicting especially the battle flag)to my
      >surprise none knew the significance of the symbols...of the brave
      >men who defended and gave their lives for the battle flag...It was
      >just "cool" and seemed to provoke people.
      >They knew very little about the Civil War or even who Robert E. Lee
      >was (much less Joesph Johnston). The only thing they knew about
      >Gettysburg is that it was the place where the South lost the Civil
      >War and all the slaves were freed.
      >I guess what I'm trying to express here is that there seems to be an
      >apathy amoung most Southerners concerning battlefields, generals,
      >and even facts. As someone said in a previous post " The South lost
      >and many seem to want to forget about it"
      >Please realize I am not talking about those on this board or the
      >many who are students of American History.
      >Are we really programmed into the old adage that history is written
      >by the victors and few seem to care to find the truth? Are we
      >destined to let these historical sites simply vanish away, just like
      >much of our Southern heritage because its not politically correct.
      >Sorry for the rant..again thanks for the input...I do not in any way
      >claim to "know it all"..I have learned much from these past posts
      >Kindest Regards,

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