Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Questions on Shiloh
>I think Sid Johnston was in a pretty tough spot inMarch 1862. Given the options available to him, I
think attacking Grant before he linked up with Buell
(and eventually Pope), was the best one.
I think choosing a place to make a stand with
numerical parity between Corinth and Pittsburg Landing
would have made a lot more sense. It was by no means
inevitable in 1862 that the Union would be able to
turn a strong position.
>Sitting back and waiting to be beseiged in Corinthwas, IMHO, merely awaiting inevitable defeat.
But that wasn't nessesary, either. With the
advantages on the side of the defense, especially if
Van Dorn showed up, there was little chance for a
sucessful Federal advance that spring.
>By attacking, he had at least a chance to recoverwhat had been lost in the previous two months, not
just in terms of territory, but in terms of ASJ's once
Not a great deal of chance for that. That would mean
fighting three battles (minimum) at near parity in
that barren wilderness with lousy logistics and no
control of the rivers, and on short rations, to boot.
I'd have to say that Johnston may have prevailed once,
maybe broke even the second time, but a third fight,
against Pope and whatever was left.....I don't see it.
>One of my pet 98% foundation-free theories is thatSid was going to defest the Bluecoats, or die trying.
Either way, he goes from goat to hero.
From what little we know of Johnston that's probably a
fair assessment. He was give a real bag of scatology
and expected to do miracles of fishes and loaves with
it. I don't think anyone really expected a great
deal, especially not Johnston.
John D. Beatty, Milwaukee Wisconsin
"History is the only test for the consequences of ideas"
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The British navy had two main problems going right up the
1) the sandbars at the mouth of the river precluded the larger
warships from entering the river, so only smaller warships could be
used in any attack on Fort St. Philip (which is what happened, and
they were repulsed). The sandbars were normally dredged during peace
time, but during both the War of 1812, and the ACW, the blockade
caused dredging to be suspended (at least until N.O. was captured).
2) the British ships could ONLY rely on wind power, so once past the
sandbars, the wind had to be just right to make their way upriver
against the current. The British command estimated at least a week
to travel the 100 miles upstream to the fort.
Farragut's advantage, obviously, was steam power. His ships got
through the sandbars by literally ramming them over and over until
they broke through. Even so, the "Colorado" (Farragut's largest
ship) could not get into the river. Also, when the forts were
passed, the U.S. ships could travel faster against the current, which
meant less time under the guns of the forts. Without that added
advantage, IMO he would have been blasted back.
I highly recommend an excellent book, "The War of 1812" by John K.
Mahon. It is concise (386 pgs of text, 60 pgs of notes and
bibliography), yet a quite detailed account of the entire war for
anyone who is interested in finding out more about this relatively
unknown and fascinating era of our past.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "carlw4514" <carlw4514@y...>
> . . . neither the Brits or the Yankees seemed to have contemplated
> this for the assault on these forts. It seems to me that the forts
> were first to be blasted into rubble before the infantry could
> finish the job, as far as the Brits were concerned or as far as the
> original Union plan went. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions.
> -- In 27927, "hartshje" <Hartshje@a...> wrote:
> > Carl,
> > I really don't think the forts had any effect on Butler's
> > landing. I believe it was assumed by just about everybody
> > (except Farragut) that the forts would have to be put out of
> > commission before the navy could go upriver. That was going to
> > be Butler's job if Porter's mortars weren't successful (which
> > they weren't). Farragut seems to be the only one who believed
> > they could "run" the gauntlet, making the forts pretty useless.
> > It would be interesting to know if Farragut really knew how close
> > the Rebs were to getting the "Louisiana" & "Mississippi" up and
> > running, or if he just wanted to prove the navy could do it on
> > their own.
> Have trolled a bit and found nothing to indicate exactly what his
> intel on this might have been. At
> there are some reports on worrisome developments of rebel Ironclads
> at N.O. that might find their way upriver, but nothing in the way
> of what Farragut might have known just before attacking. Farragut
> could be a bit impulsive, I think, but there is no reason to think
> he would have wanted to contend with the forts and then tangle with
> a Reb navy that had anything close to equity. I have to think the
> Union Intel had the skinny.