Re: Longstreet and the AOT
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, LWhite64@a... wrote:
> Also, as to the no Franklin, never say never, there was a certainExactly so Lee, but it was supposed to be a surprise attack in the
> attack against a heavily fortified position just outside the town
> of Knoxville, that was made despite the protests of subordinates
> that were aware of how strong the position was.
early morning darkness over only 120 yards of open ground. The
confusion and noise of stumbling about in those telegraph wires
alerted the Yanks. To his credit, Longstreet called an end to the
affair as soon as it was an obvious failure, rather than continuing
to order massed, suicidal assualts. (Ironic that the defender here
was the same Burnside of Fredericksburg).
- With all due respect, James, I think you have this slightly wrong.
Pemberton was a lieutenant general in search of a command. He had
been paroled after the surrender of Vicksburg, and awaiting
The record is pretty clear that Davis toyed with the idea of putting
Pemberton in place of Polk, and it's pretty obvious this was one more
example of Davis being totally out of touch with the Twilight Zone
that operated west of the Allegheny Mountains.
Davis went west with the intention of sustaining Bragg, and hoped
he'd find the situation such that he, as President, could influence
the senior leadership in the AoT to come around to his way of
thinking. He was wrong, of course - totally misguided in his
understanding of the situation.
--- In email@example.com, "james2044" <james2044@h...>
> > What often gets lost in this, but is illustrative of how clueless
> > seemed to be about just how bad the situation was, is the fact
> that Davis
> > had brought Pemberton with him with the intent of placing him at
> the head
> > of Polks' corps. At that particular time, just months after the
> fall of
> > Vicksburg, this choice seems bizarre in an army environment in
> > everyone seemed to be questioning everyone else's fitness for
> IMO, Davis never planned on placing Pemberton in command of
> anything. However, Pemberton was even less acceptable than Bragg
> everyone. If Davis had given a choice of Bragg vs Polk, JEJ or
> Longstreet, Bragg was gone. But, if the choice is Bragg vs
> Pemberton, Bragg wins. Davis wanted Bragg in command, that was his
> choice and he didn't want to be wrong. Pemberton's feelings were a
> very small price for Davis to be right.
> Davis did everything possible to keep the truth from coming out,
> including putting Bragg in the room! Nothing worked but Pemberton.