Re: [civilwarwest] What if Johnston had replaced Pemberton at vicksburg?
- From: <tsalagibra@... writes:-
> Turning Point is generally considered as that point in a war,battle, or
> skirmish when one side gains a strategic or tactical advantage whichfar
> outweighs the corresponding loss to the other side.I can't see a loss. The Union controlled the river north and south as
well as the mouth of the river, well before Vicksburg's fall. So
Pemberton's loss only allowed ". . . the river to flow, unvexed to the
sea". This, in my mind only benefited the northerner's who disliked
paying costs of transportation over the northern rails and wanted to use
the cheaper river transportation. The Union could not perfectly
control, the entire stretch of river, even with the use of gunboats. So
if crossing the river was necessary, it only made crossing a little more
of a gamble. It seems only in the minds of the media was the
"Confederacy cut in half".
After Chattanooga, the Union forces found really large amounts of
stores, including meats, that the Confederates could not carry off, in
Bragg's warehouses in Chickamauga Station.
When Sherman made his trip to Savannah, he counted on feeding his army
off the land. Claiming that ". . . . where a million (Georgians) live,
I shall not starve", and he didn't.
When Wilson invaded Alabama, and captured Selma on April 2nd of 1865,
McCook reported upon entering the city, that he found "immense
quantities of stores of every kind". After the capture of Montgomery,
on April 12th, Upton reports the capture of "large quantities of stores
and small arms and cotton". On April 16th, 1865, now in Georgia heading
to West Point, Colonel La Grange reported the capture of Columbus with
immense quantities of small arms and stores". So much that he could'nt
When Lee retreated from Richmond, he was counting on stores being placed
on his retreat route. Only the fact that the order was not obeyed
caused his surrender. The stores were available. This was two (2)
years after Vicksburg.
> . .when the Federals regained complete and unmolested access to theMississippi > River; that when the Confederacy was divided (which, by
the way, is Step 1 in
> the classic maneuver called "divide and conquer") and had lost access(even
> mail/telegraph contact) with half of their country; I believe it wouldbe a
> fair assessment to say it was the turning point of the war. A majorthe
> objective had been gained for the Union and it's corresponding loss to
> Confederacy was overwhelming.I don't think so!
Certainly the incidents listed above don't indicate that.