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      From: civilwarwest@egroups.com [mailto:civilwarwest@egroups.com]
      Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 8:44 AM
      To: civilwarwest@egroups.com
      Subject: [civilwarwest] Digest Number 150



      There are 8 messages in this issue.

      Topics in this digest:

      1. RE: Louisiana Tigers Conference - FRI p.m.
      From: jaaah@...
      2. Re: anyone out there
      From: "D. Andrew Burden, Ph.D." <daburden@...>
      3. RE: Re: SHORT SIEGE OF FORSYTH
      From: jaaah@...
      4. RE: Louisiana Tigers Conference - FRI p.m.
      From: David Woodbury <woodbury@...>
      5. RE: anyone out there
      From: "Bob Huddleston" <adco@...>
      6. Re: anyone out there
      From: "John T. Coleman" <jtcoleman@...>
      7. Re: anyone out there
      From: "John T. Coleman" <jtcoleman@...>
      8. Re: anyone out there
      From: "John T. Coleman" <jtcoleman@...>


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      Message: 1
      Date: 27 Oct 2000 09:31:20 -0600
      From: jaaah@...
      Subject: RE: Louisiana Tigers Conference - FRI p.m.

      Hey! I tried to get in but the darn thing wanted my credit card number of
      all things! I'm certainly not letting them have that information, so how do
      I get in?

      A Confused Addison Hart


      > ** Original Subject: RE: [civilwarwest] Louisiana Tigers Conference - FRI
      p.m.
      > ** Original Sender: David Woodbury <woodbury@...>
      > ** Original Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 02:01:44 -0500

      > ** Original Message follows...

      >
      > *** Conference Announcement ***
      >
      > Topic: THE LOUISIANA TIGERS / Richard S. Ewell / & Other Topics
      > with distinguished guest: Dr. Terry Jones
      >
      > October 27 (Friday)
      > 8:30 pm to 9:30 pm (Eastern)
      > Conference Room 1
      > CompuServe Civil War Forum : http://go.compuserve.com/CivilWar
      >
      > [Note: CompuServe forums are now open free to the internet. Go to the
      > address above and hit the "Click Here" button to set up a screen name
      > and password.]
      >
      > Terry's doctoral dissertation, "Lee's Tigers: The Louisiana Infantry
      > in the Army of Northern Virginia," was published by Louisiana State
      > University Press in 1987. It won the General L. Kemper Williams Prize
      > as the best book on Louisiana History and was an alternate selection
      > of the History Book Club. In 1991 LSU Press published Terry's "The
      > Civil War Memoirs of Capt. William J. Seymour: Reminiscences of a
      > Louisiana Tiger." It also was an alternate selection by the History
      > Book Club. Terry currently is a professor of history at the
      > University of Louisiana at Monroe and has two books in the works.
      > "The
      > Civil War Memoirs of Major Campbell Brown: Service with General
      > Richard S. Ewell and the Army of Northern Virginia" will be released
      > in the fall of 2000 by LSU Press. Brown was Ewell's stepson and
      > aide, the son of the famous "Widow Brown," whom Ewell married.
      > Scarecrow Press will also be publishing "The Historical Dictionary
      > of the Civil War" by Terry in the future.
      >
      > Please join us in the Civil War Forum for a one-hour Question &
      > Answer session with Dr. Jones.
      >
      > For more information, contact:
      > David Woodbury 76710,261
      > or woodbury@...
      >
      >


      >** --------- End Original Message ----------- **

      >


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      Message: 2
      Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:39:36 -0500
      From: "D. Andrew Burden, Ph.D." <daburden@...>
      Subject: Re: anyone out there

      Along the same lines as these recent posts, I wonder about the work of
      Paddy Griffith. I've not yet read any of his works, but I have browsed
      his web site. He does not agree with the popular notion of the ACW as
      being a war of modern weapons fought with Napoleonic tactics (thus
      leading to high casualty rates). Is anyone familiar with his work? If
      I remember correctly from his website, he was not a fan of the ideas put
      forth in "Attack and Die." I believe that attributing high casualty
      rates in the ACW to outdated tactics is an oversimplification. It seems
      to me that wars are always fought with tactics from the last war, and
      those tactics are always outdated. Some (e.g. Longstreet or Guderian)
      do apparently use ideas that are before their time, but in doing so they
      are really establishing strategy and tactics appropriate for the present
      war (which will be outdated when future wars occur).
      Andy

      Wayne Oaks wrote:
      >
      > Ray,
      >
      > It is an excellent book. It reveals the tactical fallacies employed by
      the
      > "professional soldiers" (those schooled at West Point, commonly known as
      > Hudson High - school for boys). The tactics used in the Mexican War and
      > taught at West Point did not provide safety for the troops facing "modern"
      > rifled weaponry.
      >
      > When looking at how long Richmond and Petersburg were able to withstand
      the
      > partial sieges makes one wonder why Lee would not listen to Longstreet.
      > (Oops, forgive me, wrong theater.) However, the use of breast works and
      > other DEFENSIVE measures, even hastily improvised, has always provided a
      > good advantage to the defender vs. the attacker. This is not to say that
      > staying within defensive lines is always the best option (Vicksburg's fall
      > was only a matter of time given the siege conditions).
      >
      > Meeting an enemy of "known strength" in the open, preferably at a place of
      > your choosing, with an equal or superior force (Pemberton and Johnston)
      can
      > allow a field commander to defeat his split enemy in detail. The
      > Confederate shock effect at Shiloh until the death of A.S. Johnson took a
      > telling toll on the Union forces. The shock effect of A.S Johnson's death
      > perhaps prevented the Confederate forces from driving Grant's forces into
      > the Tennessee River. However, Buell's overnight arrival provided Grant
      with
      > the overwhelming advantage in numbers to push back the exhausted
      Confederate
      > forces.
      >
      > Enjoy your reading.
      >
      > Your Humble Servant,
      > radngatr, alias Wayne
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Ray Elliott" <jrayelliot@...>
      > To: <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
      > Sent: 26 October, 2000 22:25
      > Subject: [civilwarwest] anyone out there
      >
      > > Hello,
      > > I have seen anything posted since 25 October. Was wondering if there
      > > was a problem. Has anyone read ATTACK and DIE? I just picked this
      > > book up and have gotten part way through.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >


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      Message: 3
      Date: 27 Oct 2000 09:38:39 -0600
      From: jaaah@...
      Subject: RE: Re: SHORT SIEGE OF FORSYTH

      > Addison,
      >
      > Very enjoyable. Thank you for submitting it.

      Why thanks, Tip.

      >
      > Do you do much research on Missouri in the WBTS?

      Well, actually I do. Doing research for a biography on John Sappington
      Marmaduke (who started out and ended his battling days in Missouri). I'm
      just a specialist on the year 1861 in particular (mainly because nobody else
      is). 1861's always been my big interest do the the little amount of research
      done on the battles and events of that year. In most histories of the Civil
      War 1861 gets about 50 pages at the most and much of it is taken up with 1st
      Manassas. However, in my opinion, the first 'battle' of the war wasn't
      Manassas, but Carthage Missouri, July 5th, 1861.

      >
      > Shotgun has a good item on the Battle of Pilot Knob, and I
      > recently read a fine overview on this same battle from a Missouri
      > Natural Resources Bulletin. Missouri boasts of over 1000 clashes in
      > the WBTS. Third in number behind Virginia and Tennessee. I'm sure
      > they would be interested in your essay. Anyway, thanks again for the
      > Short Siege of Forsyth.
      >
      > Tip
      >
      >

      Tip:
      How would I get my essay to the Natural Resources Bulletin?

      All my best,
      Addison Hart


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      Message: 4
      Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:47:38 -0700
      From: David Woodbury <woodbury@...>
      Subject: RE: Louisiana Tigers Conference - FRI p.m.

      >At 9:31 AM -0600 10/27/00, jaaah@... wrote:
      >Hey! I tried to get in but the darn thing wanted my credit card
      >number of all things! I'm certainly not letting them have that
      >information, so how do I get in?

      Doesn't require a credit card, or any kind of personal information
      whatsoever. You go to:

      http://go.compuserve.com/CivilWar

      Scroll down to the "get your free sceen name here" and "click here"
      button -- this is for first time users. Put in a screen name, pick a
      password, and it should send you automatically to the forum. Let me
      know if you have trouble getting in.


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      Message: 5
      Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:24:48 -0600
      From: "Bob Huddleston" <adco@...>
      Subject: RE: anyone out there

      What is Paddy's web site?

      He is a tad controversial. Albert Casteel did a hilarious review of one of
      Griffith's books in, IIRC, CW History, chewing him out and spitting out the
      pieces!

      Take care,

      Bob

      JUDY AND BOB HUDDLESTON
      10643 Sperry Street
      Northglenn, CO 80234-3612
      303.451.6376 adco@...
      Fax: 303.452.3051

      Along the same lines as these recent posts, I wonder about the work of
      Paddy Griffith. I've not yet read any of his works, but I have browsed
      his web site. He does not agree with the popular notion of the ACW as
      being a war of modern weapons fought with Napoleonic tactics (thus
      leading to high casualty rates). Is anyone familiar with his work? If
      I remember correctly from his website, he was not a fan of the ideas put
      forth in "Attack and Die." I believe that attributing high casualty
      rates in the ACW to outdated tactics is an oversimplification. It seems
      to me that wars are always fought with tactics from the last war, and
      those tactics are always outdated. Some (e.g. Longstreet or Guderian)
      do apparently use ideas that are before their time, but in doing so they
      are really establishing strategy and tactics appropriate for the present
      war (which will be outdated when future wars occur).
      Andy

      Wayne Oaks wrote:
      >
      > Ray,
      >
      > It is an excellent book. It reveals the tactical fallacies employed by
      the
      > "professional soldiers" (those schooled at West Point, commonly known as
      > Hudson High - school for boys). The tactics used in the Mexican War and
      > taught at West Point did not provide safety for the troops facing "modern"
      > rifled weaponry.
      >
      > When looking at how long Richmond and Petersburg were able to withstand
      the
      > partial sieges makes one wonder why Lee would not listen to Longstreet.
      > (Oops, forgive me, wrong theater.) However, the use of breast works and
      > other DEFENSIVE measures, even hastily improvised, has always provided a
      > good advantage to the defender vs. the attacker. This is not to say that
      > staying within defensive lines is always the best option (Vicksburg's fall
      > was only a matter of time given the siege conditions).
      >
      > Meeting an enemy of "known strength" in the open, preferably at a place of
      > your choosing, with an equal or superior force (Pemberton and Johnston)
      can
      > allow a field commander to defeat his split enemy in detail. The
      > Confederate shock effect at Shiloh until the death of A.S. Johnson took a
      > telling toll on the Union forces. The shock effect of A.S Johnson's death
      > perhaps prevented the Confederate forces from driving Grant's forces into
      > the Tennessee River. However, Buell's overnight arrival provided Grant
      with
      > the overwhelming advantage in numbers to push back the exhausted
      Confederate
      > forces.
      >
      > Enjoy your reading.
      >
      > Your Humble Servant,
      > radngatr, alias Wayne
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Ray Elliott" <jrayelliot@...>
      > To: <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
      > Sent: 26 October, 2000 22:25
      > Subject: [civilwarwest] anyone out there
      >
      > > Hello,
      > > I have seen anything posted since 25 October. Was wondering if there
      > > was a problem. Has anyone read ATTACK and DIE? I just picked this
      > > book up and have gotten part way through.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >







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      Message: 6
      Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 06:44:05 -0400
      From: "John T. Coleman" <jtcoleman@...>
      Subject: Re: anyone out there

      > Along the same lines as these recent posts, I wonder about the work of
      > Paddy Griffith. I've not yet read any of his works, but I have browsed
      > his web site. He does not agree with the popular notion of the ACW as
      > being a war of modern weapons fought with Napoleonic tactics (thus
      > leading to high casualty rates). Is anyone familiar with his work?

      I've got his book "Battle Tactics of the Civil War" as well. And once
      again, it's been a while since I last read it, but IIRC, one of his
      arguments was that the greater ranges a rifled musket was capable of
      were irrelevant. He looks at the average range and duration of a Civil
      War "firefight" and comes to the conclusion that they occur around
      100-150 yards, with many engagements at less than 100 yards - typical of
      a Napoleonic firefight and well within the range of a smoothbore
      musket. This is a good point to think about, espcially in the Western
      theater, where the average ranges were even less. Of course, the
      soldiers weren't as well armed either.

      I think Griffith also looks at the duration of a firefight and
      calculates the number of rounds fired per minute. Again, IIRC, he
      focuses on the Iron Brigade and it's shootout with the Stonewall
      Brigade. (I know, wrong theater - but I'd be interested if anyone knows
      where I could find a similar stand up fight between two brigades in the
      west.). I think he draws the conclusion that the combat wasn't really
      that fierce after a while. I'm going to have to reread some of these
      books soon.

      John


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      Message: 7
      Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 06:47:50 -0400
      From: "John T. Coleman" <jtcoleman@...>
      Subject: Re: anyone out there

      Hi Margaret,

      > I had the same reaction to it. As someone who is half Scots (and not
      > remotely, my maternal grandparents emigrated as adults from Scotland and I
      > still have relatives there), I thought the Celtic thing was ridiculous.

      Agreed. For me, the French blow a hole in the Celtic argument. Their
      tactical doctrine from the 1850s to WWI stressed assaulting with elan.
      I think they became obsessed with it following the Franco-Prussian war,
      trying to overwhelm machine gun bullets with bodies in 1914.

      John


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    • Sean Dail
      My apologies for that last post. I was simply trying to post this: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaddyGriffith/
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        My apologies for that last post. I was simply trying to post this:

        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaddyGriffith/
      • Sean Dail
        My apologies for that last post. I was simply trying to post this: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaddyGriffith/
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          My apologies for that last post. I was simply trying to post this:

          http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaddyGriffith/
        • Bob Huddleston
          Thanks! Take care, Bob JUDY AND BOB HUDDLESTON 10643 Sperry Street Northglenn, CO 80234-3612 303.451.6376 adco@FilmsToSee.com Fax: 303.452.3051 My apologies
          Message 4 of 6 , Oct 28, 2000
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            Thanks!

            Take care,

            Bob

            JUDY AND BOB HUDDLESTON
            10643 Sperry Street
            Northglenn, CO 80234-3612
            303.451.6376 adco@...
            Fax: 303.452.3051


            My apologies for that last post. I was simply trying to post this:

            http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaddyGriffith/
          • Bob Huddleston
            Thanks! Take care, Bob JUDY AND BOB HUDDLESTON 10643 Sperry Street Northglenn, CO 80234-3612 303.451.6376 adco@FilmsToSee.com Fax: 303.452.3051 My apologies
            Message 5 of 6 , Oct 28, 2000
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              Thanks!

              Take care,

              Bob

              JUDY AND BOB HUDDLESTON
              10643 Sperry Street
              Northglenn, CO 80234-3612
              303.451.6376 adco@...
              Fax: 303.452.3051


              My apologies for that last post. I was simply trying to post this:

              http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaddyGriffith/
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