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  • JackEhmer123@aol.com
    This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I will bet that there are several out there who can answer a question for me: Who were the officers
    Message 1 of 10 , Oct 18, 1999
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      This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I will bet that
      there are several out there who can answer a question for me: Who were the
      officers present in the room at the McLean House for the signing of the
      surrender? In particular, I am referring to the painting, "Surrender at
      Appomattox", by Tom Lovell. The Union officer at the far right has been
      identified to me as either Custer or Chamberlain. In fact, this picture may
      or may not be historically accurate. From Chamberlain's, "Passing of the
      Armies", it does not appear that he was in the room. Thanks for your help.


      Jack Ehmer
    • Bryan D. McRaven
      Jack, The painting to which you reffer is historically accurate. The gentleman in gray standing beside Lee is his secretary Lt. Col. Charles Marshall. Standing
      Message 2 of 10 , Oct 18, 1999
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        Jack,
        The painting to which you reffer is historically accurate. The
        gentleman in gray standing beside Lee is his secretary Lt. Col. Charles
        Marshall. Standing around Gen. Grant, from left to right are; Gen. Phil
        Sheridan, Col. Orville E. Babcock, Lt.Col. Horace Porter, Maj. Gen. Edward
        O.C. Ord, Maj. Gen. Seth Williams, Col. Theodore S. Bowers, Col. Ely S.
        Parker, and Maj. Gen. George A. Custer.

        Hope this helps,

        Dameron
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        Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 4:34 PM
        Subject: [civilwarwest] Surrender at Appomattox


        > This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I will bet that
        > there are several out there who can answer a question for me: Who were the
        > officers present in the room at the McLean House for the signing of the
        > surrender? In particular, I am referring to the painting, "Surrender at
        > Appomattox", by Tom Lovell. The Union officer at the far right has been
        > identified to me as either Custer or Chamberlain. In fact, this picture
        may
        > or may not be historically accurate. From Chamberlain's, "Passing of the
        > Armies", it does not appear that he was in the room. Thanks for your help.
        >
        >
        > Jack Ehmer
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      • Don Myers
        Bryan, I wouldn t swear to this, I thought that I had read somewhere that Custer was not actually in the same room for the surrender because it was too
        Message 3 of 10 , Oct 18, 1999
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          Bryan,

          I wouldn't swear to this, I thought that I had read somewhere that Custer
          was not actually in the same room for the surrender because it was too
          crowded. That he had to witness it from another room or hallway or
          something. Further, that Phil Sheridan felt bad that Custer couldn't be in
          there, so he purchased the table the surrender signing took place on from
          Mr. MacClean, and presented it to Custer as a present.

          Like I said, I "heard" or read this somewhere, whether it has any factual
          basis to it or not I could not vouch for.
          Your Obedient Servant;
          -----Original Message-----
          From: Bryan D. McRaven <dameron@...>
          To: civilwarwest@egroups.com <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
          Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 9:03 PM
          Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Surrender at Appomattox


          >Jack,
          > The painting to which you reffer is historically accurate. The
          >gentleman in gray standing beside Lee is his secretary Lt. Col. Charles
          >Marshall. Standing around Gen. Grant, from left to right are; Gen. Phil
          >Sheridan, Col. Orville E. Babcock, Lt.Col. Horace Porter, Maj. Gen. Edward
          >O.C. Ord, Maj. Gen. Seth Williams, Col. Theodore S. Bowers, Col. Ely S.
          >Parker, and Maj. Gen. George A. Custer.
          >
          >Hope this helps,
          >
          >Dameron
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          >From: <JackEhmer123@...>
          >To: <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
          >Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 4:34 PM
          >Subject: [civilwarwest] Surrender at Appomattox
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          >
          >> This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I will bet that
          >> there are several out there who can answer a question for me: Who were
          the
          >> officers present in the room at the McLean House for the signing of the
          >> surrender? In particular, I am referring to the painting, "Surrender at
          >> Appomattox", by Tom Lovell. The Union officer at the far right has been
          >> identified to me as either Custer or Chamberlain. In fact, this picture
          >may
          >> or may not be historically accurate. From Chamberlain's, "Passing of the
          >> Armies", it does not appear that he was in the room. Thanks for your
          help.
          >>
          >>
          >> Jack Ehmer
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        • P. B. Jones
          Don, Bryan and all, I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the web page, but read with great interest information on Appomattox Surrender and other various
          Message 4 of 10 , Oct 19, 1999
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            Don, Bryan and all,
             
            I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the web page, but read with great interest information on  Appomattox Surrender and other various artistic renderings of the event at http://www.mscomm.com/~ulysses/page179.html .  At the bottom of the page is a link which refers to the surrender furniture and the Custer connection.  http://www.150.si.edu/150trav/remember/r316.htm
             
            Best regards.
             
            Pat
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            From: Don Myers
            Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:09 PM
            Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Surrender at Appomattox

            Bryan,

            I wouldn't swear to this, I thought that I had read somewhere that Custer
            was not actually in the same room for the surrender because it was too
            crowded.  That he had to witness it from another room or hallway or
            something.  Further, that Phil Sheridan felt bad that Custer couldn't be in
            there, so he purchased the table the surrender signing took place on from
            Mr. MacClean, and presented it to Custer as a present.

            Like I said, I "heard" or read this somewhere, whether it has any factual
            basis to it or not I could not vouch for.
            Your Obedient Servant;
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Bryan D. McRaven <dameron@...>
            To: civilwarwest@egroups.com <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
            Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 9:03 PM
            Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Surrender at Appomattox


            >Jack,
            >             The painting to which you reffer is historically accurate. The
            >gentleman in gray standing beside Lee is his secretary Lt. Col. Charles
            >Marshall. Standing around Gen. Grant, from left to right are; Gen. Phil
            >Sheridan, Col. Orville E. Babcock, Lt.Col. Horace Porter,  Maj. Gen. Edward
            >O.C. Ord, Maj. Gen. Seth Williams, Col. Theodore S. Bowers,  Col. Ely S.
            >Parker, and Maj. Gen. George A. Custer.
            >
            >Hope this helps,
            >
            >Dameron
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            >From: <JackEhmer123@...>
            >To: <civilwarwest@egroups.com>
            >Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 4:34 PM
            >Subject: [civilwarwest] Surrender at Appomattox
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            >
            >> This may not be the correct forum for this question, but I will bet that
            >> there are several out there who can answer a question for me: Who were
            the
            >> officers present in the room at the McLean House for the signing of the
            >> surrender? In particular, I am referring to the painting, "Surrender at
            >> Appomattox", by Tom Lovell. The Union officer at the far right has been
            >> identified to me as either Custer or Chamberlain. In fact, this picture
            >may
            >> or may not be historically accurate. From Chamberlain's, "Passing of the
            >> Armies", it does not appear that he was in the room. Thanks for your
            help.
            >>
            >>
            >> Jack Ehmer
            >>
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          • JackEhmer123@aol.com
            In a message dated 10/18/1999 7:05:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dameron@tecinfo.com writes:
            Message 5 of 10 , Nov 2, 1999
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              In a message dated 10/18/1999 7:05:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
              dameron@... writes:

              << Subj: [civilwarwest] Re: Surrender at Appomattox
              Date: 10/18/1999 7:05:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time
              From: dameron@... (Bryan D. McRaven)
              Reply-to: civilwarwest@egroups.com
              To: civilwarwest@egroups.com

              Jack,
              The painting to which you reffer is historically accurate. The
              gentleman in gray standing beside Lee is his secretary Lt. Col. Charles
              Marshall. Standing around Gen. Grant, from left to right are; Gen. Phil
              Sheridan, Col. Orville E. Babcock, Lt.Col. Horace Porter, Maj. Gen. Edward
              O.C. Ord, Maj. Gen. Seth Williams, Col. Theodore S. Bowers, Col. Ely S.
              Parker, and Maj. Gen. George A. Custer.

              Hope this helps, >>


              Thanks to Bryan for this answer and to all of the other replies. I was able
              to get a copy of "The Art of Tom Lovell", which states verbatim the above
              attendance. According to Robert Hendrickson's, "The Road to Appomattox", also
              in the room were Generals Rollins, Merritt, Barnard, and Ingalls and Colonels
              Morgan and Boudeau (sp?).

              Hendrickson casts some doubt if Custer was actually in the room. I also found
              the link to the Smithsonian very useful, which states that Generals Ord and
              Sheridan "bought" the two tables from the Mcleans. Ord offered one table to
              Julia Grant, which she declined, and Sheridan gave the other to Libby Custer.

              Thanks,

              Jack Ehmer
            • JackEhmer123@aol.com
              In a message dated 10/18/1999 7:05:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dameron@tecinfo.com writes:
              Message 6 of 10 , Nov 2, 1999
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                In a message dated 10/18/1999 7:05:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
                dameron@... writes:

                << Subj: [civilwarwest] Re: Surrender at Appomattox
                Date: 10/18/1999 7:05:04 PM Mountain Daylight Time
                From: dameron@... (Bryan D. McRaven)
                Reply-to: civilwarwest@egroups.com
                To: civilwarwest@egroups.com

                Jack,
                The painting to which you reffer is historically accurate. The
                gentleman in gray standing beside Lee is his secretary Lt. Col. Charles
                Marshall. Standing around Gen. Grant, from left to right are; Gen. Phil
                Sheridan, Col. Orville E. Babcock, Lt.Col. Horace Porter, Maj. Gen. Edward
                O.C. Ord, Maj. Gen. Seth Williams, Col. Theodore S. Bowers, Col. Ely S.
                Parker, and Maj. Gen. George A. Custer.

                Hope this helps, >>


                Thanks to Bryan for this answer and to all of the other replies. I was able
                to get a copy of "The Art of Tom Lovell", which states verbatim the above
                attendance. According to Robert Hendrickson's, "The Road to Appomattox", also
                in the room were Generals Rollins, Merritt, Barnard, and Ingalls and Colonels
                Morgan and Boudeau (sp?).

                Hendrickson casts some doubt if Custer was actually in the room. I also found
                the link to the Smithsonian very useful, which states that Generals Ord and
                Sheridan "bought" the two tables from the Mcleans. Ord offered one table to
                Julia Grant, which she declined, and Sheridan gave the other to Libby Custer.

                Thanks,

                Jack Ehmer
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