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6915Re: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Thomas at Louisville

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  • Robert Taubman
    Aug 1, 2001
      Reading Lewis, Sherman Fighting Prophet, Sherman declined Grant's requests to
      take command several times.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Michael Mason" <richthofen@...>
      To: "Tim Harrison" <tharrison@...>; <civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:46 PM
      Subject: Re: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Thomas at Louisville


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      | On 31-Jul-01, Tim Harrison <tharrison@...> wrote:
      |
      | Joseph,
      |
      | Would it be fair to say that General Thomas did not accept command of the
      Army of the Cumberland when he was duly ordered to take command of it?
      |
      | Regards,
      | Tim Harrison
      | http://www.swcivilwar.com
      |
      | I think this is a complete,American question.What I mean is in 99% of the
      Armys of the world down thru history,there would be no, "I decline".It would
      be,Your out! And you over there, your in!
      | Only in America would we be having this question.
      | The Baron,
      | ----- Original Message -----
      | From: josepharose@...
      | To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
      | Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:28 PM
      | Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Thomas at Louisville
      |
      |
      | Dave,
      |
      | I didn't write that you said that Thomas "refused to follow an
      | order." I did used the word "refusing" to characterize the word you
      | first used "declined." In my dictionary, "refuse" is the first
      | synonym given for "decline." I'm sorry if you think that the meaning
      | of "decline" isn't close enough to that of "refuse."
      |
      | The crux of the issue, however, isn't any discrepancy between the
      | definitions of those two words, but it is whether "declining"
      | and "asking to decline" are at all similar.
      |
      | The first is a positive action and the second is merely a request for
      | that action. Your characterization was that Thomas "declined." I
      | say again that he did not. He asked to decline.
      |
      | Joseph
      |
      | P.S. You've graciously told me twice now that I can have the last
      | word, but do feel free to reply.
      |
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      | From: "Dave Smith" <dmsmith001@y...>
      | Date: Tue Jul 31, 2001 7:11 am
      | Subject: Re: Thomas at Louisville
      |
      | --- In civilwarwest@y..., josepharose@y... wrote:
      | > Dave,
      | >
      | > I'm pretty surprised by your opinion.
      | >
      | > I think that the difference between refusing to follow an order and
      | > requesting that an order--which would redound to one's own benefit--
      | > be dismissed is big enough to drive a truck through.
      | >
      | > Hair-splitting, indeed!
      |
      | Congrats, Joe, you're doing it again. I never said Thomas "refused
      | to follow an order." Far from it.=20
      |
      | I made my point, and made my interpretation. As Brooks might say,
      | I'll leave it to the reader to interpret. You may, if you wish, have
      | the last word.
      |
      | Dave
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