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46949Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Me and the rebellion

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  • Chet Diestel
    Jan 24, 2011
             Worse than even the loss of Mississippi was the disaster that befell the Confederacy in the spring of 1862 when Union forces occupied western and central Tennessee, which became the staging areas for all the subsequent Union drives both south and east.
              In short, there would have been no Vicksburg Campaign --- at least when it happened --- without the Union successes in the Volunteer State the year previous.
                            With regards,

      --- On Mon, 1/24/11, William Nolan <sixtxcavrgtcsa@...> wrote:

      From: William Nolan <sixtxcavrgtcsa@...>
      Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Re: Me and the rebellion
      To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 11:44 AM
      The loss of the Mississippi cost the South a major supply from Texas and Louisiana. Vicksburg was a moral loss and Pemberton's Army was split between Polk and Stephen Dill Lee and Johnston.  These forces were not ever fully consolidated and all Johnson could do was delay Sherman. Getting back 30,000 men with out arms, cloths, cannons, etc., was not a good deal for the South.  It cost every unit in Johnston army.  Sul Ross' Cavalry Brigade was only able to resupply by raid and capture. Other units were not so fortunate. Late in the Atlanta campaign even the Cavalry had to turn in all boodie and captured horses.
      David Evens' "Sherman's Horsemen" also has some info on the Atlanta Campaign.  I look forward to reading the other books suggested by this site.

      From: hank9174 <clarkc@...>
      To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Mon, January 24, 2011 8:54:22 AM
      Subject: [civilwarwest] Re: Me and the rebellion

      The capture of Vicksburg gains two clear Union advantages other than the elimination of the CS army of Mississippi:

      1) it clears the river for use as a Union highway of supply and communication,

      2) it allows the Union to concentrate forces farther east, particularly in east Tennessee facing Chattanooga and Atlanta. For all intents and purposes, the states of Mississippi and Alabama become civil war backwaters...


      --- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <chiefjoseph1877@...> wrote:
      > Hi,
      > I like Chris' post. I had thought that Vicksburg was the main turning point because it was a surrender of a Confederate army- wasn't it about 30,000 men swept right off the board? But recently, I read those men were all paroled and many got back into the war, decreasing the impact of Grant's victory.. any thoughts on that? Any figures on how many of Pemberton's men got back into the fighting?
      > Jim
      > --- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, chris bryant <paladinsf@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > First I want to note that on this day 150 years ago Thomas J. Jackson,soon to be a top General of That Other Army,was celebrating his 37th birthday.
      > >  
      > > Second I want note that 150 years ago was the month that saw the most states secede from the union;five states leaving in January,following South Carolina's December lead.
      > >  
      > > And now I'll talk about myself a bit:I'm a Union sympathizer,though I had ancestors on both sides.One{Ezekiel Chitwood} I believe is buried in the Little Rock National Cemetery,having died during the Civil War while serving with the 4th Arkansas Cavalry.Another{Asa Bryant} served with the 3rd Confederate Cavalry.{which led to my interest in the Western Theatre}A third I'm not sure about:Florian Warth seems to have been killed in an explosion on the transport Mississippi but I've been unable to find his name on any regimental rosters and I've wondered if he might have been serving the Union in a civilan capacity or as a sailor.I haven't been able to find out much about this ship,though I did find some mention of it years ago.
      > >  
      > > I have an interest in military history and tend to be interested in those Generals who show particular skill in maneuver,though the Civil war has frustrated me a bit because there seems to have been so little maneuver warfare worth talking about and thus was interested in the talk of envelopments.I like Grant because he seems to have shown some skill in maneuver,and seems to have been one of the clearest thinkers among Civil War Generals.
      > >  
      > > I've believed for a while that the Western Theatre was more important than the East,though the East had a psychological importance.I've been going through the archives{so now I feel more that I've earned the right to comment}and I noticed a question way back as to what the turning point of the war was.Vicksburg was the choice at that time and I think I disagree.I think the three events that took place at that time{Bragg's retreat is the third} had a strong effect on Southern Morale but I'm not sure I'd call this the turning point.With regard to Vicksburg,I think its fall was less important because the Mississippi was under effective control of the Union long before that.That "turning point" question is interesting to me and I plan to come back to it.Need to go now but hope to continue this soon,maybe having read some comments from you.
      > >                                Chris Bryant
      > >  

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