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46884Re: Retreat and Fall Back

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  • hank9174
    Dec 23, 2010
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      Good point.

      If you accomplish your objective and use the same road toleave, it's not a retreat ;)

      --- In civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com, Bob Taubman <rtaubman@...> wrote:
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      > What is a "strategic withdrawal"?  The battle is over, the enemy is routed. 
      > What does any army victorous army do in those circumstances.  It leaves the
      > battlefield.  It isn't a "strategic withdrawl:".  They just left. 
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      > Wow, and you are willing to stipulate that Thomas did not retreat.  Good on
      > you.  I'm sure that must be the Christmas spirit.
      >
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      > From: Bob Huddleston <huddleston.r@...>
      > To: Civil War West <civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 10:31:53 PM
      > Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] Retreat and Fall Back
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      > Having done some reading in sources ranging from an 1868 campaign
      > biography of USG to Brooks Simpson, it does appear that Grant never
      > retreated, especially after the Holly Springs raid..... :>)
      >
      > So I am willing to stipulate that Pap Thomas did not retreat after Mill
      > Springs. He did fall back, make a strategic withdrawal, etc. What he did
      > not do was pursue the Rebels. Double :>)
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      > fighting it, and, of the two groups, the historians are the more
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      > On 12/21/2010 2:13 PM, keeno2@... wrote:
      > > Agreed that it's semantics, Patricia. One might fall back to
      > > consolidate. One might run like a rabbit and call it a strategic withdrawal.
      > > In my limited memory, the Holly Springs episode was the only time Grant
      > > ever "retreated."
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      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Patricia Swan <pbswan@...>
      > > To: civilwarwest <civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 2:50 pm
      > > Subject: [civilwarwest] Retreat and Fall Back
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      > > It may all be a matter of semantics, but it seems to me that this being
      > > the anniversary of Confederate General Earl Van Dorn's raid on Grant's
      > > supply base at Holly Springs, it might be a timely illustration.  After
      > > the raid, Grant could no longer sustain his troops, his supplies at
      > > Holly Springs having been largely destroyed and the railroad down to
      > > Mississippi having been disrupted.  One could say, and some do write,
      > > that Grant retreated. Others say that he was "forced to fall back" to
      > > Tennessee.  Do these terms apply equally well to what Grant did, or is
      > > one or the other more apt?
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