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  • Jack Lawrence
    Dec 20, 2010
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      And both times he pursued an attacking bforce into disintergation.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Bob Huddleston" <huddleston.r@...>
      To: <civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:07 PM
      Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] yesterday in history


      > Thomas commanded in only two battles: Mill Springs, a small (4,500
      > Federals to about 5900 Rebels) action where the total casualties were
      > about 246 Union to 533 Confederate. Hardly much of a battle, since
      > Thomas was forced to fall back after it was over. Thomas commanded some
      > ten regiments and Crittenden eight; roughly two divisions fighting it
      > out. Thomas casualties were low – but then so were Crittenden’s.
      >
      > From Mill Springs, January 19, 1862, until Nashville, almost exactly
      > three years later, Thomas was never in command of a single battle; he
      > was always in the position of having someone immediately over him, as
      > the commander – and the one responsible for the victory or the defeat.
      >
      > I already posted the box score for Nashville.
      >
      > Take care,
      >
      > Bob
      >
      > Judy and Bob Huddleston
      > 10643 Sperry Street
      > Northglenn, CO 80234-3612
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      >
      > “There must be more historians of the Civil War than there were generals
      > fighting it, and, of the two groups, the historians are the more
      > belligerent.” David Donald, “Refighting the Civil War,” Lincoln
      > Reconsidered (New York, 1956), 82.
      >
      > On 12/18/2010 7:39 AM, Jack Lawrence wrote:
      >> This is an old argument.
      >>
      >> No one says cannae when talking about Thomas.
      >>
      >> But he had a habit of turning back assaults and then pursuing a
      >> retreating
      >> enemy ( under modern doctrine this is de rigor) to the point that it was
      >> rendered combat ineffective to the point that it had to be reconstituted
      >> and
      >> rearmed.
      >>
      >> That's what Thomas did. No matter how many survivors, the opposing force
      >> was
      >> destroyed.
      >>
      >> Regards,
      >>
      >> Jack
      >>
      >> Amateur military historians study units an numbers. Professional military
      >> historians study battles.
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: "Bob Huddleston" <huddleston.r@...
      >> <mailto:huddleston.r%40comcast.net>>
      >> To: <civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
      >> <mailto:civilwarwest%40yahoogroups.com>>
      >> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 7:53 PM
      >> Subject: Re: [civilwarwest] yesterday in history
      >>
      >> >
      >> > In our discussion of the importance of George Thomas, the statement is
      >> > made that he is unique because he destroyed a Civil War army. Leaving
      >> > aside the thought that if that is the sign of greatness, then John
      >> Bell
      >> > Hood should be considered the greatest general of all time :>) I did
      >> > some checking in the various secondary sources on the two battles of
      >> > Franklin and Nashville. What I found, and please correct me if my
      >> > figures are wrong, was that the destruction of the AoT was done at
      >> > Franklin and that it would appear that the Rebels at Nashville were
      >> > hardly destroyed, not if they had twenty something thousand when
      >> Thomas
      >> > attacked and still had 20,000 a month or so later.
      >> >
      >> > At Franklin:
      >> >
      >> > Schofield:23,939
      >> >
      >> > Hood started north with about approximately 40,000 maximum, but only
      >> had
      >> > about 29,000 left at Franklin (there are no decent Confederate
      >> numbers)
      >> >
      >> > Losses at Franklin, November 30, 1864:
      >> >
      >> > Schofield:2326
      >> >
      >> > Hood:6200
      >> >
      >> > At Nashville, December 15-16, 1864:
      >> >
      >> > Thomas: 52,000-60,000 (I am startled at the disagreement over the
      >> number
      >> > of men Thomas had available!)
      >> >
      >> > Hood:22,000-25,000
      >> >
      >> > Casualties:
      >> >
      >> > Thomas: 3,061 killed, wounded and missing.
      >> >
      >> > Hood: No reports – but there is agreement that Thomas captured 4462
      >> > Confederates and that, when the Army of Tennessee reached Tupelo at
      >> the
      >> > beginning of 1865, it had about 20,000 men.
      >> >
      >> > Take care,
      >> >
      >> > Bob
      >> >
      >> > Judy and Bob Huddleston
      >> > 10643 Sperry Street
      >> > Northglenn, CO 80234-3612
      >> > Huddleston.r@... <mailto:Huddleston.r%40comcast.net>
      >> >
      >> > “There must be more historians of the Civil War than there were
      >> generals
      >> > fighting it, and, of the two groups, the historians are the more
      >> > belligerent.” David Donald, “Refighting the Civil War,” Lincoln
      >> > Reconsidered (New York, 1956), 82.
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > On 12/17/2010 3:39 PM, chris bryant wrote:
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >> I'd say it was pretty well sealed before that;any other opinions?
      >> >> Chris Bryant
      >> >> --- On *Fri, 12/17/10, hank9174 /<clarkc@...
      >> <mailto:clarkc%40missouri.edu>>/* wrote:
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >> From: hank9174 <clarkc@... <mailto:clarkc%40missouri.edu>>
      >> >> Subject: [civilwarwest] yesterday in history
      >> >> To: civilwarwest@yahoogroups.com
      >> <mailto:civilwarwest%40yahoogroups.com>
      >> >> Date: Friday, December 17, 2010, 12:41 PM
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >> 146 years ago George H. Thomas created his magnum opus, his
      >> >> masterpiece, his pièce de résistance: the battle of nashville.
      >> >>
      >> >> If any event truly sealed the fate of the CSA it was the virtual
      >> >> destruction of the AoT...
      >> >>
      >> >> HankC
      >> >>
      >> >> p.s. I kind of miss old joseph rose ;)
      >> >>
      >> >>
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