134Re: Fw: Bias, NOT ignorance
- Feb 6, 2012Almost everyone knows a good deal about the Amish example and few follow it because it is a bad example. The work like dogs and live on little to feed lots of children using primitive technology. An overpopulation community can use environmental contraception funding to live lives of leasure and wealth, served by modern technology with few taxes and many benefits. Overpopulation activists can blow the amish example to crapville!Please read these petitions advocating municipal environmental
contraception funding, which is increasingly politically realistic due
to The Big Sort in more and more towns, and helps women's rights, quality of life, and school taxes as well as being at
least 5 times more cost-effective than any other environmental effort.
http://www.thebigsort.com/maps.phpThe prochoice and contraception movements are placing too high a priority on defensive actions in the red states when we should be going on the offensive, the side of "change", in the blue states, and cities. The worst places
will get even worse no matter what we do, but the unrealized political potential, the low hanging fruit, is in making the best places even better. This opportunity is being caused by The Big Sort. Mayors are not answerable to rural voters, unlike governors and presidents.
We americans love cars more than babies, Very soon we will have to choose, and we will choose cars.On Mon, 6 Feb 2012 09:26:17 -0800 John Taves <john.taves@...> writes:What example? I mean what do you expect this community to do or believe and how do you expect that to be known by others? For example, the Amish have a set of beliefs and live in communities that set that example. That example is not having much of an impact on other's behavior. How will your example community be different?
jtOn Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:14 AM, <aditmore@...> wrote:Bias DOES tell us what to do and it is NOT education! And the HAVE already heard the proper arguements many times. The proper thing to do is to establish independent communities that do not include the reporters and set an example there. Examples cannot be ignored while academics can!-AlanFor the environment and low school taxes due to low gay fertility.
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http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1400/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=6100On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:23:58 -0800 John Taves <john.taves@...> writes:This is like saying the car stopped running because it went over a bump, vs the car stopped running because the primary coil wire fell off. Both answers are correct, but only one tells you what to do to correct the problem. If you say the cause is bias, then what are we to do? If we recognize the cause is ignorance, we know what to do. Maybe we don't know the exact course of action, but education is the answer.
Reporters have not heard the proper argument. I will use another analogy. What they have heard are a bunch of measurements all pointing at the concept that if you square and sum the two short sides of a right triangle you get the square of the hypotenuse. Measurements are inaccurate and the resulting conclusion can be doubted. They have not heard the equivalent to proofs of phythagorean theorem. If you comprehend the proof, you will doubt your measurements. You won't doubt that a2+b2=c2.
We are overpopulated because we are consuming resources, that are essential to providing for our numbers, faster than those resources renew.
As far as I can tell, this sentence is effectively the proof. It eliminates the problem of talking about population numbers and then having to talk about resources and do some comparison of the two. It eliminates the measurements that are controversial. If you don't know this, you will waste your time measuring things, and your conclusions will be debatable and just plain wrong. If you know this, you won't bother to measure.
jtOn Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:34 AM, <aditmore@...> wrote:
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Subject: Bias, NOT ignorance
No, the Japan story is NOT ignorant reporting, it is BIASED reporting.
The reporters have heard the sustainable population arguement many times
and they don't believe it because they don't want to believe it; and they
dont want to believe it because their brains have evolved for millenia
not to believe it, along sociobiological lines.
4b. Re: [PublicPopForum] Japans_Population_t o_Shrink_Nearly_a_Thir
Posted by: "John Taves" john.taves@... johntaves1
Date: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:14 pm ((PST))
This is not biased reporting. This is ignorant reporting.
Demographers have done a dreadful job at explaining these things so that
reporters can state facts. Demographers are ignorant of several facts,
like the general population is ignorant of these issues.
It is a fact that *every country on this planet is overpopulated because
country can feed their current numbers without using resources faster
they renew*. For example, we cannot create food for 7 billion people each
day without burning oil faster than it is created by the planet. This is
cold hard fact. There is no possibility for bias here. We might be able
feed, say 1 billion people without consuming oil, but we do not know how
feed 7 billion without consuming oil and without consuming plenty of
resources faster than they renew too. You don't need to calculate the
number of people the planet can sustain, in order to recognize that we
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