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Re: [Cheetahtemplate-discuss] [ANNOUNCE] Cheetah Community Edition v2.1.0

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  • R. Tyler Ballance
    ... Cheetah Community Edition has no affiliation with either Redhat or Fedora in particular, those guys just happened to have submitted some packages :) The
    Message 1 of 33 , Mar 19 11:47 AM
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      On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 02:22:46PM -0400, Mike Orr wrote:
      > I don't know what "Cheetah Community Edition" means. Is this for the
      > Red Hat/Fedora package? If you feel you need to make a fork to get a
      > better version released, I'd say go for it. When Tavis reemerges he
      > can figure out how to merge them.

      "Cheetah Community Edition" has no affiliation with either Redhat or
      Fedora in particular, those guys just happened to have submitted some
      packages :)

      The community edition is meant as a means of mitigating a completely
      AWOL upstream maintainer (16 months since a release!)

      Just trying to keep things alive and kicking.

      > BTW, none of my messages are getting to the list because they're being
      > held for moderator approval, but um, it's the moderator who's missing.

      They're getting to some of us CC'ed on the mail :), maybe my sending of
      this reply will properly get your message to the list.

      Do you have CVS or project administrator access to the sourceforge

      > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Michael DeHaan <mdehaan@...> wrote:
      > > Mike Orr wrote:
      > >>
      > >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Michael DeHaan <mdehaan@...>
      > >> wrote:
      > >>
      > >>>
      > >>> Mike Orr wrote:
      > >>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>> Tavis is supporting Cheetah now; I'm not using it currently. ?i can
      > >>>> help with things off the top of my head, which is mainly syntax issues
      > >>>> rather than development.
      > >>>>
      > >>>
      > >>> What do you mean by "Tavis is supporting Cheetah now", when he hasn't
      > >>> posted
      > >>> to the list in four months?
      > >>>
      > >>
      > >> Tavis tends to dip in and out as work priorities allow. ?I don't know
      > >> what he's doing now.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>>>
      > >>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 3:56 PM, ?<mobiledreamers@...> wrote:
      > >>>>
      > >>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>> py3k is not that ?important to current users
      > >>>>> Mike Orr is pretty responsive
      > >>>>>
      > >>>>>
      > >>>
      > >>> Is this saying Mike maintaining the upstream project now?
      > >>>
      > >>
      > >> Er, which upstream project? ?I'm not maintaining Cheetah or Git*. ?I
      > >> stopped using Cheetah a year ago and unsubscribed from the list. ?I'm
      > >> now using Mako, which is similar to Cheetah in design but written more
      > >> recently, so it has smart HTML escaping, a template lookup object,
      > >> auto-compiled templates, expressions without internal $, an excellent
      > >> manual and support, etc.
      > >>
      > >>
      > >
      > > The previous email from mobiledreamers seemed to imply you had ownership,
      > > and ergo a fork was not needed in order to incorporate user patches.
      > >
      > > Just checking with you to confirm/deny.
      > >
      > > I am leaning on +1 in favor of calling it abandoned, myself.
      > >
      > > My application (http://fedorahosted.org/cobbler) has a lot of existing
      > > Cheetah templates, so it's important that we get things like Py 2.6
      > > deprecation and such fixed (not just for Fedora, but other distros).
      > > Support for other templating engines /is/ something I could hack in, but
      > > keeping the existing one maintained is quite important too.
      > >
      > > --Michael
      > >
      > --
      > Mike Orr <sluggoster@...>

      -R. Tyler Ballance
      Slide, Inc.
    • mobiledreamers@gmail.com
      ... maintain cheetah anymore and actively asked me to switch to mako Considering that i say it is very healthy to have Tyler maintain Cheetah Gmail top-posts
      Message 33 of 33 , Apr 28, 2009
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        From What mike orr told me over the last 2years is he is not going to maintain cheetah anymore
        and actively asked me to switch to mako
        Considering that i say it is very healthy to have Tyler maintain Cheetah
        Gmail top-posts

        On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, R. Tyler Ballance <tyler@...> wrote:
        On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:19:08AM +0300, Juha Tuomala wrote:
        > On Monday 27 April 2009 22:05:57 R. Tyler Ballance wrote:
        > > Apologies for top-posting on this ancient thread.
        > Please don't, either.

        Heh, yes sir!

        Hey, at least I didn't send an HTML email ;)

        > > It has come to my attention that my Abandoned Project Take-over request
        > > with SourceForge.net has been approved and as of now I have
        > > administrator access to the "cheetahtemplate" project on SourceForge.
        > I has crossed my mind that has anyone tried to call him?

        To humour you, I just went ahead and tried (since it's effectively the
        same calling from the US to Canada)

        > > Administrative, Technical Contact:
        > > Rudd, Tavis tavis@...
        > > DamnSimple Solutions
        > > #1106 189 Davie Street
        > > Vancouver, BC V6Z 2X9
        > > CA
        > > 604-787-2204


        > > 604-921-7853

        Jan and David live there now, they sound nice.

        My personal feelings on the ethos of open source is along the lines of
        Michael's such that projects exist in more of a community realm. That is
        not to say I don't understand your concerns for Tavis and *his* project.
        Tavis has created something wonderful that's been quite useful to me,
        and I believe many of you. I feel it would be disingenuous of us to let
        his project languish in his absence.

        I certainly don't want to split off from the original goals Tavis
        outlined for Cheetah. From communitycheetah.org:

               Why Community Cheetah:
                       The primary motivations for the Community Cheetah fork is to
                       maintain active development outside of the currently-stale
                       Cheetah CVS tree. Community Cheetah isn't meant to diverge from
                       the main goals of Cheetah: speed, ease of use and stability, but
                       rather Community Cheetah is meant to reinvirgorate the community
                       surrounding Cheetah and provide monthly releases incorporating
                       patches and improvements to the engine.

        End of the day, I don't want to replace Tavis or take the project in a
        different direction, I want to help Tavis' "pet project" (as you put it)
        grow up and continue to live on regardless of whether or not Tavis is
        here to care for it.

        Consider me the house keeper until Tavis gets back ;)

        -R. Tyler Ballance
        Slide, Inc.

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