Re: [Cheetahtemplate-discuss] [ANNOUNCE] Cheetah Community Edition v2.1.0
- R. Tyler Ballance wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:55:03AM -0400, Mike Bonnet wrote:Ditto what Mike said. I've added him to this email to save time.
>> R. Tyler Ballance wrote:
>>> I've had a fork of the Cheetah CVS for some time, but this weekend I got
>>> fed up with a number of outstanding patches not being released into the
>>> mainline release of Cheetah, so I went ahead and forked it :)
>> Have you tried contacting Tavis directly, perhaps requesting commit
>> access to CVS? I'd hate to see the project get unnecessarily forked.
> No I've not emailed Tavis directly, I've not actually seen much trace of
> him online or in the developer community since early 2008
> (damnsimple.com still shows a lovely Apache 1.3 install page).
> If he comes back around and permits me access, I'll certainly merge my
> changes back into the mainline tree, but I'd likely continue working in
> GitHub (CVS rots your brane, not even FreeBSD uses it for active
> development anymore ;)).
> I don't view forking as a bad thing either, I don't intend to create the
> "Puma Template Engine" or some other large cat, I only intend on pushing
> the project along to keep up to date with all the community
> contributions I've seen over the past year or so (let along 2 years
> since the last formal release).
> Open source is supposed to be about the bazaar model of development, and
> I figure at the very least a Community release of Cheetah will be able
> to take advantage of that :)
> I understand your concern, my plans are in the vein of improvement and
> not fragmentation.
Tavis's last post to the list was 11/08, in general, going missing for
that time without a post to the list is not a good thing, and I would
like to see Cheetah moving forward. Hope everything is ok.
(Not sure if the Python 2.6 deprecation warnings got corrected yet --
but that's one example of us needing something -- so we can't simply
just stop taking updates).
If a fork means bugfixes, great, but let's also make sure things remain
backwards compatibile and we have a good answer to list and domain
ownership -- where the community needs to migrate if needed -- once we
figure out the situation.
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- From What mike orr told me over the last 2years is he is not going to maintain cheetah anymoreand actively asked me to switch to makoConsidering that i say it is very healthy to have Tyler maintain CheetahGmail top-postsOn Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:50 AM, R. Tyler Ballance <tyler@...> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:19:08AM +0300, Juha Tuomala wrote:
> On Monday 27 April 2009 22:05:57 R. Tyler Ballance wrote:
> > Apologies for top-posting on this ancient thread.
> Please don't, either.
Heh, yes sir!
Hey, at least I didn't send an HTML email ;)
> > It has come to my attention that my Abandoned Project Take-over request
> > with SourceForge.net has been approved and as of now I have
> > administrator access to the "cheetahtemplate" project on SourceForge.
> I has crossed my mind that has anyone tried to call him?
To humour you, I just went ahead and tried (since it's effectively the
same calling from the US to Canada)
> > Administrative, Technical Contact:
> > Rudd, Tavis tavis@...
> > DamnSimple Solutions
> > #1106 189 Davie Street
> > Vancouver, BC V6Z 2X9
> > CA
> > 604-787-2204
> > 604-921-7853
Jan and David live there now, they sound nice.
My personal feelings on the ethos of open source is along the lines of
Michael's such that projects exist in more of a community realm. That is
not to say I don't understand your concerns for Tavis and *his* project.
Tavis has created something wonderful that's been quite useful to me,
and I believe many of you. I feel it would be disingenuous of us to let
his project languish in his absence.
I certainly don't want to split off from the original goals Tavis
outlined for Cheetah. From communitycheetah.org:
Why Community Cheetah:
The primary motivations for the Community Cheetah fork is to
maintain active development outside of the currently-stale
Cheetah CVS tree. Community Cheetah isn't meant to diverge from
the main goals of Cheetah: speed, ease of use and stability, but
rather Community Cheetah is meant to reinvirgorate the community
surrounding Cheetah and provide monthly releases incorporating
patches and improvements to the engine.
End of the day, I don't want to replace Tavis or take the project in a
different direction, I want to help Tavis' "pet project" (as you put it)
grow up and continue to live on regardless of whether or not Tavis is
here to care for it.
Consider me the house keeper until Tavis gets back ;)
-R. Tyler Ballance
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