Re: [cerebus] The Golden Age of Porn (was: Re: OT: Chaykin)
- In a message dated 5/31/2003 7:33:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rainmandu@... writes:
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Rick Sharer <rlsharer@y...>
> --- rainmandu2 <rainmandu@e...> wrote:
> > --- In email@example.com, Rick Sharer
> > <rlsharer@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Still, being unable to control one's own lusts and
> > > urges is a *weakness*, not a strength, correct?
> > >
> > > TTM
> > And here we go. Because "lusts and urges" (as
> > defined by the
> > Moral Guardians of the Universe) must be controlled.
> Damn straight! Heh.
> For example, let's say John has an uncontrollable urge
> to hate black people, just because their skin is dark.
> Would the Moral Guardians of the Universe on the other
> side of the aisle want to control that? Why, you
> What I am saying is that human beings, as a sentient
> species, should not be slaves to their urges,
> 'uncontrollable' or otherwise...as long as someone is
> *in control* of those urges, well now that's a
> different story.
> But yeah, no one likes others telling them what they
> can and cannot do...what I am speaking of is *oneself*
> not being able to tell *oneself* what to do because
> *oneself* is a slave to fulfilling his own desires
> above all else.
Okay. So John hates black people. Well, fuck John. But John has
a right to think whatever thoughts he wants about black people.
He has a right to hang out with other like-minded people, and to
publish (if he so chooses) assorted manifestos on the subject.
He has a right to hang "collectible" propaganda posters and Nazi
youth slogans in his house or apartment. Now, let's say John
works in Human Resources. If it can be proved that John throws
away applications from black people or in any way discriminates
against them in the workplace, then John should be fired. If John
walks down the street and verbally assaults black people, John
should get his ass kicked. John's urges are John's business,
and in a free society, individuals will decide for themselves
whether to hang out with John or do business with him. It's only
when the government gets involved in punishing John for his
views that I have a problem with it. In fact, the only time the
government should get involved is when John's views go from
just being thoughts in his head, or words that he expresses, to
actual acts of violence or discrimination. John is an idiot. But in a
free country, John has that right.
Another good example would be someone who has a
religious-based hatred of homosexuality. They have every right to
believe whatever they want to believe. But they don't get to refuse
to hire someone because they're gay or lesbian. They don't get to
deny them housing. The government isn't punishing people for
not liking homosexuals, the government is protecting the rights
of homosexuals to live their lives unmolested by people who
believe that their opinions about them give them to right act
So, yeah, people should control their urges, especially their
urges to hate and to discriminate. But they shouldn't control their
urges in situations where their urges can't be proven to cause
harm to anyone (a gay or lesbian couple holding hands in public,
for example). If you have the urge to wear a shirt that says "Adam
and Eve, not Adam and Steve," that's your right. If someone else
has the urge to wear a shirt that says "Out and Proud" or
whatever, that's their right. And, yes, it's their right even in front of
nice - couldn't have said it better.
- Larry <larrytheillini@...> wrote:--- In cerebus@yahoogroups .com, Chris W <show_me68508@ ...> wrote:
>It's still one of my favorites. It doesn't make my "top five for
> "Roger Rabbit", however holds up about as well as the best
> animated cartoons do. It's fun, it's funny, it's zany,
> there's enough of a story to keep you interested,
> and it's a nice 'feel good' movie.
the desert island" list because it's not quite the type I'd want to
watch over and over and over ad nauseum, but I did enjoy it enough
to see it several times that summer, and I was already getting
disenchanted with movies in general by then.
It has in common with (the first) Star Wars the fact that the
primary reason for the movie is the special effects, and while I
won't claim it was the "religious experience" that Star Wars was, I
was blown away by the visuals in Roger Rabbit as well.
And unless I totally missed this aspect of our culture before, this
movie gave us the term "toon" as short for "cartoon", just as Star
Wars gave us "droid".====== It's possible the movie (or rather, the novel "Who Censored Roger Rabbit" it was based on) gave us the term 'toons' for the actual characters, but decades watching the "Looney Toons" tv show would have given us the word for the cartoons.
> Sure the plot about the freeway is stupid,I actaully liked that aspect of the film. It was a cartoonish plot,
but given the type of movie it was, I don't consider that to
be "stupid". It gave Doom a "realisitic" motive for his whole rise
to power and the land grab at Toon Town--a sense that it's not just
an act of cartoonish supervillainy, but a carefully calculated long-
term manipulation with an air of menace behind it.
Maybe it's just because I have relatives my mom's age who live in
California, but the Red Car really did exist, and it's an ironic
line but not a "parallel universe" sort of thing when Eddie
says "Who needs a car in LA? We have the best public transportation
system in the world!"======== I only meant "stupid" in that it doesn't really fit with the means and ends that we associate with supervillains. If anything, we'd expect a 'toon villain to be wildly grandiose. "That wacky freeway idea could only be cooked up by a 'toon."
> and the animation"I'm sick of taking falls,
> is overdone, so that the characters never stop moving for a
> second which gets irritating, but once Eddie Valiant starts
> singing, you realize how well everything has been built up
> to this point, and defeating Doom becomes that much more of a
> vindication of all that's good and noble.
Or bouncing off of walls.
Without that gun,
I'd have some fun,
I'd kick you in the ..."
- Larry Hart
Bored stiff? Loosen up...
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