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Dave Sim's blogandmail #134 (January 23rd, 2007)

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  • Jeff Tundis
    Dave Sim s Collected Letters Volume 2 will be released in late spring/early summer 2007. Until Dave (who currently has the flu) is feeling better – and to
    Message 1 of 28 , Jan 23, 2007

      Dave Sim's Collected Letters Volume 2 will be released in late spring/early summer 2007. Until Dave (who currently has the flu) is feeling better – and to whet your appetite for the book! -- The Blog & Mail will run two-page excerpts from the manuscript each day.

      Today: Pages 12 & 13:

      To me, what you and most of our society is doing — particularly the liberal or Marxist-feminist part — is navel-gazing. You are attempting to find meaning in that which is meaningless: your own sensations, your own emotions, your own desires, your own feelings. You focus on them so intently and to the exclusion of most everything else in your life that you magnify them to a disproportionate degree. No wonder, as you say, you didn't really feel anything on 9/11. It didn't affect you because it didn't affect you. It took place in New York City, Washington and a field in Pennsylvania and nowhere intruded between you and your navel. Therefore, as you say, all it did was to distract you from yourself, your emotions, your feelings and your navel for an extended period afterward. That, I would maintain, was one of the break points that took place. One half of our society experienced Meaning on 9/11, profound Meaning, and the other half of society just saw a reality-TV disaster movie that distracted them temporarily from their own navels. They were shaken, but their best trick — arguably their only trick — is getting over things. That's what makes them liberals. Nothing upsets them. You could break into their house and rape their wife and murder their kids and the biggest problem they're going to face is how to get over it, move past it and get on with their lives. It's a complete disconnect from reality. This was what my team never understood about your team until the aftermath of 9/11. You are so self-insulated from outside reality, so far immersed in contemplating your own navels, that there is no common frame of reference for us to have a discussion about most things. Even your own possessions oscillate between being included with your navel and being excluded from your navel.

      "I hate myself because I have so much and so many people in the world have so little," is arguably the noble-sounding sentiment which underlies all socialism and all liberalism. Historically, there are very few blue-collar socialists, particularly in positions of leadership. Most socialists are comfortably or well off as compared to the workers they purport to represent. So, it seems to me that socialism and liberalism are largely the "acting out" of guilt feelings over abundance. Well, fine. Figure out how much you think you need to keep and give the rest to the poor. But, it doesn't matter whether it's Muslim fundamentalists or communists, liberals, it seems to me, spend their lives preparing themselves for the day when someone ELSE is going to come and take everything away from them and anguishing because they know, in order to be the people they're pretending to be — the Woodstock generation — they should be the ones taking it away from themselves. It is as if being prepared to have everything taken away and hating yourself for owning an over-abundance of material possessions is the same thing as giving that over-abundance to the poor. It isn't.

      Just because you feel more guilty about being rich than a rich conservative does doesn't make you a better person. I mean, I'm trying not to be offensive here, but virtually everything you've written in your letter strikes me as a way of evading central realities in your life. Your seeing significance in Patricia Smith Churchland's seeing significance in all of the different ways that other species perceive — bees and bats and what-not — and all we have are our five senses…I just don't see any…actual…larger point. What I see (or what I think I see) is someone attempting to establish a larger point, like a child who becomes absorbed in everything going on in the dining room except for the bowl of strained vegetables and the fork attempting to find its mouth even though at some level it knows the strained vegetables are far more important than the interesting way the bib is stuck in the corner of the high chair. All is not as it seems! The bees and the bats shall lead us! Hearken unto these hitherto overlooked citizens of Starship Earth! They see things we don't see! They're bees and bats, B. For crying out loud.

      Well, obviously, I think you're trying to get me to walk around in liberal circles with you when you take umbrage at being declared a member of a team. Not a "team" (in quotation marks) to me. A team. You write, "Just for the record, I don't give a whit how many women artists there are — or aren't." Well, of course you don't. I'm the one trying to draw your attention to how few there are and the fact that they are all pretty much second stringers. You seem to be suggesting that I'm somehow forcing you to evade reality. And I don't think that's the case. I think you're evading reality just fine on your own. You acknowledge the preeminence of men in exactly the way that I have for the last ten years: "Virginia Woolf isn't James Joyce; Anais Nin isn't Henry Miller; Flannery O'Connor isn't William Faulkner; and Anne E. Proulx isn't Cormac McCarthy." Well, yes. Exactly so. And, may I say, very nicely paired thematically and motivationally all down the line. And then you finish with, "But, quite simply, so what?"

      My answer would be, "So: reality." The reality that your team is determined to evade, the reality which led to my being ostracized just for pointing it out. That, to me, is "so what." The plain fact of the matter is that the team on which you find yourself — there really is no middle ground — believes fervently that there is a co-equivalence in each of those pairings. In fact, most of the team on which you find yourself would consider the reverse to be true. That if all of those pairings were fairly and accurately judged with a loving heart, the women would all come out on top. Which they would. There is no reality so demonstrably self-evident that it can't be overturned by a loving heart determined to embrace a lie in the interests of making everyone feel good. A loving heart is the ultimate tyranny. If you feel badly enough for second stringers, you will change your perception so that they are first stringers and decide that you have wrought a great act of justice upon the Lands of the Quality Lit Biz. We don't do that over here on my team. My team does not make sure that for every male name on any list there is a female name. My team acknowledges quality in women where and when we find it. If that's one in ten, that's one in ten. If that's one in twenty, that's one in twenty. You would have to pry my copy of [Muriel Spark's] The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie from my cold, dead fingers. But if we come up with five male names, we don't automatically go scrambling for five second stringers and knock them up several weight classes in the interests of numerical parity. That's what makes the two teams. I think one of the reasons you're writing to me is that you are coming to understand that you're on the wrong team and you have been for some time. Other times you think that I'm on the...

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    • Chris W
      ... He took a fall and hurt himself a year or so ago. He had expensive root canals last year. He s got the flu and Gerhard left him. What is God trying to
      Message 2 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
        --- Jeff Tundis <jctundis@...> wrote:

        >
        > Dave Sim's Collected Letters Volume 2 will be
        > released in late
        > spring/early summer 2007. Until Dave (who currently
        > has the flu) is
        > feeling better – and to whet your appetite for the
        > book! -- The Blog
        > & Mail will run two-page excerpts from the
        > manuscript each day.

        He took a fall and hurt himself a year or so ago. He
        had expensive root canals last year. He's got the flu
        and Gerhard left him.

        What is God trying to tell him?



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      • vjesus7734
        ... Keep up the good work, you re on the right track? -sl
        Message 3 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
          --- ChrisW wrote:

          > He took a fall and hurt himself a year or so ago. He
          > had expensive root canals last year. He's got the flu
          > and Gerhard left him.
          >
          > What is God trying to tell him?

          Keep up the good work, you're on the right track?


          -sl
        • Chris W
          ... Which reminds me, is Ger still a member of this group? ... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a
          Message 4 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
            --- vjesus7734 <stanley.lieber@...> wrote:

            > --- ChrisW wrote:
            >
            > > He took a fall and hurt himself a year or so ago.
            > He
            > > had expensive root canals last year. He's got the
            > flu
            > > and Gerhard left him.
            > >
            > > What is God trying to tell him?
            >
            > Keep up the good work, you're on the right track?
            >
            >
            > -sl
            >
            >
            >

            Which reminds me, is Ger still a member of this group?


            >
            >




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          • Margaret
            ... The membership rolls still have him listed, though I doubt he has time to being reading many (if any) posts. Take care, Margaret http://www.cereb.us/wiki
            Message 5 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
              --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
              >
              > Which reminds me, is Ger still a member of this group?

              The membership "rolls" still have him listed, though I doubt he has
              time to being reading many (if any) posts.

              Take care,
              Margaret
              http://www.cereb.us/wiki
            • ctowner1@gmail.com
              ... Actually, he wrote to me and mentioned that he WILL keep tabs on the Group, and post to the extent that he has something fo interest. e L nny
              Message 6 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
                On 1/24/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:
                > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                > >
                > > Which reminds me, is Ger still a member of this group?
                >
                > The membership "rolls" still have him listed, though I doubt he has
                > time to being reading many (if any) posts.
                >
                > Take care,
                > Margaret>>

                Actually, he wrote to me and mentioned that he WILL "keep tabs" on the
                Group, and post to the extent that he has something fo interest.

                e
                L nny
              • Mike Kitchen
                ... This is good news. I am curious if it will still be possible to still get a commissioned Gerhard background, over commissioned Dave Sim characters... I
                Message 7 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
                  --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, ctowner1@... wrote:
                  >
                  > On 1/24/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:
                  > > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Which reminds me, is Ger still a member of this group?
                  > >
                  > > The membership "rolls" still have him listed, though I doubt he has
                  > > time to being reading many (if any) posts.
                  > >
                  > > Take care,
                  > > Margaret>>
                  >
                  > Actually, he wrote to me and mentioned that he WILL "keep tabs" on the
                  > Group, and post to the extent that he has something fo interest.
                  >
                  > e
                  > L nny
                  >


                  This is good news.
                  I am curious if it will still be possible to still get a commissioned
                  Gerhard background, over commissioned Dave Sim characters...

                  I always wanted one of those...
                  Never had the funds...


                  I was also thinking that this would be an article I'd like to read in
                  Following Cerebus. I've always been interested in the inner workings
                  of Aardvark-Vanaheim, however with this recent development, I'm all
                  the more curious about what happened, and how things will be resolved.

                  I've always considered Dave and Ger's business partnership to be the
                  pinnacle of an artistic collaboration.
                • Larry
                  ... It was certainly the *apperance* of that. I suspect that the effort required to keep up appearances finally was not worthwhile to the participants.
                  Message 8 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
                    --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Kitchen" <ultraists@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > I've always considered Dave and Ger's business partnership to be the
                    > pinnacle of an artistic collaboration.
                    >

                    It was certainly the *apperance* of that. I suspect that the effort
                    required to "keep up appearances" finally was not worthwhile to the
                    participants. Thus the inevitable comparison to a divorce.

                    - Larry Hart
                  • ctowner1@gmail.com
                    ... Dave: Ger, we have to split up. Ger: But Dave! What about the children??? Dave: Good point, waht say we finish the full 300 and hang in there an extra 3
                    Message 9 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
                      On 1/24/07, Larry <larrytheillini@...> wrote:
                      > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Kitchen" <ultraists@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > I've always considered Dave and Ger's business partnership to be the
                      > > pinnacle of an artistic collaboration.
                      > >
                      >
                      > It was certainly the *apperance* of that. I suspect that the effort
                      > required to "keep up appearances" finally was not worthwhile to the
                      > participants. Thus the inevitable comparison to a divorce.
                      >
                      > - Larry Hart>>

                      Dave: Ger, we have to split up.
                      Ger: But Dave! What about the children???
                      Dave: Good point, waht say we finish the full 300 and hang in there an
                      extra 3 years!
                      Ger: Well...for the children...OK!

                      e
                      L nny
                    • Rick Sharer
                      ... SON OF CEREBUS TTM ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts
                      Message 10 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
                        --- Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:

                        >
                        > --- Jeff Tundis <jctundis@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        > > Dave Sim's Collected Letters Volume 2 will be
                        > > released in late
                        > > spring/early summer 2007. Until Dave (who
                        > currently
                        > > has the flu) is
                        > > feeling better – and to whet your appetite for the
                        > > book! -- The Blog
                        > > & Mail will run two-page excerpts from the
                        > > manuscript each day.
                        >
                        > He took a fall and hurt himself a year or so ago.
                        > He
                        > had expensive root canals last year. He's got the
                        > flu
                        > and Gerhard left him.
                        >
                        > What is God trying to tell him?

                        SON OF CEREBUS

                        TTM




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                      • Jeff Tundis
                        ... -Jeff Yellow Sun - The Raconteurs
                        Message 11 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
                          --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > --- Jeff Tundis <jctundis@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > >
                          > > Dave Sim's Collected Letters Volume 2 will be
                          > > released in late
                          > > spring/early summer 2007. Until Dave (who currently
                          > > has the flu) is
                          > > feeling better – and to whet your appetite for the
                          > > book! -- The Blog
                          > > & Mail will run two-page excerpts from the
                          > > manuscript each day.
                          >
                          > He took a fall and hurt himself a year or so ago. He
                          > had expensive root canals last year. He's got the flu
                          > and Gerhard left him.
                          >
                          > What is God trying to tell him?
                          >
                          >

                          -------- He has survived it all. What do you think?

                          -Jeff

                          "Yellow Sun" - The Raconteurs
                        • Jeff Tundis
                          ... has ... on the ... commissioned ... impression that everything will be handled seperately. Contact Dave for dave work. Contact Ger for Ger work. ... some
                          Message 12 of 28 , Jan 24, 2007
                            --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Kitchen" <ultraists@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, ctowner1@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > On 1/24/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@> wrote:
                            > > > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@> wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Which reminds me, is Ger still a member of this group?
                            > > >
                            > > > The membership "rolls" still have him listed, though I doubt he
                            has
                            > > > time to being reading many (if any) posts.
                            > > >
                            > > > Take care,
                            > > > Margaret>>
                            > >
                            > > Actually, he wrote to me and mentioned that he WILL "keep tabs"
                            on the
                            > > Group, and post to the extent that he has something fo interest.
                            > >
                            > > e
                            > > L nny
                            > >
                            >
                            >
                            > This is good news.
                            > I am curious if it will still be possible to still get a
                            commissioned
                            > Gerhard background, over commissioned Dave Sim characters...
                            >
                            > I always wanted one of those...
                            > Never had the funds...
                            >

                            --------- That is still being worked out. Dave is under the
                            impression that everything will be handled seperately. Contact Dave
                            for dave work. Contact Ger for Ger work.

                            --------- The CerebusArt.com website will be updated, but it may be
                            some time before all the pieces fall into place and a suitable
                            arrangement can be met.

                            -Jeff

                            "Hope" - Roy Harper
                          • Chris W
                            ... I ve been curious too. I assume Ger will still get his share of the phone book and original art page sales (because it s tough to imagine Dave even
                            Message 13 of 28 , Jan 25, 2007
                              --- Mike Kitchen <ultraists@...> wrote:

                              > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, ctowner1@... wrote:
                              > >
                              > > On 1/24/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:
                              > > > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W
                              > <show_me68508@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Which reminds me, is Ger still a member of
                              > this group?
                              > > >
                              > > > The membership "rolls" still have him listed,
                              > though I doubt he has
                              > > > time to being reading many (if any) posts.
                              > > >
                              > > > Take care,
                              > > > Margaret>>
                              > >
                              > > Actually, he wrote to me and mentioned that he
                              > WILL "keep tabs" on the
                              > > Group, and post to the extent that he has
                              > something fo interest.
                              > >
                              > > e
                              > > L nny
                              > >
                              >
                              >
                              > This is good news.
                              > I am curious if it will still be possible to still
                              > get a commissioned
                              > Gerhard background, over commissioned Dave Sim
                              > characters...
                              >
                              > I always wanted one of those...
                              > Never had the funds...
                              >
                              >
                              > I was also thinking that this would be an article
                              > I'd like to read in
                              > Following Cerebus. I've always been interested in
                              > the inner workings
                              > of Aardvark-Vanaheim, however with this recent
                              > development, I'm all
                              > the more curious about what happened, and how things
                              > will be resolved.
                              >

                              I've been curious too. I assume Ger will still get
                              his share of the phone book and original art page
                              sales (because it's tough to imagine Dave even
                              considering a business arrangement where he would be
                              taking the money from someone else's creative work),
                              so I've been wondering just what Dave would be
                              acquiring with buying out Ger's 40% share of
                              Aardvark-Vanaheim. They just don't have much in the
                              way of assets as far as we know. Printing and storage
                              bills, art supplies. Dave lives in the studio, so
                              he's pretty much taken that over. Investment and
                              insurance plans, I don't have a clue what's involved
                              in turning that from a two-man operation to a one-man.



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                            • Chris W
                              ... So has his mother. He obviously think God s sending her a message. ...
                              Message 14 of 28 , Jan 25, 2007
                                --- Jeff Tundis <jctundis@...> wrote:

                                > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W
                                > <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- Jeff Tundis <jctundis@...> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Dave Sim's Collected Letters Volume 2 will be
                                > > > released in late
                                > > > spring/early summer 2007. Until Dave (who
                                > currently
                                > > > has the flu) is
                                > > > feeling better – and to whet your appetite for
                                > the
                                > > > book! -- The Blog
                                > > > & Mail will run two-page excerpts from the
                                > > > manuscript each day.
                                > >
                                > > He took a fall and hurt himself a year or so ago.
                                > He
                                > > had expensive root canals last year. He's got the
                                > flu
                                > > and Gerhard left him.
                                > >
                                > > What is God trying to tell him?
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
                                > -------- He has survived it all. What do you think?
                                >
                                > -Jeff
                                >

                                So has his mother. He obviously think God's sending
                                her a message.

                                > "Yellow Sun" - The Raconteurs
                                >
                                >




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                              • Larry
                                ... I suspect it is difficult. In fact, this aspect of the split is what most resembles turning a married couple into two separate individuals (with a child
                                Message 15 of 28 , Jan 25, 2007
                                  --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I've been curious too. I assume Ger will still get
                                  > his share of the phone book and original art page
                                  > sales (because it's tough to imagine Dave even
                                  > considering a business arrangement where he would be
                                  > taking the money from someone else's creative work),
                                  > so I've been wondering just what Dave would be
                                  > acquiring with buying out Ger's 40% share of
                                  > Aardvark-Vanaheim. They just don't have much in the
                                  > way of assets as far as we know. Printing and storage
                                  > bills, art supplies. Dave lives in the studio, so
                                  > he's pretty much taken that over. Investment and
                                  > insurance plans, I don't have a clue what's involved
                                  > in turning that from a two-man operation to a one-man.
                                  >

                                  I suspect it is difficult. In fact, this aspect of the split is
                                  what most resembles turning a married couple into two separate
                                  individuals (with a child in common) again.

                                  My mother-in-law is half-owner of a Danish business. With both
                                  partners getting up in years, she (Mom-in-law) would love to sell
                                  the business, but he (Danish partner) is the type who is going to
                                  run it until he dies. This presents a real problem for Mom.
                                  Neither partner can afford to buy the other out, and there's no good
                                  way for her to sell *her* half of the business to a third party.
                                  And she's not in a position to run the Danish business by herself,
                                  nor are any of his kids interested. So if he dies, the business
                                  might become worthless. Believe me, this is a big deal.

                                  While not exactly the same situation, I suspect Dave's and Ger's
                                  parallels this in important ways.

                                  - Larry Hart
                                • Chris W
                                  ... Why is there no good way for her to sell her half? No one interested in buying? Dave s been up-front, if Ger died, Rose would get Ger s share. The
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Jan 25, 2007
                                    --- Larry <larrytheillini@...> wrote:

                                    > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W
                                    > <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I've been curious too. I assume Ger will still
                                    > get
                                    > > his share of the phone book and original art page
                                    > > sales (because it's tough to imagine Dave even
                                    > > considering a business arrangement where he would
                                    > be
                                    > > taking the money from someone else's creative
                                    > work),
                                    > > so I've been wondering just what Dave would be
                                    > > acquiring with buying out Ger's 40% share of
                                    > > Aardvark-Vanaheim. They just don't have much in
                                    > the
                                    > > way of assets as far as we know. Printing and
                                    > storage
                                    > > bills, art supplies. Dave lives in the studio, so
                                    > > he's pretty much taken that over. Investment and
                                    > > insurance plans, I don't have a clue what's
                                    > involved
                                    > > in turning that from a two-man operation to a
                                    > one-man.
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > I suspect it is difficult. In fact, this aspect of
                                    > the split is
                                    > what most resembles turning a married couple into
                                    > two separate
                                    > individuals (with a child in common) again.
                                    >
                                    > My mother-in-law is half-owner of a Danish business.
                                    > With both
                                    > partners getting up in years, she (Mom-in-law) would
                                    > love to sell
                                    > the business, but he (Danish partner) is the type
                                    > who is going to
                                    > run it until he dies. This presents a real problem
                                    > for Mom.
                                    > Neither partner can afford to buy the other out, and
                                    > there's no good
                                    > way for her to sell *her* half of the business to a
                                    > third party.
                                    > And she's not in a position to run the Danish
                                    > business by herself,
                                    > nor are any of his kids interested. So if he dies,
                                    > the business
                                    > might become worthless. Believe me, this is a big
                                    > deal.
                                    >
                                    > While not exactly the same situation, I suspect
                                    > Dave's and Ger's
                                    > parallels this in important ways.
                                    >
                                    > - Larry Hart
                                    >
                                    >

                                    Why is there no good way for her to sell her half? No
                                    one interested in buying? Dave's been up-front, if
                                    Ger died, Rose would get Ger's share.

                                    The divorce parallels do keep showing themself. Who's
                                    going to help Dave with computer stuff now? And,
                                    given that he's always complaining about having no
                                    time, what happens now that he has to do all the
                                    office work, plus backgrounds for "Following Cerebus"
                                    and other commissions.



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                                  • Larry
                                    ... Exactly. A buyer wants controlling interest. No one is likely to buy 40% of Aardvark-Vanaheim from Ger. As you said, what would they be paying the money
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Jan 25, 2007
                                      --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > Neither partner can afford to buy the other out, and
                                      > > there's no good
                                      > > way for her to sell *her* half of the business to a
                                      > > third party.
                                      > > ...
                                      > > While not exactly the same situation, I suspect
                                      > > Dave's and Ger's
                                      > > parallels this in important ways.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      > Why is there no good way for her to sell her half? No
                                      > one interested in buying?

                                      Exactly. A buyer wants controlling interest. No one is likely to
                                      buy 40% of Aardvark-Vanaheim from Ger. As you said, what would they
                                      be paying the money for?

                                      > Dave's been up-front, if
                                      > Ger died, Rose would get Ger's share.
                                      >

                                      And what exactly would Rose do with it (other than try to sell it)?
                                      My mother-in-law's situation is similar in that her partner's kids
                                      will inherit after death, but all they'll want to do is sell his
                                      half. At *that* point, they could all sell together, no problem.
                                      Except that no one else in Denmark seems interested in running the
                                      business at all. There may be no interested buyers, period.

                                      That might also be the situation with Aardvark-Vanaheim.

                                      > The divorce parallels do keep showing themself. Who's
                                      > going to help Dave with computer stuff now? And,
                                      > given that he's always complaining about having no
                                      > time, what happens now that he has to do all the
                                      > office work, plus backgrounds for "Following Cerebus"
                                      > and other commissions.
                                      >

                                      Maybe that's what God was trying to tell him?

                                      - Larry Hart
                                    • Jeff Tundis
                                      ... -Jeff ;)
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Jan 26, 2007
                                        --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- Jeff Tundis <jctundis@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W
                                        > > <show_me68508@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- Jeff Tundis <jctundis@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Dave Sim's Collected Letters Volume 2 will be
                                        > > > > released in late
                                        > > > > spring/early summer 2007. Until Dave (who
                                        > > currently
                                        > > > > has the flu) is
                                        > > > > feeling better – and to whet your appetite for
                                        > > the
                                        > > > > book! -- The Blog
                                        > > > > & Mail will run two-page excerpts from the
                                        > > > > manuscript each day.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > He took a fall and hurt himself a year or so ago.
                                        > > He
                                        > > > had expensive root canals last year. He's got the
                                        > > flu
                                        > > > and Gerhard left him.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > What is God trying to tell him?
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > -------- He has survived it all. What do you think?
                                        > >
                                        > > -Jeff
                                        > >
                                        >
                                        > So has his mother. He obviously think God's sending
                                        > her a message.
                                        >
                                        > > "Yellow Sun" - The Raconteurs
                                        > >
                                        > >

                                        ----------- Dave is the new Job?

                                        -Jeff ;)
                                      • Jeff Tundis
                                        ... keeping. Commissions and cover work will be Dave-only (he s more than capable). -Jeff
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Jan 26, 2007
                                          --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > --- Larry <larrytheillini@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W
                                          > > <show_me68508@> wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I've been curious too. I assume Ger will still
                                          > > get
                                          > > > his share of the phone book and original art page
                                          > > > sales (because it's tough to imagine Dave even
                                          > > > considering a business arrangement where he would
                                          > > be
                                          > > > taking the money from someone else's creative
                                          > > work),
                                          > > > so I've been wondering just what Dave would be
                                          > > > acquiring with buying out Ger's 40% share of
                                          > > > Aardvark-Vanaheim. They just don't have much in
                                          > > the
                                          > > > way of assets as far as we know. Printing and
                                          > > storage
                                          > > > bills, art supplies. Dave lives in the studio, so
                                          > > > he's pretty much taken that over. Investment and
                                          > > > insurance plans, I don't have a clue what's
                                          > > involved
                                          > > > in turning that from a two-man operation to a
                                          > > one-man.
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          > > I suspect it is difficult. In fact, this aspect of
                                          > > the split is
                                          > > what most resembles turning a married couple into
                                          > > two separate
                                          > > individuals (with a child in common) again.
                                          > >
                                          > > My mother-in-law is half-owner of a Danish business.
                                          > > With both
                                          > > partners getting up in years, she (Mom-in-law) would
                                          > > love to sell
                                          > > the business, but he (Danish partner) is the type
                                          > > who is going to
                                          > > run it until he dies. This presents a real problem
                                          > > for Mom.
                                          > > Neither partner can afford to buy the other out, and
                                          > > there's no good
                                          > > way for her to sell *her* half of the business to a
                                          > > third party.
                                          > > And she's not in a position to run the Danish
                                          > > business by herself,
                                          > > nor are any of his kids interested. So if he dies,
                                          > > the business
                                          > > might become worthless. Believe me, this is a big
                                          > > deal.
                                          > >
                                          > > While not exactly the same situation, I suspect
                                          > > Dave's and Ger's
                                          > > parallels this in important ways.
                                          > >
                                          > > - Larry Hart
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          >
                                          > Why is there no good way for her to sell her half? No
                                          > one interested in buying? Dave's been up-front, if
                                          > Ger died, Rose would get Ger's share.
                                          >
                                          > The divorce parallels do keep showing themself. Who's
                                          > going to help Dave with computer stuff now? And,
                                          > given that he's always complaining about having no
                                          > time, what happens now that he has to do all the
                                          > office work, plus backgrounds for "Following Cerebus"
                                          > and other commissions.
                                          >
                                          >

                                          --------- He already has someone coming in to help with the book
                                          keeping. Commissions and cover work will be Dave-only (he's more
                                          than capable).

                                          -Jeff
                                        • Jeff Tundis
                                          ... they ... sales (and all the film negatives), an archive of thousands (?) of pages of original artwork. The value of the liscence is questionable, as Dave
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Jan 26, 2007
                                            --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, "Larry" <larrytheillini@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, Chris W <show_me68508@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > > Neither partner can afford to buy the other out, and
                                            > > > there's no good
                                            > > > way for her to sell *her* half of the business to a
                                            > > > third party.
                                            > > > ...
                                            > > > While not exactly the same situation, I suspect
                                            > > > Dave's and Ger's
                                            > > > parallels this in important ways.
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Why is there no good way for her to sell her half? No
                                            > > one interested in buying?
                                            >
                                            > Exactly. A buyer wants controlling interest. No one is likely to
                                            > buy 40% of Aardvark-Vanaheim from Ger. As you said, what would
                                            they
                                            > be paying the money for?
                                            >
                                            > - Larry Hart
                                            >

                                            ---------- Well, there's potential sales of trades based on past
                                            sales (and all the film negatives), an archive of thousands (?) of
                                            pages of original artwork. The value of the liscence is
                                            questionable, as Dave does not want to liscense Cerebus out. Other
                                            than that, I don't know.

                                            ---------- Interesting question, but I'm no business expert.

                                            -Jeff
                                          • Chris W
                                            ... But won t his new assistant quit when she finds out what he s writing? :P
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Jan 27, 2007
                                              > --------- He already has someone coming in to help
                                              > with the book
                                              > keeping. Commissions and cover work will be
                                              > Dave-only (he's more
                                              > than capable).
                                              >
                                              > -Jeff
                                              >
                                              >

                                              But won't his new assistant quit when she finds out
                                              what he's writing? :P



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                                            • Margaret
                                              ... bah. like some girl is going to read all those comics. -- Take care, Margaret http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Jan 27, 2007
                                                On 1/27/07, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                                > --------- He already has someone coming in to help
                                                > with the book
                                                > keeping. Commissions and cover work will be
                                                > Dave-only (he's more
                                                > than capable).
                                                >
                                                > -Jeff
                                                >
                                                >

                                                But won't his new assistant quit when she finds out
                                                what he's writing? :P

                                                bah. like some girl is going to read all those comics.

                                                --
                                                Take care,
                                                Margaret
                                                http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
                                              • John L
                                                ... Cooties! John L (see? on-topic)
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Jan 27, 2007
                                                  On 1/27/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:


                                                  On 1/27/07, Chris W <show_me68508@... > wrote:
                                                  > --------- He already has someone coming in to help
                                                  > with the book
                                                  > keeping. Commissions and cover work will be
                                                  > Dave-only (he's more
                                                  > than capable).
                                                  >
                                                  > -Jeff
                                                  >
                                                  >

                                                  But won't his new assistant quit when she finds out
                                                  what he's writing? :P

                                                  bah. like some girl is going to read all those comics.

                                                  --
                                                  Take care,
                                                  Margaret
                                                  http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
                                                   
                                                  Cooties!
                                                   
                                                  John L (see? on-topic)

                                                   
                                                • ctowner1@gmail.com
                                                  ... Maybe she s an undercover LuLu agent, sent to spy on Dave. Has she been properly vetted? ;^P e L nny
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Jan 27, 2007
                                                    On 1/27/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:


                                                    On 1/27/07, Chris W <show_me68508@... > wrote:
                                                    > --------- He already has someone coming in to help
                                                    > with the book
                                                    > keeping. Commissions and cover work will be
                                                    > Dave-only (he's more
                                                    > than capable).
                                                    >
                                                    > -Jeff
                                                    >
                                                    >

                                                    But won't his new assistant quit when she finds out
                                                    what he's writing? :P

                                                    bah. like some girl is going to read all those comics.

                                                    --
                                                    Take care,
                                                    Margaret>>
                                                     
                                                     
                                                    Maybe she's an undercover LuLu agent, sent to spy on Dave.  Has she been properly vetted? ;^P
                                                     
                                                    e
                                                    L nny

                                                     
                                                  • Jeff Tundis
                                                    ... -Jeff ;^D
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Jan 27, 2007
                                                      --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, "John L" <cerebus87@...> wrote:
                                                      >
                                                      > On 1/27/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > On 1/27/07, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > > --------- He already has someone coming in to help
                                                      > > > > with the book
                                                      > > > > keeping. Commissions and cover work will be
                                                      > > > > Dave-only (he's more
                                                      > > > > than capable).
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > > -Jeff
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > But won't his new assistant quit when she finds out
                                                      > > > what he's writing? :P
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > bah. like some girl is going to read all those comics.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --
                                                      > > Take care,
                                                      > > Margaret
                                                      > > http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
                                                      > >
                                                      >
                                                      > Cooties!
                                                      >
                                                      > John L (see? on-topic)
                                                      >

                                                      --------- Bravo Sir. Bravo.

                                                      --------- Anyway, girls don't like comics...

                                                      --------- Except lesbians and feminists...

                                                      --------- And that's because they want to be men...

                                                      --------- Uh-oh, I'm in trouble.

                                                      --------- (Margaret likes guns, too!)

                                                      -Jeff ;^D
                                                    • Margaret
                                                      ... Naw, only real women love comics. ... What about lesbian feminists? ... gah! No, we just want to pretend we re men, to fool those silly straight girls
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , Jan 28, 2007
                                                        On 1/27/07, Jeff Tundis <jctundis@...> wrote:
                                                        --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, "John L" <cerebus87@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > On 1/27/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > On 1/27/07, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > > --------- He already has someone coming in to help
                                                        > > > > with the book
                                                        > > > > keeping. Commissions and cover work will be
                                                        > > > > Dave-only (he's more
                                                        > > > > than capable).
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > -Jeff
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > But won't his new assistant quit when she finds out
                                                        > > > what he's writing? :P
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > bah. like some girl is going to read all those comics.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > --
                                                        > > Take care,
                                                        > > Margaret
                                                        > > http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
                                                        > >
                                                        >
                                                        > Cooties!
                                                        >
                                                        > John L (see? on-topic)
                                                        >

                                                        --------- Bravo Sir. Bravo.

                                                        --------- Anyway, girls don't like comics...

                                                        Naw, only real women love comics.

                                                        --------- Except lesbians and feminists...

                                                        What about lesbian feminists?

                                                        --------- And that's because they want to be men...

                                                        gah! No, we just want to pretend we're men, to fool those silly straight girls 'cause they're so cute. . .

                                                        --------- Uh-oh, I'm in trouble.

                                                        You're on to us, we can't have that. . .

                                                        --------- (Margaret likes guns, too!)

                                                        Nothing beats the smell of carbon from the firing of rounds. . .well, except one smell. . . ::sigh::

                                                        https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcerebusfangirl.com%2Fuploads%2Fmaggiem60small.jpg&t=1513522692&sig=RrySJclBdyx7lZXHkM2KPA--~D

                                                        -Jeff ;^D


                                                        teehee.

                                                        --
                                                        Take care,
                                                        Margaret
                                                        http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
                                                      • John L
                                                        ... I m not sure green is your color. Did I already use this joke? I think so. John L
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , Jan 28, 2007
                                                          On 1/28/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:


                                                          On 1/27/07, Jeff Tundis <jctundis@... > wrote:
                                                          --- In cerebus@yahoogroups.com, "John L" <cerebus87@...> wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > On 1/27/07, Margaret <cerebusfangirl@...> wrote:
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > On 1/27/07, Chris W <show_me68508@...> wrote:
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > > --------- He already has someone coming in to help
                                                          > > > > with the book
                                                          > > > > keeping. Commissions and cover work will be
                                                          > > > > Dave-only (he's more
                                                          > > > > than capable).
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > -Jeff
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > But won't his new assistant quit when she finds out
                                                          > > > what he's writing? :P
                                                          > >
                                                          > >
                                                          > > bah. like some girl is going to read all those comics.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > --
                                                          > > Take care,
                                                          > > Margaret
                                                          > > http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
                                                          > >
                                                          >
                                                          > Cooties!
                                                          >
                                                          > John L (see? on-topic)
                                                          >

                                                          --------- Bravo Sir. Bravo.

                                                          --------- Anyway, girls don't like comics...

                                                          Naw, only real women love comics.
                                                           

                                                          --------- Except lesbians and feminists...

                                                          What about lesbian feminists?
                                                           

                                                          --------- And that's because they want to be men...

                                                          gah! No, we just want to pretend we're men, to fool those silly straight girls 'cause they're so cute. . .
                                                           

                                                          --------- Uh-oh, I'm in trouble.

                                                          You're on to us, we can't have that. . .
                                                           

                                                          --------- (Margaret likes guns, too!)

                                                          Nothing beats the smell of carbon from the firing of rounds. . .well, except one smell. . . ::sigh::

                                                          https://ec.yimg.com/ec?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcerebusfangirl.com%2Fuploads%2Fmaggiem60small.jpg&t=1513522692&sig=RrySJclBdyx7lZXHkM2KPA--~D
                                                           

                                                          -Jeff ;^D


                                                          teehee.

                                                          --
                                                          Take care,
                                                          Margaret
                                                          http://www.cerebusfangirl.com

                                                           
                                                           
                                                           
                                                          I'm not sure green is your color.  Did I already use this joke?  I think so.
                                                           
                                                          John L

                                                           
                                                        • Margaret
                                                          ... That joke will show me to get some new pictures! :P -- Take care, Margaret http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
                                                          Message 28 of 28 , Jan 28, 2007
                                                            On 1/28/07, John L <cerebus87@...> wrote:

                                                             
                                                            I'm not sure green is your color.  Did I already use this joke?  I think so.

                                                            That joke will show me to get some new pictures! :P

                                                            --
                                                            Take care,
                                                            Margaret
                                                            http://www.cerebusfangirl.com
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