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  • John Naldoza
    http://www.inq7.net/inf/2002/sep/05/inf_1-1.htm full text:) MICROSOFT EXEC SAYS: Open source may stop growth of local software industry Posted: 10:34 PM
    Message 1 of 19 , Sep 4, 2002
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      http://www.inq7.net/inf/2002/sep/05/inf_1-1.htm

      full text:)

      MICROSOFT EXEC SAYS:
      Open source may stop growth
      of local software industry
      Posted: 10:34 PM (Manila Time) | Sep.. 04, 2002
      By Erwin Lemuel G. Oliva
      INQ7.net

      Value proposition

      MICROSOFT officials said that commercial software has a place in Philippine government, which is now advocating the use of open source technology as an alternative to commercial software.

      While the idea of making the source code accessible to developers, Philippine government should also recognize the value of commercial software, said Michael Rawding, president of Microsoft's operations in Asia Pacific and Japan and corporate vice president of Microsoft Corp., during a briefing with local reporters.


      With much passion, Rawding argued that the "commercial software model has an intrinsic value, and has been responsible for millions of jobs over the years."

      Another Microsoft official went further, arguing that countries like Ireland, India and Israel have become software powerhouses because of the successful use of commercial software.

      "If a government bets on open source alone it is dangerous," Ahmed Chami, Microsoft director for South Asia region, declared.

      Rawding, for his part, noted that most systems in government these days run on Unix-based proprietary systems, which compared with Microsoft software is more expensive.

      The official said "people get a little bit fixated on open source" that they fail to realize that certain studies have shown that the total cost of ownership of Microsoft software is lower than Linux.

      Rawding argued that Linux is an "accumulation of various technologies" which does not have an organized support service.

      He also pointed out that commercial software has been developed by companies which spend billions on research and development.

      Linux, on other hand, has grown out of the efforts of various developers all over the world and "people have to spend a lot of time in making the open source plumbing work."

      Meanwhile, companies like Oracle and IBM would not make any money from commercial software if "cost-price performance" is the issue behind the preference for open source technology, he added.

      Rawding said that open source technology is even considered as an "economic disincentive" by some entrepreneurs.




      http://www.inq7.net/inf/2002/sep/05/inf_1-2.htm


      MICROSOFT EXEC SAYS:
      Open source may stop growth
      of local software industry
      Posted: 10:34 PM (Manila Time) | Sep.. 04, 2002
      By Erwin Lemuel G. Oliva
      INQ7.net

      Local users' view

      The Philippine government, through the Advance Science Technology Institute (ASTI) and the National Computer Center (NCC), has been advocating software applications developed using open source technology.

      This is primarily due to the cost-savings government expects from the use of open source software.


      "The primary benefit to government is the cost reduction that we get from not paying any licenses to software makers. Since government has a large budget deficit, through open source, this problem will be addressed," Erwin Dwight Ruiz, senior science research specialist of the Open Source Research Group of ASTI.

      ASTI is an attached agency of the Department of Science and Technology.

      The government agency has recently developed a packaged open source-based software that is being distributed among government agencies and the local academe, he said.

      "Countries like China or Argentina have been supporting open source. These countries represent some of the success stories for open source technology because this is the best alternative [to licensed software]," Ruiz said.

      He admitted, however, that support for open source technology is not as organized as commercial software but there are existing mailing lists on the Internet that are able to provide some form of support.

      Ruiz also said that part of the success of commercial software is due to the huge marketing muscle of companies like Microsoft, which spend billions in promoting their products.

      "Ours is usually by word of mouth," Ruiz said.

      Ruiz argued that software applications developed using open source technology could also be sold but at competitive rates compared with licensed software.

      ASTI has, for one, given out a local distribution of Linux-based applications to government in exchange for a minimal fee, he said.

      Early this year, Microsoft Philippine was able to enter an agreement with the Department of Budget and Management, allowing government agencies to purchase Microsoft software at half the price off the retail price, if they buy through the agency.

      Microsoft said that the agreement involves volume purchases.

      "We need to communicate with our partners in government that the total cost of ownership for Microsoft products is competitive," Rawding said.
    • Eben Ramos
      elr: i wonder what it could be in using open source that could be dangerous? its like the owner of a local bakery shop telling you its dangerous for you to
      Message 2 of 19 , Sep 4, 2002
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        elr: i wonder what it could be in using open source that could be
        "dangerous?" its like the owner of a local bakery shop telling you its
        dangerous for you to bake your own bread! these guys are really desperate!
        =) the only danger i see here is the danger to their revenue flow. there
        may be a danger if microsoft were a filipino company, of pinoys lossing
        jobs, but that is not the case.

        ==========

        John Naldoza writes:

        http://www.inq7.net/inf/2002/sep/05/inf_1-1.htm

        full text:)

        MICROSOFT EXEC SAYS:
        Open source may stop growth
        of local software industry
        Posted: 10:34 PM (Manila Time) | Sep.. 04, 2002
        By Erwin Lemuel G. Oliva
        INQ7.net

        Value proposition

        MICROSOFT officials said that commercial software has a place in Philippine
        government, which is now advocating the use of open source technology as an
        alternative to commercial software.

        While the idea of making the source code accessible to developers,
        Philippine government should also recognize the value of commercial
        software, said Michael Rawding, president of Microsoft's operations in Asia
        Pacific and Japan and corporate vice president of Microsoft Corp., during a
        briefing with local reporters.


        With much passion, Rawding argued that the "commercial software model has an
        intrinsic value, and has been responsible for millions of jobs over the
        years."

        Another Microsoft official went further, arguing that countries like
        Ireland, India and Israel have become software powerhouses because of the
        successful use of commercial software.

        "If a government bets on open source alone it is dangerous," Ahmed Chami,
        Microsoft director for South Asia region, declared.

        Rawding, for his part, noted that most systems in government these days run
        on Unix-based proprietary systems, which compared with Microsoft software is
        more expensive.

        The official said "people get a little bit fixated on open source" that they
        fail to realize that certain studies have shown that the total cost of
        ownership of Microsoft software is lower than Linux.

        Rawding argued that Linux is an "accumulation of various technologies" which
        does not have an organized support service.

        He also pointed out that commercial software has been developed by companies
        which spend billions on research and development.

        Linux, on other hand, has grown out of the efforts of various developers all
        over the world and "people have to spend a lot of time in making the open
        source plumbing work."

        Meanwhile, companies like Oracle and IBM would not make any money from
        commercial software if "cost-price performance" is the issue behind the
        preference for open source technology, he added.

        Rawding said that open source technology is even considered as an "economic
        disincentive" by some entrepreneurs.




        http://www.inq7.net/inf/2002/sep/05/inf_1-2.htm


        MICROSOFT EXEC SAYS:
        Open source may stop growth
        of local software industry
        Posted: 10:34 PM (Manila Time) | Sep.. 04, 2002
        By Erwin Lemuel G. Oliva
        INQ7.net

        Local users' view

        The Philippine government, through the Advance Science Technology Institute
        (ASTI) and the National Computer Center (NCC), has been advocating software
        applications developed using open source technology.

        This is primarily due to the cost-savings government expects from the use of
        open source software.


        "The primary benefit to government is the cost reduction that we get from
        not paying any licenses to software makers. Since government has a large
        budget deficit, through open source, this problem will be addressed," Erwin
        Dwight Ruiz, senior science research specialist of the Open Source Research
        Group of ASTI.

        ASTI is an attached agency of the Department of Science and Technology.

        The government agency has recently developed a packaged open source-based
        software that is being distributed among government agencies and the local
        academe, he said.

        "Countries like China or Argentina have been supporting open source. These
        countries represent some of the success stories for open source technology
        because this is the best alternative [to licensed software]," Ruiz said.

        He admitted, however, that support for open source technology is not as
        organized as commercial software but there are existing mailing lists on the
        Internet that are able to provide some form of support.

        Ruiz also said that part of the success of commercial software is due to the
        huge marketing muscle of companies like Microsoft, which spend billions in
        promoting their products.

        "Ours is usually by word of mouth," Ruiz said.

        Ruiz argued that software applications developed using open source
        technology could also be sold but at competitive rates compared with
        licensed software.

        ASTI has, for one, given out a local distribution of Linux-based
        applications to government in exchange for a minimal fee, he said.

        Early this year, Microsoft Philippine was able to enter an agreement with
        the Department of Budget and Management, allowing government agencies to
        purchase Microsoft software at half the price off the retail price, if they
        buy through the agency.

        Microsoft said that the agreement involves volume purchases.

        "We need to communicate with our partners in government that the total cost
        of ownership for Microsoft products is competitive," Rawding said.



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      • nbi_agent
        ... John, you DO know it is crap. Shows only the low standard of this newspaper. Maybe good for wrapping the fish, but by no means for reading those articles.
        Message 3 of 19 , Sep 6, 2002
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          --- In ce-gnu-lug@y..., "John Naldoza" <john.naldoza@d...> wrote:

          > By Erwin Lemuel G. Oliva
          > INQ7.net

          John,

          you DO know it is crap. Shows only the low standard of this newspaper.
          Maybe good for wrapping the fish, but by no means for reading those
          articles.

          Linux is a much more robust, stable and secure operating system than
          anything else out there. In fact, universities and other large
          institutions have been using Linux in their big server computers for
          crunching large amounts of technical data, and the software powers
          many Web sites.

          For starters, IBM, long a supporter of Linux, is using the software in
          the computers and information systems that help to run the U.S. Open
          tennis championships. Game officials are working on Linux-powered
          laptop computers to keep track of game scores and highlight video and
          quickly send them out to various destinations.

          Also, Dell Computer Corp. recently unveiled what it's calling the
          biggest cluster of Linux server computers in the United States. They
          are at the State University of New York in Buffalo, where biomedical
          researchers and pharmaceutical companies will use them to look for
          cures for diseases. It's an effort akin to the decoding of the human
          genome.

          Finally, a new documentary film slowly making its way to art theaters
          and festivals around the country chronicles the rise of the Linux
          movement. "Revolution OS" may sound like it will appeal only to
          computer geeks, but its makers claim to spell out the meaning of the
          open-source movement in terms that will appeal to all moviegoers.

          Since Linux waddled onto the tech scene, Microsoft has done its best
          to shout it down, saying that open source methods threaten software
          security. The company and other critics say there is still no
          easy-to-install and user-friendly version of Linux for consumers to
          load onto their computers.Thought by now we should know better :-)

          Nevertheless, Linux is starting to gain momentum with computer
          companies as an alternative to Microsoft.

          May sound weird, while the pirates indirectly had been working for
          Microsoft, the army of hackers and virus authors working for Linux
          now. Each MS system cracked, one score for Linux.Have you checked your
          log lately? Also your snort log? Microsoft user still haven't got the
          smallest clue about what is going on.

          Viruses are gaining intelligence. Inquirer reader do lack this
          intelligence. They simply will have to learn the hard way :-)

          JJ
        • Horatio B. Bogbindero
          ... M$ will have to protect their potential markets. the philippines is still considered an emerging market consider IT state of deployment. there is still a
          Message 4 of 19 , Sep 7, 2002
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            Surlignage Chito Ortiz <chito@...>:
            >
            > Just joined up. I've been trying to find a way to get the different OSS
            > groups (mailing lists or otherwise) to an eyeball meeting but it seems we
            > will have to settle for virtual interaction first.
            >
            M$ will have to protect their potential markets. the philippines
            is still considered an emerging market consider IT state of deployment.
            there is still a lot of room for growth. they would like to capture
            these new clients by doing some really funky marketting.

            also this is to stop CIO/CTOs and IT decisions makers from even looking
            at open source software. it is a know fact that a lot of IT shops have
            begun experimenting with OSS and most of them have positive results.

            this coming tuesday at zen in ayala. there will be a cyberpress even
            for OSS guys. i think there should be one in cebu too. just pick a place
            and have lunch!

            > This article of INQ7 is just the start of the salvo of Microsoft and it's
            > allies in the BSA to discredit OSS. You may well know that the NCC has just
            > released Bayanihan Linux which is aimed at the government desktop. I think
            > this and the fact the NCC is advocating the use of OSS that has the MS camp
            > worried.
            >
            bayanihan linux was primarily developed by the great gals and guys of DOST-ASTI.
            NCC and PLUG contributed some technical and other behavioral expertise. this
            is just the first step of the planned workplace linux project.

            > However, we must not allow the Dark Side to gather momentum. That is why Dr.
            > Jay Sabido, Director General of NCC has asked some people to join him in a
            > strategic session on how to counter this obviously well-funded campaign vs.
            > OSS. I will be going to the meeting in Manila this coming thursday and would
            > want to get your inputs and more importantly your support in this endeavour.
            >
            maybe you should be at Zen in Ayala Center, Makati at 3pm.

            > I've joined this group which is trying to form an Philippine Open Source
            > Consortium. Discussions are at openminds_ph@yahoogroups.com Please join up
            > because we need your inputs. I think that we should do something similar
            > here but not necessarily form another group. I'm not too familiar with all
            > the OSS groups in Cebu, anybody care to post a list?
            >
            first of all there is the Cebu GNU/Linux Users Grop (ce-gnu-lug) which is
            currently being headed by our fearless leader Little John (John Clark
            Naldoza ... and there is nothing little about him. hehehe.)

            maybe it would be best to get in touch with john and the rest of the
            ce-gnu-lug guys. but, if you have questions feel free to ask them
            on this list. btw, IBM global services resident linux expert is
            also based in cebu. hehehe. he writes an online column for inq7.net.

            for started checkout,

            http://www.software.ibm.com/linux/ - hear it from the big blue.

            > On Friday 06 September 2002 05:00 pm, you wrote:
            > > --- In ce-gnu-lug@y..., "John Naldoza" <john.naldoza@d...> wrote:
            > > > By Erwin Lemuel G. Oliva
            > > > INQ7.net
            > >
            > > John,
            > >
            > > you DO know it is crap. Shows only the low standard of this newspaper.
            > > Maybe good for wrapping the fish, but by no means for reading those
            > > articles.
            > >
            > > Linux is a much more robust, stable and secure operating system than
            > > anything else out there. In fact, universities and other large
            > > institutions have been using Linux in their big server computers for
            > > crunching large amounts of technical data, and the software powers
            > > many Web sites.
            > >
            > > For starters, IBM, long a supporter of Linux, is using the software in
            > > the computers and information systems that help to run the U.S. Open
            > > tennis championships. Game officials are working on Linux-powered
            > > laptop computers to keep track of game scores and highlight video and
            > > quickly send them out to various destinations.
            > >
            > > Also, Dell Computer Corp. recently unveiled what it's calling the
            > > biggest cluster of Linux server computers in the United States. They
            > > are at the State University of New York in Buffalo, where biomedical
            > > researchers and pharmaceutical companies will use them to look for
            > > cures for diseases. It's an effort akin to the decoding of the human
            > > genome.
            > >
            > > Finally, a new documentary film slowly making its way to art theaters
            > > and festivals around the country chronicles the rise of the Linux
            > > movement. "Revolution OS" may sound like it will appeal only to
            > > computer geeks, but its makers claim to spell out the meaning of the
            > > open-source movement in terms that will appeal to all moviegoers.
            > >
            > > Since Linux waddled onto the tech scene, Microsoft has done its best
            > > to shout it down, saying that open source methods threaten software
            > > security. The company and other critics say there is still no
            > > easy-to-install and user-friendly version of Linux for consumers to
            > > load onto their computers.Thought by now we should know better :-)
            > >
            > > Nevertheless, Linux is starting to gain momentum with computer
            > > companies as an alternative to Microsoft.
            > >
            > > May sound weird, while the pirates indirectly had been working for
            > > Microsoft, the army of hackers and virus authors working for Linux
            > > now. Each MS system cracked, one score for Linux.Have you checked your
            > > log lately? Also your snort log? Microsoft user still haven't got the
            > > smallest clue about what is going on.
            > >
            > > Viruses are gaining intelligence. Inquirer reader do lack this
            > > intelligence. They simply will have to learn the hard way :-)
            > >
            > > JJ
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
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          • Chito Ortiz
            Hi guys, Just joined up. I ve been trying to find a way to get the different OSS groups (mailing lists or otherwise) to an eyeball meeting but it seems we
            Message 5 of 19 , Sep 7, 2002
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              Hi guys,

              Just joined up. I've been trying to find a way to get the different OSS
              groups (mailing lists or otherwise) to an eyeball meeting but it seems we
              will have to settle for virtual interaction first.

              This article of INQ7 is just the start of the salvo of Microsoft and it's
              allies in the BSA to discredit OSS. You may well know that the NCC has just
              released Bayanihan Linux which is aimed at the government desktop. I think
              this and the fact the NCC is advocating the use of OSS that has the MS camp
              worried.

              However, we must not allow the Dark Side to gather momentum. That is why Dr.
              Jay Sabido, Director General of NCC has asked some people to join him in a
              strategic session on how to counter this obviously well-funded campaign vs.
              OSS. I will be going to the meeting in Manila this coming thursday and would
              want to get your inputs and more importantly your support in this endeavour.

              I've joined this group which is trying to form an Philippine Open Source
              Consortium. Discussions are at openminds_ph@yahoogroups.com Please join up
              because we need your inputs. I think that we should do something similar
              here but not necessarily form another group. I'm not too familiar with all
              the OSS groups in Cebu, anybody care to post a list?

              That's all for now,

              Chito






              On Friday 06 September 2002 05:00 pm, you wrote:
              > --- In ce-gnu-lug@y..., "John Naldoza" <john.naldoza@d...> wrote:
              > > By Erwin Lemuel G. Oliva
              > > INQ7.net
              >
              > John,
              >
              > you DO know it is crap. Shows only the low standard of this newspaper.
              > Maybe good for wrapping the fish, but by no means for reading those
              > articles.
              >
              > Linux is a much more robust, stable and secure operating system than
              > anything else out there. In fact, universities and other large
              > institutions have been using Linux in their big server computers for
              > crunching large amounts of technical data, and the software powers
              > many Web sites.
              >
              > For starters, IBM, long a supporter of Linux, is using the software in
              > the computers and information systems that help to run the U.S. Open
              > tennis championships. Game officials are working on Linux-powered
              > laptop computers to keep track of game scores and highlight video and
              > quickly send them out to various destinations.
              >
              > Also, Dell Computer Corp. recently unveiled what it's calling the
              > biggest cluster of Linux server computers in the United States. They
              > are at the State University of New York in Buffalo, where biomedical
              > researchers and pharmaceutical companies will use them to look for
              > cures for diseases. It's an effort akin to the decoding of the human
              > genome.
              >
              > Finally, a new documentary film slowly making its way to art theaters
              > and festivals around the country chronicles the rise of the Linux
              > movement. "Revolution OS" may sound like it will appeal only to
              > computer geeks, but its makers claim to spell out the meaning of the
              > open-source movement in terms that will appeal to all moviegoers.
              >
              > Since Linux waddled onto the tech scene, Microsoft has done its best
              > to shout it down, saying that open source methods threaten software
              > security. The company and other critics say there is still no
              > easy-to-install and user-friendly version of Linux for consumers to
              > load onto their computers.Thought by now we should know better :-)
              >
              > Nevertheless, Linux is starting to gain momentum with computer
              > companies as an alternative to Microsoft.
              >
              > May sound weird, while the pirates indirectly had been working for
              > Microsoft, the army of hackers and virus authors working for Linux
              > now. Each MS system cracked, one score for Linux.Have you checked your
              > log lately? Also your snort log? Microsoft user still haven't got the
              > smallest clue about what is going on.
              >
              > Viruses are gaining intelligence. Inquirer reader do lack this
              > intelligence. They simply will have to learn the hard way :-)
              >
              > JJ
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > To Post a message, send it to: ce-gnu-lug@...
              > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: ce-gnu-lug-unsubscribe@...
              >
              > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
            • Eben Ramos
              elr: hi, chito. try the PLUG (phil linux users group) list and/or cosi (cebu open source institute) list. plug is a list run from q-linux mailman while cosi
              Message 6 of 19 , Sep 8, 2002
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                elr: hi, chito. try the PLUG (phil linux users group) list and/or cosi
                (cebu open source institute) list. plug is a list run from q-linux mailman
                while cosi is at cosi-subscribe@... =)

                ===========

                Chito Ortiz writes:

                Hi guys,

                Just joined up. I've been trying to find a way to get the different OSS
                groups (mailing lists or otherwise) to an eyeball meeting but it seems we
                will have to settle for virtual interaction first.

                This article of INQ7 is just the start of the salvo of Microsoft and it's
                allies in the BSA to discredit OSS. You may well know that the NCC has just
                released Bayanihan Linux which is aimed at the government desktop. I think
                this and the fact the NCC is advocating the use of OSS that has the MS camp
                worried.

                However, we must not allow the Dark Side to gather momentum. That is why
                Dr.
                Jay Sabido, Director General of NCC has asked some people to join him in a
                strategic session on how to counter this obviously well-funded campaign vs.
                OSS. I will be going to the meeting in Manila this coming thursday and
                would
                want to get your inputs and more importantly your support in this endeavour.

                I've joined this group which is trying to form an Philippine Open Source
                Consortium. Discussions are at openminds_ph@yahoogroups.com Please join up
                because we need your inputs. I think that we should do something similar
                here but not necessarily form another group. I'm not too familiar with all
                the OSS groups in Cebu, anybody care to post a list?

                That's all for now,

                Chito



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              • Chito S. Ortiz
                Hi, Unfortunately, I can t be at Zen on Tuesday. However, the OpenMinds_ph people will be there in full force and I m sure the presscon will be a success. I
                Message 7 of 19 , Sep 9, 2002
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                  Hi,

                  Unfortunately, I can't be at Zen on Tuesday. However, the OpenMinds_ph
                  people will be there in full force and I'm sure the presscon will be a
                  success.

                  I hope that Dom Cimafranca will be at Thrusday's meeting too. We've
                  both agreed that there is a need to start something on OSS in Cebu and
                  Region VII. I think that what we need to do is be more active with
                  ce-gnu-lug or even the COSI. No need to create another org for this.

                  Whaddaya say JC? When do we meet?

                  Chito


                  On Sat, 2002-09-07 at 22:02, Horatio B. Bogbindero wrote:
                  > Surlignage Chito Ortiz <chito@...>:
                  > >
                  > > Just joined up. I've been trying to find a way to get the different OSS
                  > > groups (mailing lists or otherwise) to an eyeball meeting but it seems we
                  > > will have to settle for virtual interaction first.
                  > >
                  > M$ will have to protect their potential markets. the philippines
                  > is still considered an emerging market consider IT state of deployment.
                  > there is still a lot of room for growth. they would like to capture
                  > these new clients by doing some really funky marketting.
                  >
                  > also this is to stop CIO/CTOs and IT decisions makers from even looking
                  > at open source software. it is a know fact that a lot of IT shops have
                  > begun experimenting with OSS and most of them have positive results.
                  >
                  > this coming tuesday at zen in ayala. there will be a cyberpress even
                  > for OSS guys. i think there should be one in cebu too. just pick a place
                  > and have lunch!
                  >
                  > > This article of INQ7 is just the start of the salvo of Microsoft and it's
                  > > allies in the BSA to discredit OSS. You may well know that the NCC has just
                  > > released Bayanihan Linux which is aimed at the government desktop. I think
                  > > this and the fact the NCC is advocating the use of OSS that has the MS camp
                  > > worried.
                  > >
                  > bayanihan linux was primarily developed by the great gals and guys of DOST-ASTI.
                  > NCC and PLUG contributed some technical and other behavioral expertise. this
                  > is just the first step of the planned workplace linux project.
                  >
                  > > However, we must not allow the Dark Side to gather momentum. That is why Dr.
                  > > Jay Sabido, Director General of NCC has asked some people to join him in a
                  > > strategic session on how to counter this obviously well-funded campaign vs.
                  > > OSS. I will be going to the meeting in Manila this coming thursday and would
                  > > want to get your inputs and more importantly your support in this endeavour.
                  > >
                  > maybe you should be at Zen in Ayala Center, Makati at 3pm.
                  >
                  > > I've joined this group which is trying to form an Philippine Open Source
                  > > Consortium. Discussions are at openminds_ph@yahoogroups.com Please join up
                  > > because we need your inputs. I think that we should do something similar
                  > > here but not necessarily form another group. I'm not too familiar with all
                  > > the OSS groups in Cebu, anybody care to post a list?
                  > >
                  > first of all there is the Cebu GNU/Linux Users Grop (ce-gnu-lug) which is
                  > currently being headed by our fearless leader Little John (John Clark
                  > Naldoza ... and there is nothing little about him. hehehe.)
                  >
                  > maybe it would be best to get in touch with john and the rest of the
                  > ce-gnu-lug guys. but, if you have questions feel free to ask them
                  > on this list. btw, IBM global services resident linux expert is
                  > also based in cebu. hehehe. he writes an online column for inq7.net.
                  >
                  > for started checkout,
                  >
                  > http://www.software.ibm.com/linux/ - hear it from the big blue.
                  >
                  > > On Friday 06 September 2002 05:00 pm, you wrote:
                  > > > --- In ce-gnu-lug@y..., "John Naldoza" <john.naldoza@d...> wrote:
                  > > > > By Erwin Lemuel G. Oliva
                  > > > > INQ7.net
                  > > >
                  > > > John,
                  > > >
                  > > > you DO know it is crap. Shows only the low standard of this newspaper.
                  > > > Maybe good for wrapping the fish, but by no means for reading those
                  > > > articles.
                  > > >
                  > > > Linux is a much more robust, stable and secure operating system than
                  > > > anything else out there. In fact, universities and other large
                  > > > institutions have been using Linux in their big server computers for
                  > > > crunching large amounts of technical data, and the software powers
                  > > > many Web sites.
                  > > >
                  > > > For starters, IBM, long a supporter of Linux, is using the software in
                  > > > the computers and information systems that help to run the U.S. Open
                  > > > tennis championships. Game officials are working on Linux-powered
                  > > > laptop computers to keep track of game scores and highlight video and
                  > > > quickly send them out to various destinations.
                  > > >
                  > > > Also, Dell Computer Corp. recently unveiled what it's calling the
                  > > > biggest cluster of Linux server computers in the United States. They
                  > > > are at the State University of New York in Buffalo, where biomedical
                  > > > researchers and pharmaceutical companies will use them to look for
                  > > > cures for diseases. It's an effort akin to the decoding of the human
                  > > > genome.
                  > > >
                  > > > Finally, a new documentary film slowly making its way to art theaters
                  > > > and festivals around the country chronicles the rise of the Linux
                  > > > movement. "Revolution OS" may sound like it will appeal only to
                  > > > computer geeks, but its makers claim to spell out the meaning of the
                  > > > open-source movement in terms that will appeal to all moviegoers.
                  > > >
                  > > > Since Linux waddled onto the tech scene, Microsoft has done its best
                  > > > to shout it down, saying that open source methods threaten software
                  > > > security. The company and other critics say there is still no
                  > > > easy-to-install and user-friendly version of Linux for consumers to
                  > > > load onto their computers.Thought by now we should know better :-)
                  > > >
                  > > > Nevertheless, Linux is starting to gain momentum with computer
                  > > > companies as an alternative to Microsoft.
                  > > >
                  > > > May sound weird, while the pirates indirectly had been working for
                  > > > Microsoft, the army of hackers and virus authors working for Linux
                  > > > now. Each MS system cracked, one score for Linux.Have you checked your
                  > > > log lately? Also your snort log? Microsoft user still haven't got the
                  > > > smallest clue about what is going on.
                  > > >
                  > > > Viruses are gaining intelligence. Inquirer reader do lack this
                  > > > intelligence. They simply will have to learn the hard way :-)
                  > > >
                  > > > JJ
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
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                • Chito S. Ortiz
                  Hi Eben, I think that PLUG is pretty well covered by the OpenMinds_ph guys. I ve sent _another_subscribe request to the COSI group. Tried once but was not
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                    Hi Eben,

                    I think that PLUG is pretty well covered by the OpenMinds_ph guys. I've
                    sent _another_subscribe request to the COSI group. Tried once but was
                    not successful.

                    Chito




                    On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 21:12, Eben Ramos wrote:
                    > elr: hi, chito. try the PLUG (phil linux users group) list and/or cosi
                    > (cebu open source institute) list. plug is a list run from q-linux mailman
                    > while cosi is at cosi-subscribe@... =)
                    >
                    > ===========
                    >
                    > Chito Ortiz writes:
                    >
                    > Hi guys,
                    >
                    > Just joined up. I've been trying to find a way to get the different OSS
                    > groups (mailing lists or otherwise) to an eyeball meeting but it seems we
                    > will have to settle for virtual interaction first.
                    >
                    > This article of INQ7 is just the start of the salvo of Microsoft and it's
                    > allies in the BSA to discredit OSS. You may well know that the NCC has just
                    > released Bayanihan Linux which is aimed at the government desktop. I think
                    > this and the fact the NCC is advocating the use of OSS that has the MS camp
                    > worried.
                    >
                    > However, we must not allow the Dark Side to gather momentum. That is why
                    > Dr.
                    > Jay Sabido, Director General of NCC has asked some people to join him in a
                    > strategic session on how to counter this obviously well-funded campaign vs.
                    > OSS. I will be going to the meeting in Manila this coming thursday and
                    > would
                    > want to get your inputs and more importantly your support in this endeavour.
                    >
                    > I've joined this group which is trying to form an Philippine Open Source
                    > Consortium. Discussions are at openminds_ph@yahoogroups.com Please join up
                    > because we need your inputs. I think that we should do something similar
                    > here but not necessarily form another group. I'm not too familiar with all
                    > the OSS groups in Cebu, anybody care to post a list?
                    >
                    > That's all for now,
                    >
                    > Chito
                    >
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                  • John Naldoza
                    Hey Guys, Just checked my e-mail and a few other lists... Looks like some pretty interesting weeks and months await all of us, as we enter the stage of who
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                      Hey Guys,


                      Just checked my e-mail and a few other lists... Looks like some pretty interesting weeks and months await all of us, as we enter the stage of who gets the dough and doughnut.

                      There is one thing M$ has that we don't. They have a _UNITED_ voice. A solid one. We don't. Most of us still have the short-sided minds, we break ourselves down to SO MANY groups, we can't count which is which anymore! United we stand and divided we fall. Plain and simple.

                      IF we fail to achieve unity ( a pretty tall order, considering our history and our geography ), then half the battle is already lost. But we put forth our faith on guerilla tactics and hope these would be more effective that a large-scale frontal assualt :)

                      In other words, how shall we go about this?

                      a.) Meet up with the other leaders (via net meeting or something) and just feel our way through.

                      b.) Continue with what we are doing and just try to convert organizations from within :D

                      With M$ throwing it's weight all over the place and our economy being so close to shit as it can be, I believe the time is ripe to choose Option (a) and give proprietary software vendors something to think about... :)

                      So who's with me? ==> damn, everyone's so quite... oh well, maybe they're asleep :) <==


                      Cheers,


                      John Clark


                      > -----Original Message-----
                      > From: Eben Ramos [mailto:eben_r@...]
                      > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 11:13 PM
                      > To: ce-gnu-lug@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: [ce-gnu-lug] Re: looks like microsoft is at it
                      > again, in manila
                      > :)
                      >
                      >
                      > Chito S. Ortiz writes:
                      >
                      > elr: maayo ni ibala si jclark ngadto sa RITECC7, chit =) .
                      > labi na ron nga
                      > nagpakita ug interest si presidential adviser for central
                      > visayas oppus
                      > about OSS for government line agencies in CV. busy lang
                      > kaayo ni'ng tawhana
                      > (jclark).
                      > =======
                      >
                      > Hi,
                      >
                      > Unfortunately, I can't be at Zen on Tuesday. However, the
                      > OpenMinds_ph
                      > people will be there in full force and I'm sure the presscon will be a
                      > success.
                      >
                      > I hope that Dom Cimafranca will be at Thrusday's meeting too. We've
                      > both agreed that there is a need to start something on OSS in Cebu and
                      > Region VII. I think that what we need to do is be more active with
                      > ce-gnu-lug or even the COSI. No need to create another org for this.
                      >
                      > Whaddaya say JC? When do we meet?
                      >
                      > Chito
                      >
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                    • Eben Ramos
                      elr: i was about to subscribe you but i see you ve done it already =) . the list is likewise owned by jclark =) . ========= Chito S. Ortiz writes: Hi Eben, I
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                        elr: i was about to subscribe you but i see you've done it already =) . the
                        list is likewise owned by jclark =) .
                        =========

                        Chito S. Ortiz writes:

                        Hi Eben,

                        I think that PLUG is pretty well covered by the OpenMinds_ph guys. I've
                        sent _another_subscribe request to the COSI group. Tried once but was
                        not successful.

                        Chito


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                      • Eben Ramos
                        Chito S. Ortiz writes: elr: maayo ni ibala si jclark ngadto sa RITECC7, chit =) . labi na ron nga nagpakita ug interest si presidential adviser for central
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                          Chito S. Ortiz writes:

                          elr: maayo ni ibala si jclark ngadto sa RITECC7, chit =) . labi na ron nga
                          nagpakita ug interest si presidential adviser for central visayas oppus
                          about OSS for government line agencies in CV. busy lang kaayo ni'ng tawhana
                          (jclark).
                          =======

                          Hi,

                          Unfortunately, I can't be at Zen on Tuesday. However, the OpenMinds_ph
                          people will be there in full force and I'm sure the presscon will be a
                          success.

                          I hope that Dom Cimafranca will be at Thrusday's meeting too. We've
                          both agreed that there is a need to start something on OSS in Cebu and
                          Region VII. I think that what we need to do is be more active with
                          ce-gnu-lug or even the COSI. No need to create another org for this.

                          Whaddaya say JC? When do we meet?

                          Chito



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                        • ryan@rentec.com
                          ... I agree with you John, that has been the biggest problem for us .... we have so many groups and ACRONYMS scattered all over the place. It seems that
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                            On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, John Naldoza wrote:

                            > Hey Guys,
                            >
                            >
                            > Just checked my e-mail and a few other lists...  Looks like some pretty
                            > interesting weeks and months await all of us, as we enter the stage of
                            > who gets the dough and doughnut.
                            >
                            > There is one thing M$ has that we don't.  They have a _UNITED_ voice.  A
                            > solid one.  We don't.  Most of us still have the short-sided minds, we
                            > break ourselves down to SO MANY groups, we can't count which is which
                            > anymore!  United we stand and divided we fall.  Plain and simple.

                            I agree with you John, that has been the biggest problem for us .... we
                            have so many groups and ACRONYMS scattered all over the place. It seems
                            that everybody wants to start a new group everytime something comes up.
                            And thats spreading us thinner ...

                            >
                            > IF we fail to achieve unity ( a pretty tall order, considering our
                            > history and our geography ), then half the battle is already lost.  But
                            > we put forth our faith on guerilla tactics and hope these would be more
                            > effective that a large-scale frontal assualt :)
                            >
                            > In other words, how shall we go about this?
                            >
                            > a.) Meet up with the other leaders (via net meeting or something) and
                            > just feel our way through.

                            or maybe a lighter version in terms of bandwidth consumption. Let's say a
                            yahoo/msn/jabber or maybe an IRC channel :) Just some way to communicate
                            in real time.

                            >
                            > b.) Continue with what we are doing and just try to convert organizations
                            > from within :D
                            >
                            > With M$ throwing it's weight all over the place and our economy being so
                            > close to shit as it can be, I believe the time is ripe to choose Option
                            > (a) and give proprietary software vendors something to think about... :)
                            >
                            > So who's with me?  ==> damn, everyone's so quite...  oh well, maybe
                            > they're asleep :) <==
                            >

                            I'm with you, just let me know when ... where would be a bit problem but
                            if it can be done virtually then am all out for it :) I hope we could come
                            up with something pretty soon, even small stuff at least for a start.

                            ^yan

                            ---
                            Ryan Go
                            mailto: <ryan at rentec dot com>
                            631-444-7105
                          • Chito S. Ortiz
                            If the interest will go beyond talk we d be home free! However, I doubt very much if anything can come out of it. I d also look at capability to deliver, if
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                              If the interest will go beyond talk we'd be home free! However, I doubt
                              very much if anything can come out of it. I'd also look at capability
                              to deliver, if you know what I mean.

                              Chito



                              On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 23:13, Eben Ramos wrote:
                              > Chito S. Ortiz writes:
                              >
                              > elr: maayo ni ibala si jclark ngadto sa RITECC7, chit =) . labi na ron nga
                              > nagpakita ug interest si presidential adviser for central visayas oppus
                              > about OSS for government line agencies in CV. busy lang kaayo ni'ng tawhana
                              > (jclark).
                              > =======
                              >
                              > Hi,
                              >
                              > Unfortunately, I can't be at Zen on Tuesday. However, the OpenMinds_ph
                              > people will be there in full force and I'm sure the presscon will be a
                              > success.
                              >
                              > I hope that Dom Cimafranca will be at Thrusday's meeting too. We've
                              > both agreed that there is a need to start something on OSS in Cebu and
                              > Region VII. I think that what we need to do is be more active with
                              > ce-gnu-lug or even the COSI. No need to create another org for this.
                              >
                              > Whaddaya say JC? When do we meet?
                              >
                              > Chito
                              >
                              >
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                            • Chito S. Ortiz
                              I agree that we need to consolidate. The Manila guys are doing this through the OpenMinds_ph consortium. I think that the idea of a consortium will be good
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                                I agree that we need to consolidate. The Manila guys are doing this
                                through the OpenMinds_ph consortium. I think that the idea of a
                                consortium will be good for the cause. A consortium will provide a
                                venue where all the alphabet soup groups can all join up and still not
                                loose it's identity. We just have to agree to support the consortium
                                100%

                                Although a virtual meeting will serve our purpose, there's nothing like
                                an eyeball meeting to get attention from the sectors that matter. A few
                                reporters covering the proceedings won't hurt either no?

                                Chito



                                On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 01:17, ryan@... wrote:
                                > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, John Naldoza wrote:
                                >
                                > > Hey Guys,
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Just checked my e-mail and a few other lists... Looks like some pretty
                                > > interesting weeks and months await all of us, as we enter the stage of
                                > > who gets the dough and doughnut.
                                > >
                                > > There is one thing M$ has that we don't. They have a _UNITED_ voice. A
                                > > solid one. We don't. Most of us still have the short-sided minds, we
                                > > break ourselves down to SO MANY groups, we can't count which is which
                                > > anymore! United we stand and divided we fall. Plain and simple.
                                >
                                > I agree with you John, that has been the biggest problem for us .... we
                                > have so many groups and ACRONYMS scattered all over the place. It seems
                                > that everybody wants to start a new group everytime something comes up.
                                > And thats spreading us thinner ...
                                >
                                > >
                                > > IF we fail to achieve unity ( a pretty tall order, considering our
                                > > history and our geography ), then half the battle is already lost. But
                                > > we put forth our faith on guerilla tactics and hope these would be more
                                > > effective that a large-scale frontal assualt :)
                                > >
                                > > In other words, how shall we go about this?
                                > >
                                > > a.) Meet up with the other leaders (via net meeting or something) and
                                > > just feel our way through.
                                >
                                > or maybe a lighter version in terms of bandwidth consumption. Let's say a
                                > yahoo/msn/jabber or maybe an IRC channel :) Just some way to communicate
                                > in real time.
                                >
                                > >
                                > > b.) Continue with what we are doing and just try to convert organizations
                                > > from within :D
                                > >
                                > > With M$ throwing it's weight all over the place and our economy being so
                                > > close to shit as it can be, I believe the time is ripe to choose Option
                                > > (a) and give proprietary software vendors something to think about... :)
                                > >
                                > > So who's with me? ==> damn, everyone's so quite... oh well, maybe
                                > > they're asleep :) <==
                                > >
                                >
                                > I'm with you, just let me know when ... where would be a bit problem but
                                > if it can be done virtually then am all out for it :) I hope we could come
                                > up with something pretty soon, even small stuff at least for a start.
                                >
                                > ^yan
                                >
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                              • Horatio B. Bogbindero
                                ... nice to hear from little john and ryan in quite sometime. ... PLUG uses a chatroom regularly for IRC meetings. it is hosted by the
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                                  Surlignage ryan@...:

                                  > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, John Naldoza wrote:
                                  >
                                  > > Hey Guys,
                                  > >

                                  nice to hear from little john and ryan in quite sometime.

                                  <snipped for brevity>

                                  > >
                                  > > IF we fail to achieve unity ( a pretty tall order, considering our
                                  > > history and our geography ), then half the battle is already lost. But
                                  > > we put forth our faith on guerilla tactics and hope these would be more
                                  > > effective that a large-scale frontal assualt :)
                                  > >
                                  > > In other words, how shall we go about this?
                                  > >
                                  > > a.) Meet up with the other leaders (via net meeting or something) and
                                  > > just feel our way through.
                                  >
                                  > or maybe a lighter version in terms of bandwidth consumption. Let's say a
                                  > yahoo/msn/jabber or maybe an IRC channel :) Just some way to communicate
                                  > in real time.
                                  >
                                  PLUG uses a chatroom regularly for IRC meetings. it is hosted by the free.net.ph
                                  group maintained by jijo sevilla (PLUG member).

                                  the two irc mirrors are:

                                  tlc.free.net.ph
                                  upm.free.net.ph

                                  there are still some others but i do not really know the URLs anymore. hehehe.
                                  people are usually in the #PLUG chatroom. usually people show up in the evening.

                                  > >
                                  > > b.) Continue with what we are doing and just try to convert organizations
                                  > > from within :D
                                  > >
                                  > > With M$ throwing it's weight all over the place and our economy being so
                                  > > close to shit as it can be, I believe the time is ripe to choose Option
                                  > > (a) and give proprietary software vendors something to think about... :)
                                  > >
                                  > > So who's with me? ==> damn, everyone's so quite... oh well, maybe
                                  > > they're asleep :) <==
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > I'm with you, just let me know when ... where would be a bit problem but
                                  > if it can be done virtually then am all out for it :) I hope we could come
                                  > up with something pretty soon, even small stuff at least for a start.
                                  >
                                  i'm with you too!

                                  btw, we have to consider ourselves for the meantime. the problem with
                                  OSS groups is that there are too many ideologies. there is the free software
                                  and free software alone group, there is a open standards hybrid free and
                                  proprietary group and there is the open standards only group.

                                  which group do we fall into? personally, i fall in the middle ... open
                                  standards hybrid free and proprietary group

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                                • Horatio B. Bogbindero
                                  ... sayang another meeting i am going to miss. shucks! well hope you iron out somethings. just remember that OSS is not a magic pill which most people see it
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                                    Surlignage "Chito S. Ortiz" <chito@...>:

                                    > If the interest will go beyond talk we'd be home free! However, I doubt
                                    > very much if anything can come out of it. I'd also look at capability
                                    > to deliver, if you know what I mean.
                                    >
                                    sayang another meeting i am going to miss. shucks! well hope you iron out
                                    somethings. just remember that OSS is not a magic pill which most people
                                    see it as. it is still software and like any software a good support
                                    structure must be in place. will CE-GNU-LUG be able to temporarilty serve
                                    as that support structure until the necessary manpower skills are built?

                                    >
                                    > On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 23:13, Eben Ramos wrote:
                                    > > Chito S. Ortiz writes:
                                    > >
                                    > > elr: maayo ni ibala si jclark ngadto sa RITECC7, chit =) . labi na ron nga
                                    > > nagpakita ug interest si presidential adviser for central visayas oppus
                                    > > about OSS for government line agencies in CV. busy lang kaayo ni'ng tawhana
                                    > > (jclark).
                                    > > =======
                                    > >
                                    > > Hi,
                                    > >
                                    > > Unfortunately, I can't be at Zen on Tuesday. However, the OpenMinds_ph
                                    > > people will be there in full force and I'm sure the presscon will be a
                                    > > success.
                                    > >
                                    > > I hope that Dom Cimafranca will be at Thrusday's meeting too. We've
                                    > > both agreed that there is a need to start something on OSS in Cebu and
                                    > > Region VII. I think that what we need to do is be more active with
                                    > > ce-gnu-lug or even the COSI. No need to create another org for this.
                                    > >
                                    > > Whaddaya say JC? When do we meet?
                                    > >
                                    > > Chito
                                    > >
                                    > >
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                                  • Chito S. Ortiz
                                    Same goes for me too. Open Standards and the best tools for the job no matter if it is proprietary or not. Chito
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                                      Same goes for me too. Open Standards and the best tools for the job no
                                      matter if it is proprietary or not.

                                      Chito



                                      On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 08:54, Horatio B. Bogbindero wrote:
                                      > Surlignage ryan@...:
                                      >
                                      > > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, John Naldoza wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > > Hey Guys,
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > nice to hear from little john and ryan in quite sometime.
                                      >
                                      > <snipped for brevity>
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > IF we fail to achieve unity ( a pretty tall order, considering our
                                      > > > history and our geography ), then half the battle is already lost. But
                                      > > > we put forth our faith on guerilla tactics and hope these would be more
                                      > > > effective that a large-scale frontal assualt :)
                                      > > >
                                      > > > In other words, how shall we go about this?
                                      > > >
                                      > > > a.) Meet up with the other leaders (via net meeting or something) and
                                      > > > just feel our way through.
                                      > >
                                      > > or maybe a lighter version in terms of bandwidth consumption. Let's say a
                                      > > yahoo/msn/jabber or maybe an IRC channel :) Just some way to communicate
                                      > > in real time.
                                      > >
                                      > PLUG uses a chatroom regularly for IRC meetings. it is hosted by the free.net.ph
                                      > group maintained by jijo sevilla (PLUG member).
                                      >
                                      > the two irc mirrors are:
                                      >
                                      > tlc.free.net.ph
                                      > upm.free.net.ph
                                      >
                                      > there are still some others but i do not really know the URLs anymore. hehehe.
                                      > people are usually in the #PLUG chatroom. usually people show up in the evening.
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > b.) Continue with what we are doing and just try to convert organizations
                                      > > > from within :D
                                      > > >
                                      > > > With M$ throwing it's weight all over the place and our economy being so
                                      > > > close to shit as it can be, I believe the time is ripe to choose Option
                                      > > > (a) and give proprietary software vendors something to think about... :)
                                      > > >
                                      > > > So who's with me? ==> damn, everyone's so quite... oh well, maybe
                                      > > > they're asleep :) <==
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > I'm with you, just let me know when ... where would be a bit problem but
                                      > > if it can be done virtually then am all out for it :) I hope we could come
                                      > > up with something pretty soon, even small stuff at least for a start.
                                      > >
                                      > i'm with you too!
                                      >
                                      > btw, we have to consider ourselves for the meantime. the problem with
                                      > OSS groups is that there are too many ideologies. there is the free software
                                      > and free software alone group, there is a open standards hybrid free and
                                      > proprietary group and there is the open standards only group.
                                      >
                                      > which group do we fall into? personally, i fall in the middle ... open
                                      > standards hybrid free and proprietary group
                                      >
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                                      > Ateneo Campus Network Group (AteneoCNG)
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                                    • Ryan Go
                                      ... nice hear from you too liam :-) ... [ snipped further...] ... I think we ll try to use one of the chat servers out there like DALnet or Undernet for the
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                                        On Tue, 10 Sep 2002, Horatio B. Bogbindero wrote:

                                        > Surlignage ryan@...:
                                        >
                                        > > On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, John Naldoza wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > Hey Guys,
                                        > > >
                                        >
                                        > nice to hear from little john and ryan in quite sometime.

                                        nice hear from you too 'liam :-)

                                        >
                                        > <snipped for brevity>
                                        >
                                        > > >
                                        [ snipped further...]

                                        > PLUG uses a chatroom regularly for IRC meetings. it is hosted by the free.net.ph
                                        > group maintained by jijo sevilla (PLUG member).
                                        >
                                        > the two irc mirrors are:
                                        >
                                        > tlc.free.net.ph
                                        > upm.free.net.ph
                                        >
                                        > there are still some others but i do not really know the URLs anymore. hehehe.
                                        > people are usually in the #PLUG chatroom. usually people show up in the evening.

                                        I think we'll try to use one of the chat servers out there like DALnet or
                                        Undernet for the initial meeting. At least just for bootstrapping the
                                        whole meeting idea.

                                        I personally think that it would be better for cegnulug to meet and decide
                                        what we really want to do before heading out. It's just that the list has
                                        been pretty quiet the last few weeks / months and I'm kinda concerned that
                                        the people are either too busy to care or just simply lost interest.

                                        [ snip again ...]

                                        > > >
                                        > > I'm with you, just let me know when ... where would be a bit problem but
                                        > > if it can be done virtually then am all out for it :) I hope we could come
                                        > > up with something pretty soon, even small stuff at least for a start.
                                        > >
                                        > i'm with you too!
                                        >
                                        > btw, we have to consider ourselves for the meantime. the problem with
                                        > OSS groups is that there are too many ideologies. there is the free software
                                        > and free software alone group, there is a open standards hybrid free and
                                        > proprietary group and there is the open standards only group.
                                        >
                                        > which group do we fall into? personally, i fall in the middle ... open
                                        > standards hybrid free and proprietary group

                                        The group was created to serve as a linux user group for visayas, cebu
                                        city being the center. At least that's how i remember it :-)

                                        Obviously I can't speak for the group, but I consider myself to be more of
                                        an open standards pro guy.

                                        Cheers,
                                        ^yan

                                        ---
                                        Ryan Go
                                        mailto: <ryan at rentec dot com>
                                        631-444-7105
                                      • Eben Ramos
                                        elr: i think tony oppus is serious this time, chito. he s probably had his ears to the ground and heard the ennormous swelling of support for OSS - and he d
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                                          elr: i think tony oppus is serious this time, chito. he's probably had his
                                          ears to the ground and heard the ennormous swelling of support for OSS - and
                                          he'd like to ride the wave too! =)
                                          ===========

                                          Chito S. Ortiz writes:

                                          If the interest will go beyond talk we'd be home free! However, I doubt
                                          very much if anything can come out of it. I'd also look at capability
                                          to deliver, if you know what I mean.

                                          Chito



                                          On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 23:13, Eben Ramos wrote:
                                          > Chito S. Ortiz writes:
                                          >
                                          > elr: maayo ni ibala si jclark ngadto sa RITECC7, chit =) . labi na ron nga
                                          > nagpakita ug interest si presidential adviser for central visayas oppus
                                          > about OSS for government line agencies in CV. busy lang kaayo ni'ng tawhana
                                          > (jclark).
                                          > =======


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