The ETERNAL nature of Jesus' sacrifice is in the Christian Mass
- Hi Briget,
very nice response I would simply add the eternal nature of Jesus'
sacrifice is in the Christian Mass!
The difference between us, Catholic and non-Catholic is simply thus;
Catholic worship celebrates the eternal nature of Christ's sacrifice
which a non-catholic would readily claim covers our sins in the here
So if you believe as a Christian the sacrifice is eternal for all
sins pray tell why is the nature not also eternal? The smug replies
by afew who post with such words as re-sacrifice and re-crucify etc
need to step outside of their anti-catholic box and apply some grey
Think First my non-catholic brethren
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, bridget alabi
>sacrifice is not complete. We are re-offering it. They are two
> We are not crucifying Christ again. Nor do we say that His
different things. Think about it and you will understand it.
>sacramental expression of the Paschal Mystery i.e. The Crucifixion,
> The Holy Eucharist was instituted at the Last Supper and is a
death and ressurection of Christ. You will remember that when He
broke the bread, He said' This is my Body which will be given up for
you'. And the cup, ' This is the cup of my Blood, the Blood of the
new and everlasting Covenant which will be shed for you and for all
men. DO THIS IN REMEMBERANCE OF ME'.
>Supper and the Passion. And also the reason why we re-offer Christ's
> I am saying all this to show the connection between the Last
sacrifice. It was what Christ wanted, and he commanded us to do so.
The Mass is centred around the celebration of the Holy Eucharist
which is the fulfillment of Christ command at the Last Supper. I know
i have not explained this succinctly like a theologian but i hope you
can see where i coming from.
>complete, it was very complete. We are only re-offering that same
> To summarise, we are not saying that Christ's passion was not
sacrifice to God. We do that at the Holy Mass which is centred around
the Holy Eucharist. The celebration of the Holy Eucharist fulfills
Christ's command to 'do this in rememberance of me'.
>[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of bridget alabi
> yazzix <yazzix@...> wrote:
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:29 PMsouls to escape purgatory
> To: email@example.com
> Subject: Re: Catholic Questions Re: Prayer that will allow 1,000
>form of sacrifice to God for the redemption of souls. At Mass, what
> You have to remember that Jesus' death on Calvary was a
the Priest does is to re- offer that sacrifice in the name of Christ.
>what Paul warned against and pronounced a curse on.
> Yazzix to Bridget that is where the problem starts.. This is
> The sacrifice by Jesus was done once and for all at the cross.That is the foundation of Christianity.
>love. 5 He saved us, not because of the good things we did, but
> Titus 3: 4 But then God our Savior showed us his kindness and
because of his mercy. He washed away our sins and gave us a new life
through the Holy Spirit. 6 He generously poured out the Spirit upon
us because of what Jesus Christ our Savior did. 7 He declared us not
guilty because of his great kindness. And now we know that we will
inherit eternal life.
>priesthood...' We participate in this offering by uniting ourselves
> But dont forget also that we are also a ' holy race, a royal
to Christ. That is why the priest says at Mass 'Pray brethren, that
our sacrifice may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father'. We
offer Christ's sacrifice over and over again. And the redemption of
souls whether those in Purgatory or on earth was the reason for
Christ's Passion in the first place.
>s sacrifice. And as Catholics, we share the communion of Saints. We
> All the Masses all over the world is a continuation of Christ'
have a share in every Mass that is going on all over the world even
if we are not physically present. At each Mass, all the members of
the Church is prayed for and we can always unite ourselves to these
Masses. Each Mass transcends time and space, after all, Christ's
sacrifice took place in Jerusalem over 2000 years ago It is a great
gift but we have to know we have to benefit from it. That is why we
can offer all the Masses all over the world for any intention
including the salvation of souls in Purgatory.
>of grace. The only reason why they are not in Heaven is that they are
> The Souls in Purgatory are holy because they are in the state
guilty of venial sins or they have not repaid the debt they owe God.
By debt, I mean reparation for sins. Even after we have been
forgiven, we have to make reparation for our sins. This may come in
form of penance, indulgences, prayers, good works etc. Venial sins do
not remove God's grace and presence from us, only mortal sins do.
However, nothing unclean shall enter Heaven. That is the explanation
for Purgatory and the souls there are holy but not perfect.
>prayers can reduce the period of time they spend there. I do not know
> The reason why we pray for the souls in Purgatory is that our
how time works there but i suppose its just like here on earth. The
higher the number of people who pray for an intention, the better.
Thats why we ask people to pray for us. The souls in Purgatory will
get to Heaven whether we pray for them or not but it will be a lot
easier and effective if we join them. This is possible because of the
Communion of Saints we share.
>your home, in the Church and really everywhere!
> I should think that sinners everywhere encompasses those in
>not obliged to accept private revelations. It does not make you a bad
> You dont have to believe this revelation if you want. We are
> in52330 <in52330@...> wrote:
> This is a brief little prayer, and I would love to spend
> all my time in saying this prayer, if that would save
> souls - even 1 against the promised 1000.
> However, I am very particular that my prayer to my Father
> must be consistent and meaningful. I have some doubts.
> Please be kind to clarify.
> 1. Jesus has shed his precious blood as a ransom for the
> redemption of the mankind from the dominion of the sin.
> How can I once again offer the same blood to the Father for
> some other purpose? It is the blood of Jesus; Not mine;
> On what authority do I offer HIS blood to the father?
> Can I offer your blood to someone according to my choice?
> 2. How can I claim unity with the masses said throughout
> the world when I know that these masses are already said
> for a specific intention,and mostly they are paid for, by
> someone and in all sincerity, i have no part or claim
> whatsoever in them?
> 3. If the souls in the purgatory are "Holy", why are they
> there in the first place? Is God waiting for someone to grease his
> palms through this kind of gratification to release them from the
> 4. Does not the sinners "everywhere" encompass those in
> my home and in the universal church etc?
> 5. The universal church of God comprises children of God,
> it is not made up of sinners.
> I really suspect very much this claim that Jesus gave
> this inconsistent prayer to the saint.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Phil" <cardiopr@> wrote:
> > Our Lord said to Saint Gertrude and each time this prayer is said
> > 1,000 souls from purgatory is released. This prayer is important
> > me since one day I might be there and the souls you release willthat
> > intercede for on your behalf before Christ. There is a website
> > is promoting people to say this prayer everyday to emptypurgatory
> > and I hope all of you will join me in this effort. The website isDivine
> > http://www.mtep.com and it tells you more about St. Gertrude and
> > this prayer to the souls in purgatory.
> > Eternal Father I offer Thee, the most precious blood of they
> > Son, Jesus, in union with the Masses said throughout the worldeverywhere,
> > today, for al the holy souls in purgatory, for sinners
> > for sinners in the universal church, those in my own home, andsimplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine
> > within my family. Amen.
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Your correction helps. Thank you. Indifference is the deadly enemy.
--- In email@example.com, the_spacemouse <no_reply@...> wrote:
> Ooops. I wrote:
> > There is a danger of ecumenism leading to nominalism, or even to
> > relativism,
> I meant "minimalism," not nominalism. And I think by relativism,
> what I'm really getting at is "indifference": the (false) belief
> that doctrinal disagreements don't matter at all. Ecumenism can be
> truly mutual without necessarily leading to indifference.
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, the_spacemouse
> no_reply@ wrote:
> > --- In email@example.com, the_saints_are_catholic
> > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The Catholic understanding on "ecumenism" is one of education
> > > instruction. Catholic ecumenism seeks to correct the age old
> > errors,
> > > slanderous claims and accusations labelled upon the Church by
> > > catholics or the ignorant who never had the opportunity of a
> > truthful
> > > education on Catholicism.
> > >
> > I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. This is an inadequate
> > of ecumenism, in that it is all one-sided. You make it sound as if
> > Protestants are the only ones who have misconceptions, and as if
> > Catholics have never spread slanders about other religious groups.
> > This isn't true.
> > I agree that ecumenism should not be about compromising vital
> > doctrines, but I think it means more than simply Catholics
> > other Christians about the truth. I think that you must not have
> > read very many ecumenical works, if that's your opinion, because
> > seem to be confusing ecumenism with apologetics. (Of course, if
> > are involved in ecumenism, feel free to share.) Apologetic
> > sharing the truth of the Catholic faith in a way that makes it
> > understandable to people who had misconceptions about it.
> > Ecumenism, however, is more than education. It is a two-way
> > in which both parties put their own concerns, their beliefs, and
> > their
> > definitions on the table. Then the groups together try to sort out
> > where they agree and where they disagree. This may involve making
> > clear distatements about disagreements, saying "We say this, but
> > say this, and we realize that we differ here. We see no way around
> > this without compromising our principles." However, it often turns
> > out that some beliefs really aren't as a far apart as they seemed.
> > As Jimmy Akin (an apologist, not even an ecumenist!) points out in
> > _The Salvation Controversy_, there are many differences between
> > religious groups which come down to semantics. Catholics and
> > Protestants speak a different language. We use the same words, but
> > we mean different things. One way ecumenical dialogue can help,
> > then, is in helping us to uncover what our words mean to us, to
> > separated brethern. In theory (not necessarily in practice)
> > ecumenical dialogue could help provide a new "dialect" that
> > describes shared belief in ways amenable to both parties. This
> > of ecumenism, in other words, could involve
> > actual compromise, but it is not compromise in the content of
> > belief. Rather, it is compromise in the terms being used. The
> > Lutheran- Catholic Joint Declaration on Justification is a good
> > example of such dialogues.
> > There is a danger of ecumenism leading to nominalism, or even to
> > relativism, but it doesn't have to, especially where both parties
> > are solidly committed to the truth. The real danger in ecumenism
> > that I see is that "Joe Catholic" and "Joe Baptist" go about their
> > daily lives attacking each other, blissfully unaware that their
> > leaders are actually having an amicable conversation.
> > In other words, the problem with ecumenism from a Catholic
> > perspective is that most Catholics don't know anything about it.
> > has unfortunately been associated with liberal Christianity, and
> > work being done by serious, orthodox Christians goes unnoticed.
> > Ecumenism today is a far cry from what it was in the '70s!